Who did Adam and Eve's children marry?

Zapatista · September 13, 2009, 8:25am

Re: Who did Adam and Eve's children marry?

What happend to this topic? I'd still like to get an answer from the "conservatives" how the human races be came into being.

jaanaan · September 13, 2009, 11:25pm

oh please....
we will say anything to prolong the myth, without coming up with a different answer. for example, say that Adam was a representative of the society that emerged after evolution.
it is so disgusting to think of sisters and brothers marrying, as said in the previous post. i mean WTF.

jaanaan · September 13, 2009, 11:27pm

every day!!! first of, it wont be possible to do it. fetus growing into a child every day, and then conceiving again for the next day. that is a ridiculous thought.

system · September 14, 2009, 12:24am

i would like to share this with u, its about sons of sayduna adam and who they married !

(copied from a prog based on quran and hadiths of prophet SAW)

"…After talking about Adam (AS), we will start now with the story of his two sons in the Holy verses. We have already spoken about the creation of Adam in three lessons, and how he was created from soil; and also about Eve. In the last lesson I said that the offspring of Adam and Eve existed through reproduction and I thought that it would be better if I explain to you the different types of creation of Man which Allah (SWT) has chosen. Allah has created mankind in four different ways: sometimes from a male, but without a female, from a female without a male, from a male and a female, or from neither of them. Allah created Adam from neither a female or a male, he created him from soil. Eve was created from a male but no female (from Adam’s rib). Moreover, Allah (SWT) created Isa “Jesus”, the son of Maryam “Mary” from a female without a male. The rest of mankind is from both: a male and a female. So why then is this diversity? It was indeed to know that he is The Almighty Who is able to do everything and it was for us to believe that the creation of mankind is one of Allah’s miracles. If the creation of Man was in one single form, one might say it is due to coincidence or nature, etc. Hence, the diversity of the forms of creation is to make us recognize the extent of Allah’s power and might, so that we admit that this creation is indeed a miracle. Isn’t every new born baby a proof of Allah’s miracles? Every baby is a testimony of the Oneness of Allah, and that he is The Almighty. This fact should not only be known, but it should also be fixed in your inmost conscience that Allah is the Almighty, The Able, The Protector; that Has everything in His hands. That is a fact that all people should know, but do you feel it? Is it fixed in your heart; in your innermost feelings? Are you really dependant on Allah? Do you really love Him? Is it fixed in your mind that everything in your life is due to His power? Conceive Allah’s Wholeness through observing the diversity of the creation of mankind.

Back to the story of the two sons of Adam; that we find in Surah Al-Ma’idah. You should find it easy by now to deal with the Holy Qur’an. This is the main target we aim at as we narrate the stories of the prophets; to find Qur’an clear, easy and accessible. The least you should know is to find out the verses. Let me say to every one present today: learn the Qur’an. I keep stressing this point in every lesson as no Muslim should ever be imperfect in reciting Qur’an; it is our tradition and basic structure. Moreover, Allah (SWT) wants us to have our copies of the Qur’an open in our hands and in our hearts as well.

In Surat Al-Ma’idah Allah says what can be translated as, “And (O Muhammad; recite to them (the Jews) the story of the two sons of Adam (Hâbîl and Kâbîl) in truth;.” (TMQ, 5:27). One would ask, Why do we refer to this story when it took place long time ago? Well, if we go back to Egypt’s statistics twenty years ago, we find that twenty million people lived here. If we go back a hundred years farther we find that they were about five millions. Let us go centuries and centuries now. Who will we reach? We will reach those two sons of Adam. What I want to say here is that life is too short. The story is very simple; two people were married, mankind began to reproduce, and the days passed by quickly. Life is short, no matter how grand we see it. By Allah, do not let life trick you; never make it your single concern. One hundred years ago, people lived on this earth, yet they do not exist anymore. The great names, the famous men and women, all passed away. The same will happen to us, we will all pass away, and the story will repeat itself after a hundred years from now, when none of us would any longer stay around.

Earth itself changes its skin every one hundred years; the people and the places all change. Thus, when I read “And recite to them,” I always remember how simple the whole thing is. So the story is very old, but reminds us how short life is. Now back to that story, but before I recite the verses, I will tell you what they are all about. The story is that Eve had twins each time she gave birth (a male, and a female). That was for a great purpose, so that reproducing starts to take place in order to amplify the number of mankind. Allah (SWT) ordered Adam not to let the male marry his twin, but to marry another sister; a twin of one of his brothers. Marriage was a must for reproduction, and that system was Allah’s command to Adam to regulate it. Among the twins Adam had were Kabil and his sister, and Habil and his sister. Kabil was older than Habil, yet, we do not have a proof whether Kabil was Adam’s eldest son or not. Kabil’s twin was very beautiful, while Habil’s was far less beautiful than her. Following Allah’s command, Kabil should marry Habil’s twin sister (who is not beautiful), and Habil should marry Kabil’s twin (the prettier one). Kabil wanted to have his own twin sister as his wife, so Adam ordered him to abide by the rule. However, Kabil was so resolute in his demand, that Adam (AS) decided to take care of the problem himself. He asked both of them to offer a sacrifice, then, the one whose sacrifice is eaten up by fire, as a sign of acceptance, can be the husband of Kabil’s twin. Kabil, who was a farmer, sacrificed a bunch of dry plants, in spite of the fact that he was the one who wanted to marry his twin. On the other hand, Habil who was a shepherd sacrificed one of his best cows. The fire took Habil’s sacrifice and did not come near Kabil’s who became furious and denied what happened. He even threatened his brother that he would kill him, so that he would not marry his twin. He remained determined to do so till he eventually killed Habil. That is the story.

