**ISI = Indian spanking institute **
ROTFL!!! 
With seven lines of defence lined up since Dec 2001, after that parliament drama, the Pak Army made a formidable defence, and prevented those cowards from launching the attack, despite this rvikz guy here justifying an attack at that time, haha I guess they were busy with their own Muslim killing sprees?
From your source : -
According to the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies, India has 1,303,000 people in its armed forces, plus 535,000 reservists. Pakistan, meanwhile, has about 612,000 troops and 513,000 reservists.
That makes India with 1838,000 people(not necessarily all troops and incl. reservists) vs. 1125,000 Pakistani troops (including reservists), roughly India having a little more than 1-1/5 times Pak’s troops, but then you also have to take into consideration a very long border it shares with China, Bangladesh and a host of other nations, which requires armed presence and in fact quite a presence in many sectors apart from Pakistan. So practically India and Pakistan are at par as far as numbers are concerned. That leaves Pakistan with advantage of quality (as you say). With such great quality, why Pakistan army never shows up in uniform when it comes to real fighting (like we saw in Kargil too, the Pak army regulars were all wearing mujahideen shalwar kameez and not their uniforms. !! 
The second link says this :
Despite having a numerical disadvantage, Pakistan has a qualitative edge in many equipment holdings - which is subjective and keeps changing/tilting with India/Pakistan acquiring new equipments/arms/etc.
And the third link you gave, the last line says it all why it says Pakistan is better in quality.
Communist Workers’ and Peasants’ Party, Pakistan.
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That leaves Pakistan with advantage of quality (as you say).
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cough cough
Not him but Experts
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With such great quality, why Pakistan army never shows up in uniform when it comes to real fighting (like we saw in Kargil too, the Pak army regulars were all wearing mujahideen shalwar kameez and not their uniforms. !! :D
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Dhir,
Who was leading Mujhs wearing Shalwar Kameez in Kargil? ;)
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*cough cough
Not him but Experts
Dhir,
Who was leading Mujhs wearing Shalwar Kameez? ;)
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Unsubstantiated experts. There are many such experts who believe that Pakistan has become a terrorist hub. Till named, I see no reason to believe such experts.
And reg. your second question, Musharraf was leading Mujhs (oops or was it your regulars in Shalwar Kameez), from his office in Islamabad showing us the quality of Pakistan army.
Sure
What has war gotta do with the Terrorism, eh?
Did you believe India pulling her troops off from the border?
Look,
Whether a person in shalwar kameez or in Army Uniform, question still remains…where the heck is your decisive battle? Oh I see, didn’t Advani and Vajpayee used in Gujarat Election? 
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Unsubstantiated experts. There are many such experts who believe that Pakistan has become a terrorist hub. Till named, I see no reason to believe such experts.
And reg. your second question, Musharraf was leading Mujhs (oops or was it your regulars in Shalwar Kameez), from his office in Islamabad showing us the quality of Pakistan army.
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yeah like those experts running the american intelligence site that said pakistan was going to be bombed ;)
why there is a need for decisive battle when kashmir is still ours?
But as far as i remember decisive battle ultimatem was not issued because Kashmir was occupied by Pakistan it was occupied by India before too but Vajpiee used that dialog of decisive battle because they were of the openion that Pakistan was doing cross border terrorism. Go read your news papers you Hawkish ministers are still complaining/saying that Pakistan is doing cross border terrorism so nothing changed but the plan of “decisive battle”
Its about time that you guys realize that all of the drama or Army mobilization and decisive battle was because of elections in kashmir so basically you have to add the cost of army movement in kashmit election’s cost too. Jo raha saha khatra tha wo Pakistan kee nuclear capability nay khatam ker deya tha.
I THINK PAKISTANI ARMY
pak army rocks!!!
common sense dictates that the winning side is better than the losing side. In wars, SURRENDER is considered losing. pakistan surrendered to India. Therefore it follows quite simply that pakistan is the loser.
however with all the url's proudly posted here, it is hard to ignore the 'quality' of the pakistani military.
given both above common sense again dictates the conclusion that pakistani military is indeed a high quality loser.
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*Originally posted by Jagjeevan: *
common sense dictates that the winning side is better than the losing side. In wars, SURRENDER is considered losing. pakistan surrendered to India. Therefore it follows quite simply that pakistan is the loser.
however with all the url's proudly posted here, it is hard to ignore the 'quality' of the pakistani military.
given both above common sense again dictates the conclusion that pakistani military is indeed a high quality loser.
