Who is Abu Jundal?

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These days the Indians have arrested a guy called Abu Jindal who they blame as LET facilitator. Whats this issue all about? Was he deported from Saudia? And why did they hand him over to India? Is there any link between him and ISI or stories fabricated by India?

Baseless allegations dent Pak-India ties: Malik | DAWN.COM

Pak ridicules Jundal 26/11 claims, deny ISI link | Firstpost

Pakistan Interior Ministry chief Rehman Malik today told India to give Pakistan the investigation report in the case of Syed Zabiuddin Ansari alias Abu Jundal before making allegations that state actors from Pakistan were involved in the November 2008 terror strikes in Mumbai.

**“”Zabiuddin is Indian, he was caught in India, he did everything in India. Why are you blaming Pakistan? He is your citizen. That means your agencies failed to control their citizen. Please have a look at your system as well”,” Malik told a press conference today.
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**Pointing out that Indian authorities had a history of making allegations about Pakistan in the case of most terror attacks, Malik pointed out the cases of the Samjhauta train blast in 2007, a explosion in Malegaon in Maharashtra and other attacks which were discovered to be the work of Hindu extremists despite early allegations that they were perpetrated by Pakistan.
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**Malik also pointed out that India had never apologized for erroneously blaming Pakistani elements for being involved in the attacks.
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He also claimed that Hindu extremism had been spreading rapidly in India and he wished Indian law enforcement agencies all the best in dealing with it.
Malik said that the Pakistani authorities would like to get the custody of Indian army official Lt Colonel Prasad Purohit for his alleged involvement in the 2007 Samjhauta train blast case.

He also dismissed allegations of the Pakistani intelligence agency Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) was involved in aiding the non-state actors who had participated in the terror strikes in India

“We are proud of our ISI. It is defending our country and is giving information to the country and outside the country…ISI is the best and they are working for the country. All those hostile agencies in the world will try to bring down the ISI,” he said.

Saying that he greatly respected the views of Indian Home Minister P Chidambaram, Malik said that Pakistani authorities would need to see the investigation report in the case of Zabiuddin.

“Please send us the details and we will send the details back,” Malik said.

He said that they had found no evidence to prove Indian investigators claims that Zabiuddin had entered Pakistan for training or to help orchestrate the terror strikes in India.

“He has never entered Pakistan through frequent routes. He has travelled through the border, he has used infrequent routes,” Malik said.

He also said there was no evidence of two other accused in the 2008 attacks of Mumbai, Faheem Ansari and Sabauddin Ahmed, crossing the border for training in how to use weapons at camps run by terror groups.

“What is his (Zabiuddin) exact role with Sabauddin and Faheem Ansari should be told to us,” he said.

“If the three people can come to Pakistan they can mix up with the people here. They can generate the resources and then they go back and the Mumbai (attacks) happen. So any reasonable investigator will be forced to think,” the minister said.

Malik said that Pakistan had been aiding India in its battle against terrorism in the past.

“Let us finish the blame game. let us fight terrorism with cooperation,” he said.

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Abu Jindal/Jundal was one of the guys whose conversation got recorded with terrorists during mumbai attacks. One of the handlers introducing him to terrorists on phone as Ab Jindal bhai is baat karo… Abu Jindal is a pseudonym and on of the many names of Syed Zaibuddin. He is native of Beed District in Maharashtra. Apart from Indian passport, he has Pakistani passport. He moved to Saudi from Pakistan recently on a Pakistani passport as a teacher or rather to recruit Indians for “Jihad” from Pakistan. He is wanted in India for many years. His presence in Saudi was provided by one of the arrested terrorists in India.

India contacted Saudi intellignece and provided DNA samples from his familiy to confirm he is Indian citizen with Pakistani passport and is a wanted terrorist. Only after confirming with all evidence, matching the DNA provided, the voice samples recorded during the mumbai attacks, Saudis flew him back to India. He was taken into custody at New Delhi internationl airport.

Now he is spilling the beans, about LET’s and ISI’s deeprooted links in the attacks. Kasab was just a foot soldier, it was one of these people that India needs to solve the case.

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We will see what comes out from this, but Pakistan needs to spill the beans as well. How did this guy obtain Pakistani passport and why didnt they want him to be deported to India? And finally why did Saudia prefer to send him to India instead of keeping him in their custody despite Pakistani insistence?

There are many questions regarding this issue.

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Saudis I knew it!