There is no exact evidence of the authenticity of this story in Qur’an or in Hadith, yet it is approved by all the scholars and interpreters of both. Most of you would say, we already know this story which is merely the murder of a man by his brother. However, we will analyze it in detail.

The first crime that took place on earth was murder. What was the reason behind such a crime? Some would say the motive was competing to win a female. But I do not agree with that. It is true that it was more or less related to the female, but let us put it in a more general way and say the temptation of women. Let me repeat that my aim is not to narrate the story, but rather to learn from it. We will discuss today some critical issues from that story and decide how to avoid them. The first problem we find is the seduction of women, which led to murder. This is how serious it is. If I ask the young men present here about the temptation they find hardest to face, they will answer: it is that of women. Same for women, the most serious temptation they undergo is that of men.

That was a point that I know that I should not merely mention without discussing thoroughly, as it is closely related to our story. I wish every body here could give me their full attention.

Allah (SWT) says what can be translated as, “Beautified for men is the love of things they covet; women, children, much of gold and silver (wealth), branded beautiful horses, cattle and well-tilled land. This is the pleasure of the present world’s life; but Allâh has the excellent return (Paradise with flowing rivers) with Him. Say: “Shall I inform you of things far better than those? For Al-Muttaqûn (the pious) there are Gardens (Paradise) with their Lord, underneath which rivers flow” (TMQ, 3:14). You see, the first temptation here is that of women. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said: “After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women.” (Bukhari). Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) also said, “The world is sweet and green (alluring) and verily Allah is going to make you as vicegerent in it in order to see how you act. So avoid the allurement of women: verily, the first trial for the people of Israel was caused by women” (Muslim). This does not mean to avoid dealing with women, but to simply be conscious of their temptation. It is as if it was not enough for Satan to persist on bareness and exposure, as we have mentioned before. Now he is stressing a different aspect, i.e. temptation, in order to complete the circle of seduction. The female focuses on exposure only to have the male absorbed in images, misguided thoughts, and lust. That guarantees the end of both, man and woman, indeed. That was Satan’s plan from day one, to spotlight these two aspects; exposure and temptation. Allah (SWT) says what can be translated as, “The Evil One threatens you with poverty and bids you to conduct unseemly” (TMQ, 2:286).

I will start now to pose some of the forms of female temptation we face in our daily lives, and the danger of each. You will see that every one of us suffers one way or another from one or more of these forms.

One of the forms of female temptation is the Haram (prohibited) look. For example, you leave your home, and walk down the street with the intention of obeying Allah (SWT), abiding by his rules, and saving your self from all sorts of temptation. However, after two or three hours, things change. Why? You did not lower your gaze. Later on you are overwhelmed by what you see since it is not accessible to you. Lust starts to control and overpower your heart that Satan starts laughing at you. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said, “The gaze is one of Lucifer’s arrows.” Can you imagine what that arrow can do? It hurts and sometimes digs deep into the heart. It is one gaze, but never underestimates its consequences. Can you tell how many arrows are there in your heart till this moment? Thousands, or even millions. Can you allow those arrows to keep hurting you?

That was one of the temptations. One more form of seduction is viewing online pornography sites. How could you look at a naked person? How did you dare? How did you allow your fingers to search for them, or your eyes to view them? How could you let that seduction control you? How could you actually pay money to watch such pornography on satellite or cable channels? How is it possible that some young people do that on daily basis? At the time of Kabil, the problem was that he defied Allah’s law and wanted to marry his twin sister. But nowadays, the temptation has so many different forms; so did you ever attempt to lower your gaze or to stop watching or viewing pornography?

Another form of seduction is the telephone chitchat between young men and women. They exchange such forbidden and dishonorable talk that if the girl’s father picked up the phone and listened to what his daughter is saying, she would breakdown with shame and humiliation. Have they ever considered that Allah (SWT) is watching them? Allah (SWT) says what can be translated as, “Knows he not that Allâh does see (what he does)?” (TMQ, 97:14). You think that you are safe and that nobody can tell what you are doing, when Allah (SWT) is watching: “…verily I am with you both, hearing and seeing” (TMQ, 20:46). Have you seen how seduction can be implemented in various ways?

One more type of these is what we see nowadays of “women who would be dressed but appear to be naked”. I want to focus on the dangers of this phenomenon. There are a lot of women and young ladies who are wearing hijab (veil) and we keep making dua’a (supplication) for them to put it on Insha’ Allah. However, what kind of clothes will they put on till they do? Wearing hijab is an important issue and what is similarly important is the kind of clothes that ladies who are not putting on hijab wear. They sometimes put on too tight clothes that show the details of their bodies to the point that they are almost naked; tight jeans, bathing suits, revealing clothes, etc. I direct my words to the ladies now, when seduction takes place, rest assured that it is because of what you put on. The prophet (PBUH) said, “Two are the types amongst the denizens of Hell whom I did not see…They will not get into paradise and they would not perceive the odor of paradise, although its fragrance can be perceived from such and such distance” Since paradise’s odor can be smelt, how come is it that we do not sense that odor? This is due to the hundreds of temptations and afflictions that exist nowadays and that stand between us and that odor. One of the companions, for example, said that he could smell the scent of paradise coming from the direction of Uhud (a mountain in Makkah). Scholars affirm that this was not said figuratively, but it was rather a fact that he could actually smell it. Back to our hadith now, one of the two types that will not enter paradise, as the other type is not our issue today, is “the women who would be naked in spite of their being dressed, who are seduced (to wrong paths) and seduce others with their hair high like humps.” (Muslim) I want to focus here on an important point, which is that I do not mean to talk about the unveiled. My talk is about those who are actually covered, but with very tight clothes. If such sisters come to our gathering, they might risk losing the reward of it. Furthermore, they might be responsible if the young men of our gathering lose their reward as a result of being attracted to them. These women are seduced by others to dress so and are consequently seducing others to deviate from Allah’s path. Their heads are like the humps of camels because of the manner in which women style their hair, or even with the false hair they add to theirs. These will not perceive the scent of heaven. I am talking about the different forms of temptation here, not to trouble or bore you, but to give you advice and to draw your attention to their dangers.