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WRONG!!
winning side isnt always better!
I suspected that this comparison was going to be made sooner or later. Lets review what happened in every India-Pak war:
1948: Pashtun tribesmen invade Kashmir, within striking distance of SriNager, pushed back by the Indian military, which was highly superior to Pakistan's rudimentary force. The infantile Pakistan army drawing Muslims from the Indian Army along with Azad Kashmiri battalions hit back in Neelum Valley. Gilgitis and others take Skardu and Northern Areas. We have now created Azad Kashmir & N. Areas.
1965: Successfully knock out Indian interlopers in Rann of Kutch/Sir Creek sector..forcing Indians to the arbritration table where the decision is in favoor of Pakistan..levaing a bitter taste in Indian minds.
Operation Grand Slam in Held Kashmir, major breakthroughs in Poonch, Uri sectors, hitting Akhnur. Indian leadership feels threatened, opens up International border offensives in Punjab..Closing in on Lahore. Major Aziz Bhatti Shaheed and the Punjab 5 regiment move ahead to defend BRB. Indians turn away. Indians capture strategically useless parts of Pakistan while Paks. capture valuable positions in Kashmir, Indian Punjab. Overall Pakistan displays a gallant defense of the fatherland. PAF absolutely smashes IAF in battle.
1971: Facing rebellion in E. Pakistan, Indians resort to chankya tactics of invading under "refugee" pretenses. Pak. military facing both an internal insurrection and and external aggression loses. In absolutely no way was that war winnable under the circumstances. Pakistan foolishly opens up the western front. Manages breakthrough in Kashmir again, while holding the defenses in the other sectors. Only bright spot in the so called "brave" Indian Armed forces history.
Do you believe Kargil was a war? If so, that shows the lack of ability on the Indian Armed forces to remove the infiltrators. Until our sellout PM ran to Washington, our Mujahids were doing pretty well.
If you want to compare Armed forces, lets compare India to China, shall we? What? too embarrassed to bring up the ugly episode of 1962? Both India and China are comparable in terms of population, military, economy, etc.
This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from Ayub Khan:
"The hundred million Pakistanis whose hearts beat with the sound of 'None except Allah is worthy of obeisance' will not rest until the Indian guns are silenced for ever." Nothing has changed since...
still whatever you say we got 90,000 of pakistani army that is 1/4
of total. how come none of the great army thinker of pakistan
could not predict or warned of that possibilty?
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Unsubstantiated experts. There are many such experts who believe that Pakistan has become a terrorist hub. Till named, I see no reason to believe such experts.
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Can you show me a single URL about the same, which somehow not a baby site of these countries (USA, India and Isreal). Oh Yeah!!! That also includes Inda's former God Father. Thanks
*If you can't then better take both the PS2 wires out from your PC *
:D
79,000 of them India released it when Simla Agreement signed(Broke by India) and now 11,000 of them are living illegally in India.
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still whatever you say we got 90,000 of pakistani army that is 1/4
of total. how come none of the great army thinker of pakistan
could not predict or warned of that possibilty?
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Because the leadership was decrepit. Rvikz, your an intelligent individual who knows enough about Pakistani history. I'm pretty sure that you know that Yayha Khan was a womenizing drunkard, who came into power accidentally. ZAB was a deceitful, manipulative politician who couldnt let Shekh Mujib come to power, eventhough Awami league had been solid in victory. The Army leadership was no less corrupt, with Tikka Khan, Niazi, Rahim Khan all intending to secure their holds on power. I'm sure that they knew of the possibility but I'm talking about the average soldier, the majority of the military,
Like I said before, '71 was the only time you Indians can say anything. Just realize that your nation was one of the wolves in the pack attacking Pakistan. Without Mukti Bahini, and the people of Bengal on your side, Pakistanis wouldve given you the Kashmir treatment.
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WRONG!!
winning side isnt always better!
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Bilal, how can I argue with this admission?
you said what other pakistan boosters here are struggling to say...succinct. this must have been the motto and mantra in the pakistani military. that'd explain a lot.
no they don’t. they may be perfectly good people and may even be ‘high quality’ as some of you have been lately prone to proclaim, but considering the causes they have been directed to work at (training and supporting the c.b.ts, assisting fbi to hunt their own erstwhile comrades etc.), stoned might be more apropo. poor souls.