They get away with everything… 9/11… Mumbia… everything! :nono:

Lekin hamesha Pakistan ke naam par dhabha hotha hain…

Zaleel house of Saud

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So when is Baal thackeray becoming the next Osama bin Laden? :hmmm:

Jundal arrest: Marathwada becoming ‘Pakistan’, says Thackeray - Hindustan Times

Marathwada region, from where the arrested LeT handler of 26/11 Mumbai terrorist attack, Abu Jundal hails, is fast becoming the “new Pakistan”, Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray said on Wednesday.

“Marathwada, which was earlier known as the land of saints, is now becoming the land of terrorists,” the Sena patriarch said in an editorial in party mouthpiece ‘Saamana’.

In the last five-six years, the connection of any terrorist act anywhere in the country reaches Marathwada, which has become a recruitment centre of terrorists, only due to the lackadaisical functioning of the government and the home department, he claimed.

Be it the Ghatkopar blasts, German Bakery blast, Gujarat blast, the terrorists involved belonged to Marathwada, Thackeray said. “The new Pakistan that is emerging in Marathwada is dangerous not only for Maharashtra but for the country.”

The Sena chief also wondered what the Mumbai Police was doing to counter the threats. “What does the intelligence department of police do, is a puzzle…,” he remarked.

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Well said

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We have to see this activity in perspective, the case is now being built up against the ISI and Pakistan Army and Saudia has played its part in that.

Abu Jundal: New Delhi must change as Islamabad will never! » Indian Defence Review

Prima facie it appears that Abu Jundal and Abu Hamza are assumed names of an Indian citizen, Syed Zabuddin Ansari.

Lashkar-e-Toiba normally provides such assumed identities to its operators. The same assumed name given may be allotted to different operators in different periods of history again and again. Therefore, the Indian agencies will have to establish whether this Abu Hamza is the same one they are looking for.

**This is of significance as the Pakistan authorities on 12 February, 2009 had arrested a jihadi called Abu Hamza. The question that arises is whether the Pakistan authorities were instrumental in releasing this terrorist and enabled him to settle-down in and operate from Saudi Arabia?
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**Sequel to this question is the fact that how could Abu Hamza operate for so many years from Saudi Arabia and was subsequently deported with the help of Saudi intelligence to India only in 2012 and not earlier?
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**Was the patronage of the Saudi intelligence withdrawn under pressure of the United States?
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**If we assume as per the circumstantial evidence published so far that Abu Jindal is indeed Indian citizen Syed Zabuddin Ansari, then two aspects become very clear.
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**First, that Pakistan Army and ISI continue to be involved in inimical activities against India, and Saudi Arabia is complicit in Islamabad’s crusade against New Delhi. The second aspect of deporting Abu Jundal subsequently by Saudi Intelligence shows that the Western intelligence agencies led primarily by America are responsible for pressurizing the Saudis to handover perpetrators of 26/11 to India.
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The role of Indian Intelligence and Delhi Police appears to be limited to the extent that they were kept in the loop.

**The primary reason for the Americans to help bring to book perpetrators of 26/11 are based on the deterioration of their relationship with Pakistan after the killing of Osama bin Laden in Abottabad, as also the fact that the American citizens were also killed in Mumbai.
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This was made amply clear by the US State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland, when she said: “We have a strong interest, as we’ve said, since the day of the attack in the arrest, prosecution, and conviction of all those responsible for the 2008 Mumbai attack because our own citizens were among the victims.”

**There is a definite swing against Pakistan and its activities of export of terrorism in Washington after General Kayani refused to open up the supply lines for the American and NATO forces (reinforcements) from Karachi port to Kabul.
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**The outcome of this fall out in America is to favour, equip, and help India under the new circumstances to stand up to the challenges posed by extreme regimes like both Pakistan and China.
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**It is therefore in New Delhi’s interest to take advantage of the favourable international climate to cause destruction of terrorist modules and organizations within and outside the country through covert actions.
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**Simultaneously, India must covertly aggravate dissentions within Pakistan to raise the cost of terrorism and terrorist camps being run on our borders in POK with the help of Pakistan Army. This will also enable India in the long run to enlarge its footprints to assist Afghanistan attain stability.
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The capture of Abu Jundal should remind those Indians who propagate that Siachen should be demilitarized or Kashmir Valley be provided a ‘Special Status’ under the garb of autonomy that neither Pakistan Army nor ISI have given up their agenda to destabilize India.