Another form of temptation is what happens nowadays between engaged couples. There are a lot of sins that take place in that period of engagement. The engagement might be cancelled as a result of the absence of Allah (SWT) blessings, due to the terrible sins that took place in that phase. Thus, if you want to save your engagement, do not disobey Allah in it.

One more form of the afflictions is the increase in adultery which is one of the signs of the Day of Judgment. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) tells us a Hadith narrated by Bukhari which is so serious and threatening, which I have to mention to encourage the chaste ones to protect themselves and to be aware of Satan’s tricks that might allure them to wish trying that way. On the other hand, there should be a solace for those who have been there when they know that they can always repent. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said, “I had seen (a dream) last night that two men came to me, caught hold of my hands, and … told me to proceed on; so we proceeded on and passed by a hole like an oven (of fire); with a narrow top and wide bottom, and the fire was kindling underneath that hole. Whenever the fire-flame went up, the people were lifted up to such an extent that they about to get out of it, and whenever the fire got quieter, the people went down into it, and there were naked men and women in it. I said, ‘Who is this?’… (Who are they?) They said “Those you saw in the hole (like oven) were adulterers (those men and women who commit illegal sexual intercourse). Can you imagine such a torture?

Some young men and women may say that they would never commit adultery, but they find it ok to date, without having sex. That is why I will quote the following Hadith. I must add that I have to be honest and clear on this as I narrate to you these Hadith so that they shall remind you and be a barrier that lies between you and Satan, to eliminate any chance of being trapped in his tricks. “A man kissed a woman (unlawfully) and then went to the Prophet and informed him.” The prophet (PBUH) looked away and got angry avoiding any eye contact with him while the man kept repeating time and again what he said in desperation, till Allah revealed what can be translated as, “And perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât ), at the two ends of the day and in some hours of the night *. Verily, the good deeds remove the evil deeds (i.e. small sins). That is a reminder (an advice) for the mindful (those who accept advice).”(TMQ, 11:114). This kiss needs a lot of praying day and night indeed in order to be erased.

A further form of seduction is that of harassments. They also used to take place in the time of the prophet (PBUH). A delegation once came to pledge allegiance to the prophet (PBUH). They came still not conceiving the matters of Islam fully. A young man, whose faith was not yet strong enough, accompanied them. He harassed a girl in one of Al-Madinah’s roads by pulling her to him, grabbing her clothes. On the following day, the delegation went to the prophet (PBUH), and he started to take their pledges by shaking their hands till he reached that young man only to withdraw his hand saying: “Aren’t you the one who pulled the girl?” The young man was silent when he knew that the prophet (PBUH) would not shake his hand. The young man said, “O messenger of Allah! I swear by Allah that I will never do it again after this day. When the prophet (PBUH) heard that he said, “If so give me your hand.” The man said “Then I put my hands in his and by Allah, I never did it after that.”

Can you relate this incident to what takes place nowadays in the streets? What happened to people? How will they meet Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) on the Day of Judgment? How will they dare to look at his face? Is he not dear to them? When he meets you on the Day of Judgment, he will look away and say, “Away from me” Could we be from his Ummah (Islamic nation) if we keep doing what we do? How could a young woman accept to have a man date her, and does what he feels like to her, when it is Haram and prohibited? Where have their chastity and femininity gone?

An additional form of seduction is abandoning hijab. It is true, that we got used to seeing women showing their hair and parts of their bodies. But compare this to the fact that hijab is fard (religious obligation)! So seeing a woman’s hair is not accepted in the first place. Imam Ahmad Ibn-Hanbal was once walking in the street when some wind lifted the jilbab (long covering dress) of a woman and revealed her heels. When he saw that, Imam Ahmad covered his face and said, “It is indeed an era of affliction!” What would he do if he could see what is happening nowadays?

The last form of affliction is infidelity in marriage; a serious and a grave one. Abdullah narrated: I asked the Prophet, “What is the greatest sin in the Sight of Allah?”(the sin which makes Allah most angry?) He said, “That you set up a rival unto Allah though He Alone created you.” I said, “That is indeed a great sin.” I then asked, “What is next?” He said, “To kill your son lest he should share your food with you.” (out of poverty) I asked, “What is next?” He said, “To commit illegal sexual intercourse with the wife of your neighbor.” That of course includes a neighbor, a relative, etc.

