I always had these views that doping can no way help you to be a good cricketer. People have there views , everyone thinks it’s something bad. The question here is who is to be blamed, Players or team management.
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Don bhai.. apun ka bad luck hi kharab haiy.. wohi haiy culprit :)
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Lets wait for tribunal to investigate. Once their findings are out, only than we will be knowing who is the culprit. As far as I am concerned, I will still give benefit of the doubt to Shoaib and Asif.
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Regretfuly I see this thread as an emotional outburst. Although nothing wrong with it, but you must not attribute contraband drug taking or dope testing to cricket only. On the contrary 'Dope influence & testing' is relatively brand new to cricket and still un-regulated as I write these lines.
Recently there have been talks about it and most likely WC will see a regulated memo to all Board member nations by ICC.
Rememebr, Dope influence and testing has been around in other sport events for many many years now, and they are still not sure if an extra strength Asprin can modulate blood levels indicating presence of contraband string.
:)
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No this is no emotional outburst and secondly i am not a Pakistani. I am only a cricket follower / fan, who think doping is of no use in cricket. when you consider athletics there you see it obviously works in your favour.
If you have any rules in that regards i think physio / trainer should be banned and not the cricketers.
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I knew it already and I never said you were!
Other points well taken :)
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The drug tests scandal
Was the substance abuse intentional?
Osman Samiuddin
October 17, 2006
It’s not funny anymore. There’s not been any lack of sniping and sniggering at Pakistan’s propensity for chaos over the last couple of months. Two captaincy switches in two days and one change of administrative head? That was just our unique three-day preparation camp for the Champions Trophy. Ball tampering crisis? That’s old hat my friend. First-ever forfeiture of a Test match? Well, I mean, someone had to be a pioneer.
But yesterday, all the drama, the farce and the crap of the last two months tunneled into pure tragedy. Now lie in possible ruins the careers of two men; if there can ever be a sustained peak to something as disturbed and interrupted as Shoaib Akhtar’s career, arguably it was now. And it isn’t often that so little doubt exists, globally, about the magnificent prospects of as fresh a fast bowler as Mohammad Asif. In not knowing what will happen to them now, there is genuine sorrow.
Until and unless both protest, or the PCB drugs tribunal comes to a definitive conclusion, it is difficult to say much. Certainly, the case against both appears solid. Both have bulked up their bodies, very publicly, in recent times though it must be stressed that both are devoted gym-goers. Both have also been rehabilitating from injuries and the one thing even all non-medicos know about Nandrolone now is that it builds muscle and can aid recovery from injury.
**In particular, around Shoaib there is also circumstantial evidence, a gentle breeze of rumour from the last six months. Some hacks and ex-cricketers now claim suspicion has lurked for the last two years. Shaharyar Khan, freshly ex-ed as chairman PCB, confirmed to an Indian news channel that Shoaib was a worry for them with regards to doping for some time. Now here’s something; an ex-chairman of Pakistan cricket believes that a star player may have been pushing the legalities of medicinal use yet chooses to do nothing about it until the dying days of his regime. If it damns Shoaib, it damns Shaharyar’s own administration many times over. **
Shaharyar’s inaction is emblematic of the culpability of the PCB as a generic organization. Rather than smugly patting their own back for having, in effect, acted with delayed alacrity (if Shaharyar as chairman suspected something, why the delay in action?), they should examine their own roles. One official claimed yesterday that information is regularly provided to players and booklets are handed out. Is it enough? Given that Pakistani players struggle with even the rules of the game they play - case in point, Inzamam-ul-Haq - it most certainly isn’t. The onus, in fact, is on the board to make sure their players do not only receive information but comprehend its implications, as appears apparent in the policies followed by boards in Australia and Sri Lanka for instance.
Ultimately, it doesn’t stretch the bounds of logic to assume that dietary control, training regimes, fitness maintenance and particularly the rehabilitation of a player from injury is as much the responsibility of the board as it is of the player. Younis Khan alluded to as much in his press conference yesterday. Admittedly some players, like Shoaib, pose more difficult questions than others. By choosing his own personal doctors in the past and consulting them regularly, he chipped away at the board’s role in such affairs. And realistically, if reluctantly, it has to be acknowledged that if a player wants to mess around, there is little the board can do to stop him, save carrying out regular dope tests to find him out.
For the tribunal is now left with the question of intent. Did either player knowingly use the substance or were they unaware that they had been administered it? Medical research and theory suggests that the latter scenario might still be possible to prove. If not, then for a game so at odds with much of international sport, this heralds an unfortunate entry into current sporting ethos, where drug misuse is reality.
The pressure of modern-day sports, on athletes, cyclists, boxers, weightlifters, gymnasts, footballers, has been enough in the past to nudge them to substance abuse; cricket has survived it by and large thus far and it may yet do but it is unlikely to be completely immune to it. In a very twisted way, it is almost reassuring to see the ills of modern sport present in cricket as well. It further chips away at the game’s pomposity, humanizes it even. Above all, it now alerts cricket’s authorities to be better prepared for the future. But looked at in any other way, it is a tragedy, nothing less.
Osman Samiuddin is Pakistan editor of Cricinfo
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Source: http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/iccct2006/content/current/story/263491.html
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October 16, 2006
Posted by Kamran Abbasi at 1:41 PM in Drugs in sport
A bad board blames its players
A** PCB official has told Cricinfo that the players are reponsible for this situation and were given a booklet explaining what is legal and what is illegal. **This game of passing the buck is deplorable and offers a wonderful insight into why the PCB stumbles from one disaster to another.
Even the most highly educated individuals fail to absorb the majority of information delivered to them in seminars and booklets. Few people could tell you every ingredient in what they have eaten. Few patients have a good idea of the drugs they are being administered.
Asif and Shoaib might be utterly to blame but then again they might not and Shoaib has already protested his innocence.
This premature damnation from the PCB is embarrassing and it contrasts sharply with the message that Younis Khan and Bob Woolmer are sending out that the players, management, and administration must accept collective responsibility. The PCB should hold its tongue until it has got to the bottom of this sorry affair, an affair that has done much more damage to Pakistan cricket and the team’s chances of winning the World Cup than the previous two disasters.
Source: http://blogs.cricinfo.com/pakspin/archives/2006/10/a_bad_board_blames_its_players.php