With clear evidence offered by Abu Jundal that Hafiz Sayeed, and ISI officers were directing the operations on 26/11 from Karachi once again shows the helplessness of Indian State to fight terrorism decisively despite the mounting evidence.

It is wishful thinking by the Prime Minister of India and many in the strategic community that Pakistan Army will ever give up export of terrorism or fake Indian currency.

Islamabad will continue to use every trick to destabilize the Union of India.

However, as the Pakistan Army and its intelligence agency (ISI) are overstretched between the Indian and Afghanistan borders, busy dousing the fires of extremism lit (by them) within the state of Pakistan, and the American pressure and denial of aid that disrupts Pakistan economy, they pretend to offer olive branch of peace to India as a well thought out temporary tactical retreat to gain time.

New Delhi therefore should learn to benefit from the international climate.

It should be clear to the Home Minister of India by now that Pakistan will never accept the concrete evidence offered by India to move against the criminals of 26/11 based in Pakistan as they are considered “strategic assets” and nourished by ISI.

The Ministry of Home Affairs appears to be living in a make-believe world.

The Home Minister to retrieve the lost ground, as a first step should send a strong signal by ordering the hanging of ‘Azmal Kasab’ immediately and ensuring that Abu Jundal case is put on fast track through a special court to bring him to justice.

Indian message should be in decisive actions and not by indulgence in rhetoric — we must change our act as Islamabad will never!

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/opinion/america-and-the-two-pakistans.html?_r=1

In the past few years, multiple power centers have begun to emerge slowly in Pakistan, as evidenced again this week with the historically pliant Supreme Court dismissing the Pakistani prime minister, Yousuf Reza Gilani, from office. For much of the country’s history, however, Pakistan’s military and security apparatus has wielded unchallenged domestic clout. Consequently, throughout the six decade-long U.S.-Pakistan relationship, Pakistan’s army has been the principal interlocutor with America, both because of its domestic heft and because military rulers were at the helm in periods when the United States needed Pakistan most.

**Today, Pakistan’s army is seen in the United States — especially in Congress — as an adversary, above all because it resists targeting Afghan militants who take refuge on Pakistani soil. The resentment is so deep that even American conservatives, historically pro-Pakistan, call for a strategy that punishes the country.
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**There are those who would advocate “containment,” a central element of which is boxing in the military by treating presumably more liberal civilians as pre-eminent partners, or even labeling specific members of the military and its spy agency, the ISI, as “terrorists.”
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The premise for these views is correct: that the Pakistani military and intelligence apparatus undermines American interests in Afghanistan and keep civilians from changing Pakistan’s assertive role in Afghanistan — now exercised via the Afghan insurgents fighting U.S. and NATO forces.

**Unfortunately, the proposed remedy is as misplaced as was past support for Pakistan’s military dictators, which came at the cost of the country’s democratic evolution. Those who would force changes by playing a divide-and-rule game grossly exaggerate America’s capacity to influence Pakistani politics.
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**American attempts to actively exploit Pakistan’s civil-military disconnect are likely to end up strengthening right-wing rhetoric in Pakistan, create even more space for security-centric policies, and further alienate the Pakistani people from the United States.
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To begin with, any U.S. conceptualization of Pakistan as two Pakistans — that is, a neat division between civilian and military elites — is false and will not resonate among Pakistanis. It is wrong to assume that a majority of Pakistanis would support a U.S. policy so obviously driven to undercut the military, although there is widespread hope — even within the army — that the Pakistani political system will produce more competent politicians.

**Even though a number of Pakistani mainstream political parties express their desire to curb the army’s power, few want to be seen as inviting a U.S. role to achieve this. For one thing, American trustworthiness is doubted across the political spectrum. Moreover, association with any U.S. effort would set in motion nationalistic forces aiming to discredit the political parties choosing to welcome a U.S. role and galvanize the masses to support an anti-American, pro-nationalist agenda.
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An apt illustration of the sentiment among the civilian political elites was provided by the so-called Memogate scandal, in which a Pakistan ambassador to Washington was accused of eliciting U.S. support to avert a military coup in return for the promise of a number of national security concessions.

Former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who has been the most vocal critic of the military and ISI, petitioned the Pakistani Supreme Court to declare the alleged act treasonous, and the governing Pakistan Peoples Party also pledged that it would never endorse such a quid quo pro with Washington.