These different forms of affliction and seductions must terrify us. Steady gazes at forbidden things, sins, etc. This is what Satan has done to us form Kabil’s time till now. How shall we be rescued from these trials? Some may wonder that we have moved away from the main story of Kabil and Habil. On the contrary, the temptation of women is the main objective of this story. This is how we could eliminate these afflictions:

Lower your gaze. Young people should resist, and should prevent themselves from that. The man who has passed the 40s or the 50s, and is still doing this sin must try to stop immediately. The young people should not do it with the false excuse that they are too young to resist or that they are still single. I have known a young man, who was still in high school when he told me, “I start my battles with Satan once I wake up in the morning as I wonder how many times I will overcome him, and how many times he will win over me? I keep counting throughout the day, and at night I review the score. Sometimes I win and the score is 12 to 10, and I keep asking for forgiveness for those 10 times.” Some people’s score gets as bad as 0 to 10000 and thus they have been overcome by Satan thousands of times without being able to beat him a single time. Their hearts are wounded by Satan’s arrows that they become unable to resist. In a Qudsi Hadith (divine Hadith), Allah (SWT) says that, “whoever lowers his gaze for Allah’s sake will be rewarded with a sweetness of faith that he will find in his heart”. Thus Allah (SWT) will fill your heart with true faith. By Allah, try it for one week and you will start to feel that sweetness of faith in your hearts. This was the first step to avoid the seduction of women.
Close the doors of seduction. The heart is like a house with doors. If you have left them open, seduction would enter. Watch where seduction comes from in order to close that door. Sometimes it is a friend that insinuates you to Haram acts. In that case stop that relationship at once. Some of us use the internet, which is halal (permissible) and a necessity nowadays. Yet if pornography is the problem, you can always use filters that shut that door. Do not subscribe to the so and so pornographic channel, and shut that door. If you still keep the phone number of your forbidden friends (girl or boy friends) stored in your phone, erase them, and shut that door in a moment of sincerity and obedience to Allah.
Resort to fasting as a way out. The prophet (PBUH) said: “O young people! Whoever among you is able to marry, should marry, and whoever is not able to marry, is recommended to fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual power” The best way to secure yourself from the seduction of women is to fast three days a month, or Mondays and Thursdays, or to fast like prophet Dawud “David” who used to fast every other day.
One more way that helps you in combating the seduction of women is to know the reward of resisting it. Listen to this Hadith “Allah will give shade, to seven, on the Day when there will be no shade but His” Of these seven: “a man who refuses the call of a charming woman of noble birth for illicit intercourse with her and says: I am afraid of Allah”. For example, if a young man or a young woman had a relationship then they repented, they will be among those who Allah (SWT) will shelter on the Day of Judgment. Imagine that reward! Can you imagine the angels’ happiness when you are obedient to Allah (SWT) and your own happiness when you say “No” to sins for the sake of Allah (SWT)? Can you imagine what Allah (SWT) has prepared for you in paradise, where you will enjoy all sorts of blessings? Can you imagine the moment when Allah (SWT) calls for you in Paradise saying where are my subjects who obeyed me without seeing me? And you say, “I did. O Allah, I repented, and I regretted my sins for your own sake.”
Repent promptly. You can always repent by abandoning all bad deeds, and by being resolute not to go back. Only then would sins be erased. Repent by fearing Allah (SWT), by regretting your deeds, by feeling the shame of committing sins, by weeping, etc. Only then will Allah (SWT) forgive you.
Your final resort to combat female seduction is to learn the examples of people who succeeded in such efforts. The best example is Yusuf “Joseph” (AS). He was a young man, single, very handsome, a stranger, a slave, that had to encounter the continuous seduction of the Aziz’s (governor’s) wife who surrounded him, shut all the doors, and said what can be translated as, “Come on, O you” (TMQ, 23:12), as he kept repeating what can be translated as, “I seek refuge in Allah” (TMQ, 23:12).

Redefine your manhood. Being a man does not mean that you date women and commit sins. A man resists temptations. Let me speak to those who never committed such sins. Satan will keep tempting you to try and to imitate others. But always remember that real character and strength is in refraining from imitating others.

](http://amrkhaled.net/articles/editor/#_ednref1) TMQ=Translation of the Meaning of the Qur’an. This translation is for the realized meaning, so far, of the stated (Surah:Ayah) of the Qur’an. Reading the translated meaning of the Qur’an can never replace reading it in Arabic, the language in which it was revealed.

system · September 14, 2009, 12:25am

Habil (Abel) & Kabil (Cain): Part 2
Listen to this nice story. There was once a man named Obayd Ibn Omar who was among the righteous, known for his piety and virtue. There was an extremely beautiful woman who one day she looked at herself in the mirror and asked herself if any one could resist her beauty. (We all see girls who think in the same way). This woman was married and her husband told her that Obayd Ibn Omar could indeed resist her beauty. She asked her husband to allow her to try to seduce him and he gave her permission to do so. She went to Obayd and told him that she wanted to ask him a question; she kept unveiling her face, and he kept looking away, until she told him frankly that she wanted to get to know him and do so and so.

He told her, “I will ask you some questions and if your answer them honestly, I will be at your wish.” She said,” Ask whatever you want, I will be honest.” He said, “If the angel of death came to take your soul, would you be glad then that you did this sin with me?” She replied, “No”. He said, “You speak the truth. Then, on The Day of Judgment when everyone takes his book, and you take your book with your left hand for committing this sin, would you be glad?” She said: “No.” He said, “If the Serrat (the bridge crossing over hell) was set, and the people passed over it, while you fell because of this sin, would you be happy, then, that you did it?” She said, “No.” He asked, “If you stood between Allah’s hands, and he asked you about this sin, would you be glad that you committed it? She said, “No.” He asked, “Was that enough for you?” She said: “Yes, by Allah I will repent.” Then she became a worshipper, humble in front of Allah, and often reciting the Holy Qur’an. From then on her husband would pray, “May Allah have mercy on Obayd Ibn Omar”.

Here is the question: “Who is responsible for the sin? Kabil or his sister? Because some books that are full of Israeli narrations (Israeliyat) say that the main reason for the descent of Adam to earth was Eve. In addition, they say that the main reason behind the murder of Habil was Kabil’s sister. This is wrong, as Kabil’s sister was pious. The proof is this: Who did Allah hold responsible for the crime; was it Kabil and his sister, or Kabil only? Only Kabil was asked. A woman is responsible when she tempts a man (by being unveiled, or being covered but in fact so revealing). Listen to Ibn Abbass’s saying, “When a woman goes out, Satan tells her, ‘There is not a single man who will not admire you when you pass by him.’” Notice what Satan does with a woman, so that she becomes conceited!! She returns home pleased, and Satan tempts her further, ‘and he will admire you even more, if you beautify yourself even more’, he says to her. She falls into the temptation, and she keeps doing so, until she gets used to it. Then she says to her self, “I don’t wear make-up for the sake of men, but for my own sake.” She becomes accustomed to this way, which is what Satan really wants.

Let us go back to the verses of the Qur’an, verse 27 in Surat Al- Mai’dah. The verse can be translated as, “And tell them the story of the two sons of Adam truthfully.**” **(TMQ, 5:27)[1]](http://amrkhaled.net/articles/articles668.html#_ftn1). What is the meaning of “and” at the beginning of the verse? Is it related to what precedes it? It means, and tell them as we have told you before (referring to the previous story in the Surah). Let us see the previous verses, and then their relation with these verses.

We will go back to verses 20 through 27 in the Surah. These verses tell the story of the children of Israel, and how Mûsâ “Moses” asked them to enter the holy land. They disobeyed the order claiming that they were afraid. What is the relation between the children of Israel, their fear and rejection to enter the Holy land and between the stories of the two sons of Adam? Why did Allah (SWT) associate this story with the story of the two sons of Adam? This is because the children of Israel were cowards. Cowardice was the main obstacle that made them disobey Musa. Cowardice came from their fear of being killed in the war if they entered the Holy Land. On the other hand, Kabil was hasty in killing his brother. Cowards commit actions that are hasty and rash. It is to us that Allah wants to show that cowardice is a sin, and murder is a sin as well. Look to the beautiful Qur’anic correlation! Allah (SWT) wants to show us that we must be brave and not rash.

Another point that I want to tackle while we are looking at verse 25, which reflects the relation between the two stories, Look at Musa’s saying what can be translated as, “O Allah, I have nothing except my say and my brother.” (TMQ, 5:25). Then look at verse 27 with Kabil’s saying, “I will kill you”. As if Allah wants to teach and advise every man and his sister, and every man and his brother to take care of each other (we see nowadays how many siblings have broken relationships), and to stand by him, even if he or she were not obedient to Allah. Take care of your relations with your sisters and brothers. For it is one of Allah’s blessings upon us to have brothers and sisters. We should value this blessing, and we should not imitate Kabil. Look at this nice line of poetry, “I swear if my right hand is in yours, life will embrace our hands.” (Meaning that life would treat them well if they were united).

Back again to verse 27 Surat Al-Ma’idah in what can be translated as, “Tell them about the story of the two sons of Adam truthfully. They both sacrificed, and it was accepted from one and not from the other. He said: “I will kill you.”(TMQ, 5:27). So envy had filled him to the extent that it had driven him to kill his own brother. Satan was the one who made this sin seem tempting to him. This fifth story of evil on earth was envy.

Let us count the sins. The first is pride, the second is Adam’s gluttony, the third is lending Satan an ear, “He swore to them that he is an adviser”(TMQ, 7:21). The forth is the temptation of women, and the fifth is envy.

Envy and malice are sometimes there in many women, so be aware of envy and jealousy. For example, if you see one of your friends is about to marry, your envy may stop this marriage from going through. The same applies on being envious towards one of your colleagues at work, because he got promoted to an extent that you may try to harm him. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said: “Don’t ever be envious, for envy eats up your good deeds as the fire eats up logs” (narrated by Ibn Dawud). “They never gather in one heart: faith and envy.”

My advice to you is to beware of envy. There are some girls who believe that the reason behind their being spinsters is envy. The words “the bad eye and envy” are used a lot these days. It is a fact, that people abuse these terms. I will sum up some points for you, and show you how you can be cured from envy:

Read the Ma’uthattain (the two last Surahs of Qur’an): (“I seek the refuge of the Lord of day break” (TMQ, 113:1) “I seek the refuge of the lord of Mankind” (TMQ, 114:1).
Invocate to Allah in the morning and in the evening and be regular in this.
Be pious, and avoid doing bad deeds. Allah (SWT) says what can be translated as, “Any evil that happens to you is from yourself.” (TMQ, 4:79) “Any evil that happens to you comes from your deeds. Thus, as long as you avoid committing sins, you will be safe from envy. These are not my words, but the words of the scholars.
Among the ways to protect yourself from envy is to trust in Allah. If Allah made you suffer from harm, nobody shall ever be able to use you except Allah, and if he wants the good for you, nobody can take it back.
Among the remedies of envy is Sadaka “charity”. I swear that the best way to protect your-self from being envied is by giving large sums of charity.
Try to be good with the ones who have harmed you or envied you, for Allah teaches us in the holy Qur’an what can be translated as, “good deeds are never like bad deeds. Try to do the better” (TMQ, 41:34).

Those who fear the bad eye, and envy, should follow the instructions I have given.