**It is simply not true that Pakistani civilians see eye-to-eye with Washington on their country’s national security outlook. Pakistani civilians are as perturbed as the army at the U.S. policy toward Pakistan.
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**The Pakistani military’s response to a two-Pakistans approach would, more than likely, cost the United States the all-important intelligence cooperation needed to tackle global terrorist threats emanating from Pakistan, which are certain to remain well beyond the U.S.-NATO drawdown from Afghanistan.
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Although Pakistan is governed poorly, the current civilian government has begun to squeeze the military’s space internally and the courts are themselves groping for a role compatible with democratic norms even though they cause instability in the short run by decisions like the one to dismiss the country’s prime minister. An American attempt to treat the Pakistani military as an enemy will only provide the institution an opportunity to turn the tables to its advantage. What, then, would be an effective policy?

Washington should view engagement with Islamabad as a long-term project. Pakistan’s nuclear weapons will be around long after Afghanistan is forgotten. As much as possible, America should work directly with the civilian leadership on all issues, including security, and lower the profile of military-to-military meetings.

Washington should also make clear that the United States will not tolerate any extra-constitutional measures by the military that short-circuit the democratic process. Moreover, Washington needs to quietly encourage the spectacular progress in India-Pakistan normalization.

India is what drives Pakistan; America should take advantage of its relationship with New Delhi to allow Pakistan greater space for accelerating its internal political reforms.

We must patiently try to turn Pakistan from an ally that is no friend into a state that seeks normal relations with America and its neighbors. Short cuts are unlikely to work.

Stephen P. Cohen** is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. **Moeed Yusuf *is South Asia adviser at the U.S. Institute of Peace.

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How difficult is that? You pay few thousand rupeeds and you are all set. So many Aghanis, Bengalis have acquired Pakistani passport, I am sure many Yemenis and other Arabs who came to fight Russia have Pakistani passports too.

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No passport is impossible to obtain

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Related

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These comments are typical of Balls Thackray.

Pakistans Interior Minister Rehman Malik has made very immature and childish remarks at this stage “*Zabiuddin is Indian, he was caught in India, he did everything in India. Why are you blaming Pakistan? He is your citizen. That means your agencies failed to control their citizen”.

*Pakistani and Indian intelligence were both fighting to get custody of this man. It was the evidence by Indian of this guy being an Indian and American pressure that helped India in getting this guy.

I feel sorry for Pakistani civilian govt ministers who have no choice but to defend actions of ISI and coverup their dirty work.
Pak Army and ISI is good in hiding behind the civilians after they messup.

Indian govt on the other hand needs to gather credible evidence before blaming Pakistan. Actually its not Pakistan but the rogue elements of ISI and LET who think they are above COnstitution of Pakistan and can get away with anythin in the name if Jihad

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I am not expert about this all but I can say that a very low mental class is running this all in Pakistan . Every act ends into a criminal act . Ajeeb khichri hay . Aqal say bahir aur
At the end
every act
Ends into a blow to Pakistan .

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spot on.

The kingdom indeed is the biggest elephant in the room on WoT.

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who is Abu Hamza then? they are not the same people?

India's home minister says, he is was involved in Mumbai Attacks and is part of Laskare-Taiba group. He further said, ISI is involved and not non state actors. Is he speaking on the basis of some evidence? or as usual just accusations?

only Time will tell, who is telling the truth.

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jee kere kio or bhare kio:bummer:

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Why doesnt Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, China and just about everyone in the region from Yemen to Somalia and from China to Japan that hate Saudi Arabia do something about it... it does not have to be millitary action but a boycott of Saudi Arabian goods and general refusal to allow Saudi's to do anything in their countries would hit them hard.

Hell if Indonesia made some sort of active ban on the illegal slave trade and strung up a few Arab slave merchants then those Saudis would understand. :ASA:

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Let's call a spade a spade here! The reason the Saudis handed this guy over to India, is because the civilian leadership of Pakistan, at the very least tacitly, approved of it. The Pakistani minister can say whatever he wants, but the difference with the current Pakistani civilian government is that they have demonstrated, not just spoken of, their intention of reigning in the jihadis.

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There is no civilian concern with these people
These are product of our …
These are protected by our …
And in the end
دیر بالا حملہ، ویڈیو جاری](دیر بالا حملہ، ویڈیو جاری - BBC News اردو)

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^ let's not jump to conclusions, let the truth come out first. One thing is for sure that international campaign is taking place against the army and we should be very careful, i dont agree with many things the army does, on the other side we should keep this in mind if we'd need a changed army or no army at all.