Let’s examine Kabil’s words to his brother in what can be translated as, “I will kill you” (TMQ, 5:27). Habil answered, “Allah accepts the deeds of the pious” (TMQ, 5:27). As if he wanted to say, “Why will you kill me; it is not my problem but yours (Habil had not been pious when he presented his gift to Allah, so Allah did not accept it), then why do you blame me for something I do not have a hand in?”

There is a nice gesture here: How can you be from among the pious and become accepted as Habil has been and to be sure that you will not face what was done to Kabil? Let us define taqwa “Piety”. Piety means that Allah shall find you wherever he has ordered you to be, and shall not find you where he has forbidden you to be. It is clear now. He has ordered you to pray Al- Fajr “dawn prayer” in the mosque, to learn Qur’an and to lower your gaze. He also has prohibited you from breaking your ties with your relatives, from disobeying your parents or being undutiful. If all are fulfilled, you will be pious.

I want to suggest: Why do we not observe ourselves every day and ask ourselves, were we pious? Did Allah find us where he has ordered us? At the end of the day, you start to settle an account with your own self, and see whether you have been pious and to which extent. This will surely lead to the aspired goal. You should always remember the verse that can be translated as, “Allah accepts but from the pious.” (TMQ, 5:27) so you rejoice in your piety. There is another verse, which says what can be translated as, “Allah loves the pious.”(9:4). Renew your piety everyday and know that Allah is satisfied with you. There was once a tabi’i “follower” (i.e.: those who lived after the death of the prophet but saw his companions and followed their example) who was dying and he began to weep. They asked him, “Why are you crying when you have done a lot of good deeds?” He answered: “I cry because Allah says what can be translated as, “Allah accepts but from the pious.” Thus, deeds are related to piety.

Verse 28 in Surat Al-Ma’idah has the words of Habil to his brother Kabil in what can be translated as, “if you stretched your hands to kill me, I will not stretch mine. I fear Allah, the lord of the worlds.” (TMQ, 5:28). Do you see the goodness of Habil? Ibn Abbas and Ibn Omar (RA) said: “Habil was stronger, sterner, and more powerful. However, he told his brother that he would not stretch out his hands to kill him, if Kabil did.”

Is it not allowed for Habil to defend himself? Of Course, as prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said, “Whoever dies defending his money is a martyr, and whoever dies defending his honor is a martyr.” Thus, he who dies defending his money or honor will be a martyr. However, Habil died and chose not to do so, for the matter is quite different when it is concerned with relatives. If anyone else wanted to kill Habil and not his brother, he would have defended himself .This meaning is very important. As if Habil wanted to say, “I would rather die than cut the relations with my kin.” That is a great lesson in the relationship with relatives. How many thousands cut their relationships with their kids? This is sometimes done for reasons that are so trivial that don’t deserve this alienation. It is as if Allah wants to give us the most difficult situation in the relation with relatives. Kabil wants to kill Habil, while the latter has a strong will not to defend himself, then why do we distance ourselves from our relatives for reasons like: inheritance, money, or because she said so and so about me. I advice you again to keep good relations with your relatives.

I wish that we would observe two things from this lesson: to keep up our relations with our relatives, and to be pious. We shall start from today to observe ourselves daily as we have mentioned before. The same applies for lowering the gaze. The prophet (PBUH) said, “the one who observes his relation with his relatives is not he who returns their visits (i.e. who asks about you, you ask about him, and he who does not ask about you, you ask about him) but he who keeps in touch with his relatives when they have cut him off”. Let us examine this hadith, “Mercy doesn’t descend over those who have among them a one who is not in contact with his relatives. Kinship will detach in the serrat on the Day of Judgment and say: O Allah, don’t let him pass till he gives me my right.”

Do you understand now why Othman (RA) rejected to fight when he had been surrounded inside Al-Madinah (at the time of his murder)? It was because he didn’t want to be a cause in the breaking of ties between kinship of Muslims. This may be a reasonable explanation.

We move on to verse 29 of Surat Al-Maida. The verse can be translated as, ”I want you to bear the burden of my sin and yours to be in the hell which is the punishment for sinners.” (TMQ, 5:29) Why does the verse contain the words: my sin and your sin? The first means the sin of Kabil when he kills Habil. The second is Kabil’s lack of abidance by Allah’s law when he refused to marry Habil’s sister. Here I want to warn you that he who wants to commit an offence, in fact, commits two sins and not only a single one. First, the bad deed it self; second your rejection to Allah’s Law. Beware of sins and especially the second one, as it is even worse to reject Allah’s Law than to commit the sin itself.

Verse 30, Surat Al- Maida, can be translated as, “Then his soul made it pliable to kill his brother, he killed him, and was by that among the losers.” (TMQ, 5:30) see the word ‘pliable’ here; it is as if there was something resisting and it became yielding. We say that we make the iron pliable. Allah wants us to know that the soul has “virtue” in origin and that virtue and evil are both inside us. So you would have to persist to make your soul yielding to bad deeds until it becomes completely pliable, and evil overcomes virtue. Kabil kept after his soul until it was pliable to evil. Here I want to draw your attention that nobody starts his life as a sinner, and nobody is created a sinner. Every baby is born with fitra (moral constitution) but man is the one who moulds himself, and makes evil overcome virtue. He changes his natural inclination towards virtue, until he finds offence an easy thing to commit.

We treat our souls in the same way; we make it more and more yielding to evil until we cannot control our actions after that. Our logic and mind become one side, and our deeds on the other. The result is like an infectious disease controlling our bodies with no remedy for it. It happened to Kabil, who could not vision except killing his brother in order to marry his own sister.

This happens in our lives. For example, a boy who wants and wishes to know a girl keeps on feeding the desire, and the girl does the same, until he or she commits the offence. Then what is the solution?

There is a nice word for Ibn Al-Qayyim, “Know that the offence starts with a thought. Try to force them away (i.e. as soon as the thought comes, seek Allah and take refuge in him from Satan), for if you don’t do that, it turns into lust which you have to fight, because if you do not, lust would turn into an intention, a willingness, and a resolve which in turn should be combated. If not, it will manifest itself into an action that you must fight. Otherwise, actions will turn into a habit which you will find difficult to give up. Thus, fighting from the very beginning is easier than when it becomes deep-rooted. Whenever a thought comes, and Satan starts to work on you, fight this. That is why Allah (SWT) says what can be translated as, “Don’t follow the Satan’s foot steps, he is an open enemy to you” (TMQ, 2:168) He starts with a thought and you follow until it becomes a lust, then an intention and a will. Then a deed until it becomes a habit.

We have said that you can combat by seeking refuge from Allah, invocation, and by the holy Qur’an. By these means, you strengthen yourself and force bad thoughts away. Kabil left the thought until it controlled him, and he kept thinking until it pushed him to kill his brother. How did he kill his brother? They say that he took a rock, and hit his brother, or that he choked him in his sleep. However, the Qur’an did not tell us about the method he used to kill his brother. It is not important to know about the way, as much as the cause of the murder. Look today at the newspapers, which are concerned with crimes and accidents, and you will find that they are mainly concentrating on the way the crime was carried out, and the details of it. This is far from the Qur’anic approach. Sometimes the details of the crime reveal to the others ideas of how they would commit the crime. However, let us look at the Qur’anic approach which stressed the reasons of the crime without concentrating on how the murder was carried out. Another interesting point is that the story associated the temptation of woman with murder. A question may be raised that not all the stories we have about the temptation of woman lead to murder. Then why has Allah associated the trial of women with murder while it may not be a common occurrence? I tell you that it does happen.

It already has happened may times, every day, listen to this report from WHO (World Health Org.) which states: the number of abortion operations all over the world in 1976, were 25 million of babies or fetuses in one year. The statistics were repeated in 1984, and they found that cases of abortion had reached 50 millions in the world. Then, what is the number today? That is why the temptation of women is associated with murder. Let us see the rest of the verses in what can be translated as, “and was by that among the losers.” (TMQ, 5:30). What did Kabil lose? His loss was great. Listen to Prophet Muhammad’s story, which is narrated by Bukhari, “No one is wrongfully or unjustly killed, until the Day of Judgment, except that the son of Adam has a share in his/her blood”. It’s like he will be punished with a half of the punishment of all Hell’s inhabitants. Allah (SWT) wants to draw our attention to a crucial point that we will see in the prophet (PBUH) Hadith, “Whoever introduces a bad practice, would have a part of its misdeed, and of the sinner himself till Dooms day”.

Thus, you should take care not to introduce a bad practice and not to encourage some one to imitate you. We have the example of the parents. Other examples are: The first woman who wore a swimming suit will have a part of the burden of those who imitated her, the first one who smoked marijuana, and many other examples. If you are a smoker, take care of your children, for every cigarette your son smokes you will share him in its burden.

Never teach anybody an offence. That is why I advise the boys who took smoking as a habit from their parents to give it up. The matter is serious; you must never teach anybody to imitate you in your bad ways. However, if you repent, Allah will accept you and Allah will relieve you for sharing the burden (sins) of others.

Let us look at the words of Allah (SWT) in verse 31, in what can be translated as, “Allah sent a raven scratching into the earth to teach him how to hide the shame of his brother.” (TMQ, 5:31). The raven is obedient to Allah, and he is one of his soldiers like the ant and the hoopoe (of Solaiman, AS) which are all mentioned the Qur’an, as all the earth is Allah’s Dominion.

Why was it especially the raven and not any other bird? Look to the nice Qur’anic symmetry. The raven is black in color, and is ugly. Moreover, a lot of people are afraid of him. Its name in Arabic is derived from (strange) to be symmetric with the strangeness and the badness of the dead Kabil had committed in the right of his brother Habil, As if Allah wants to show us that the disobedient are very weak, and that the raven is better that him, and that he is weaker than it. Thus, whoever makes an offence is always the most afraid, most coward, and the weakest.

Kabil said what can be translated as, “Alas! I was unable to do what the raven had done, and to hide my brother’s shame.” (TMQ, 5:31). Here we return back to the word “private part”. Which we have commented on in many lesson and explained that Allah (SWT) never calls it “awra” (private parts), but with the word “saw’a” which has the connotation of “shame”, as man is ashamed to look at it, and that is to make you dislike it and make women dislike to reveal it. Then why is this term used here? Kabil will bury his brother’s corpse or his privates? of course, the corpse as a whole. Then why did Allah not say “to hide my brothers corpse?” Because, Allah wants to show us that it is the private part that need to be covered the most. After that the verse is completed with can be translated as, “He became regretful” (TMQ, 5:31). Kabil repented, but why did Allah not forgive him? Besides, we have seen the prophet’s Hadith that Kabil will be asked for every human soul, which was murdered after he had introduced the practice of murder. However, you have once said that if a man repents, Allah forgives him. Then why did Allah not forgive him? That is because he did not regret his murder out of repentance. He regretted because he felt helpless. What happened is that the corpse of his brother began to rot while he was carrying it, as the raven had not come yet, and the animals started to be drawn to the corpse. He began to feel anxious. Thus, this was regret of weakness and not of real repentance. It was because he left his frailty in front of the raven.

I want here to draw your attention that your regret and remorse should be for the sake of Allah and not because of a sense of helplessness, so that Allah may accept it. I will give you an example; a person spent 150 pounds and he went to a party, but either he did not spend a nice time there, or the party was not good. He regrets the money, which he spent without enjoying the party. This is not repentance, and it is not for the sake of Allah (SWT).

My brothers and sisters, this is an important point, that you should be remorseful for the regard of Allah. For example, if you married unlawfully, and you faced some problems, your “wife” may be sad. What is she regretful of? Regretful of what happened to her? That is not repentance. However, if she is remorseful for what she had done in the regard of Allah, and that she has not abode by his orders, it will be real repentance. Of course, one can be sad for his own self and what happened to him, but the main cause for the remorse should be Allah.

I want to give you the meaning of the beginning of verse 32 in Surat Al-Ma’idah, “for that , we wrote in the script if one of the children of Israel killed a soul without a right, for the corruption of the earth ; it is as if he killed mankind as a whole.” (TMQ, 5:32) this means that, because of what Kabil has done, but what’s the relation between him and the children of Israel? The beginning of the story of Kabil and Habil was associated with cowardice and the children of Israel. Then why did Allah choose them specifically? Why did Allah not say, for example: “if anyone killed…” That is because the main reason behind the crime of Kabil is envy and the temptation of women. Who are the ones who corrupt the earth with these? Of course they are many of the Jews. That is why Allah addresses them. Because they are the most envious especially towards Muslims, and they are the keenest in spreading lusts, the seduction of women and the advocacy of various sins. That is why the verse was revealed.

This was the story of Kabil and Habil. Habil died, and Kabil fled. Where did he go? Did Allah send anybody to reform people after whom? Who was the first prophet after Adam ( AS)?. Was it Idris (AS) “Enoch”, or was there another one before him? Then what about the beginning of the story of Nuh (AS) “Noah”, and what happened on earth where it once had been declaring the oneness of Allah. When did the worship of idols begin? All these questions, we are going to tackle in coming session.

We can conclude from this session that we should take care of women. Moreover, I dedicate my words to the women not to seduce men. In addition to that, never be envious, and be pious, so that Allah may find you where he ordered you, and not find you where he prohibited you. Never introduce an evil practice; Keep in touch with your relatives and repent for the sake of Allah and not because of the troubles you face.

system · September 14, 2009, 12:26am

Re: Who did Adam and Eve's children marry?

the story is interesting to know , thats why i put it all to share it with u

USResident · September 14, 2009, 1:37am

There is no evidence of how that was accomplished and what sharia Prophet Adam AS carried. The Quran only teaches us that the human race was created with the creation of Adam AS the first of our human race. There is nothing about his offspring other than Habil and Qabil. Its better not to come up with theories regarding this when it is not really known.

As for the theory of evolution is concerned it does not concern human migration patterns of how the first human gave rise to more humans. I am not against evolution where it proposes a theory for how evolutionary changes came about in the human race. It was infact a very advanced theory for its time and pretty well researched as well.

Current studies in evolution and genetics are more focused on proving that we reached a stage of being hominids from single cell organisms through anthropoids. This I do disagree with and there is not even 1-2% evidence to prove theories which are being proposed for this. The beauty and flaw of all such theories and researches is that they discount or disregard the models or evidence which contradicts them. So the theories only would hold true as long as you stayed within the boundaries it defines for its progression. Theories cannot attain the honor of being facts as long as even one case exists which contradicts it.

crankthatskunk · September 14, 2009, 9:12am

Moderators; Request

This topic has raised two fundamental issues;
1- The issue of Adam AS being the first human,
2- Evolution of human
I have noticed that our Qadiani friends tried to divert this topic towards their teachings that Adam AS was not the first human being on Earth, I present a post from Mr. Popat as evidence.

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is it not possible that adam and eve's children married amongst other people who we dont know about? since Quran says Adam and Eve were the first of the creation, it doesnt however confirm that they were all lonely on Earth. So, it is possible that there were human beings present at the time of Adam and Eve, unless this understanding of mine contradicts Quran
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He further writes;

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Dont know who you are referring to as a qadiani.. anyhow.. I said.. if it contradicts Quran then i'm wrong.. can you come up with the contradiction from Quran and what i said? until then, reply only when you have something related to this topic.
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Another of his colleague Mr. Chacha_Ghalib wrote;

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A lot of people have this misconception about evolution. Evolution is not a theory, its a fact. What Darwin came up with was a theory to explain the phenomnon of evolution. So Darwin's theory was called the theory evolution by natural selection. There were other theories to explain evolution but Darwin's was the one that made the most sense.
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He categorically said that Evolution is fact not a theory.

I had a long debate with on of their Murabis on the issue of Adam As on another forum, almost two years ago

I also had a discussion with another Qadiani on the issue of Evolution. In this discussion I have presented lots of scientific facts from well known scientists like Einstein and present day Hawking.

Is it allowed to give short cut to other discussion forums? It will save me time to reproduce everything again. Thank you.

chacha_Ghalib · September 15, 2009, 3:00pm

Re: Who did Adam and Eve's children marry?

^ mr. skunk, get a life!

can't you reply to ANY topic without bringing ahmadis in? some guy asked a question and everyone is responding to it to the best of their knowledge. If you have a different point of view then go ahead share it. Just stop being a troll.

d-tox.ed · September 15, 2009, 8:06pm

Re: Who did Adam and Eve's children marry?

he has actually lost his intellectual sense of replying on knowledge base....why...simply because such information does not exist on his blog to copy and paste it from...lolz