In my last topic i asked a question which most of u didn’t dare to answer.
I repeat it here more elaborately:
if zaid is born fifty years ago and dies last year and bakar was born twenty five yrs ago and died two years ago who will be the last one chronologically?
The common sense says “zaid will be the person”.
So if jesus (as) dies after Mohammed (saw)
he deserves the title of khatam un nabiyeen.
I really have no feelings one way or another, but if Jesus will come back, wouldn’t that imply that his title of Prophet was already sanctioned to him some 700 years prior to Mohamad. So I would say, the one who is given the title (or gives himself one) at a later date is the last one.
If Jesus is coming back, then I am the reincarnation of Sudharta. Honest.
Sabah, “Khatam un nabiyeen” means “stamp of approval for all the prior biblical prophets". The term “Khatm” in Arabic means “Stamp”. It also means Last. Arabic is a very confusing language, it can have 50 words to describe the same thing (e.g., dates “Khajoor”) and can have 1 word to describe 50 different things (e.g., mun).
Thanks NYAhmadi jee
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I just wanted to see what binmunawar puts in the word and what his understanding of this word is.
To all of ya Plz .. Dont try to prove something stupid like this with the help of religion. Why dnt ya try a bit with rationality and logic. ANd I believe in logical Islam(I am not calling myself a muslim here). So logically speaking How a man Can Live for 2000 years or so and come back on earth . it sounds crazy. No logic in it. So EIther my interpretation that islam is logical is wrong or that Jesus aint coming back now..He must be dead.
Rest in PEace
P.S I may be right .. I may be wrong .. but i dnt mean to offend anyone
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So if jesus (as) dies after Mohammed (saw)
he deserves the title of khatam un nabiyeen.
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If your assumption is that the last is the one who dies last, then it makes sense. But then you have to be able to prove that the last is not defined as the last to come.
For example, you could say that someone's last child is the last one that was born, or you can also say that it is the last surviving one. Either interpretation works. But since in the Quran it says that Prophet Muhammad(s.a.w.) is the last one, then we have that constraint which tells us that Prophet Muhammad(s.a.w.) was the last to come.
That's my own logical explanation for it, and might not be the real one.
Dear its not much of a logical explaination ... as In quran , I 've not found any of Aait containng that Mr JESUS CHRIST was lifted above the seventh sky and is living in Paeace on the seventh sky and that he will return on earth after two or three meliniums and that he will land and MAsjid -e- Aqsaa and then Our Molvis will built a ladder for him so that he may come doen do that Minarat etcetc ... I ' ve found nothing of this sort in Quran ... but if ya find it ... plz lemme know so that i may correct my believe about quran that it is a logical Book and is full of rationality... Coz on the whole the idea of sending MR Christ above the skies is on the whole irrational ...
Rest in Peace
P.S I may be right .. I may be wrong but I mean no offence to anyone..
Lucifier..you logic is VERY unlogical.
Jesus is NOT dead, he is alive in paradise, he will come back. But that doesnt mean he will be the prophet.
Allah says in quran that mohammad is the last messenger, he confirms the previous messengers that came before him. And quran is the last book revealed, and it confirms the previous books revealed!
And if someone at this age tries to call him self a prophet there is a very easy way to tell if he is or not.
You tell him to walk on the water, if he is real prophet than he wont sink, but if he is not than he will.
Jaawan
Till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**©
I agree with Lucifer.
No forthcoming of Jesus.
No massiha is arriving or arrived.
No Dajjal gonna appear.
simply, we just dOn't find anything related to these disputed issues in Quran.
And the answer to your unanswered question:
Muhammad is the last prophet(KHATAM UN NABIYEEN) because he was given prophet-hoodness after JESUS......so it doesn't matter who dies later or earlier. Get it.
Think of this way....Clinton dies before Bush....so Clinton would known as the last KHOTA of US.
Asalam-u-alaikum
k, so u guyz are saying that if Jesus dies last, so he should be given the title of Khatam-ul-Nabeeyat
As far as i know, this means that the person given this title would be the last prophet born,and after him no other prophet will be born. ALLAH SAYS, HE finished the naboowat on Muhammad(saw) and began imaamat!!
As far as my knowledge is concerned, this word means that after This prphet no other prophet will be BORN(please note the word im using BORN), and Jesus crist is not going to come back by reBirth…but he will come back with 4 angels around him and a sword to kill dajal. Mohammad(saw) waz the last prophet to be BORN! after him no prohphet will be Born and thats why Nabi Akram Salallah Ho Alai-he Wasalam gets the title of Khatam-u-Nabiyaat
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--------------The Problem
Jaawan: Allah says in quran that mohammad is the last messenger
Koran : ''Children of Adam! If there should come to you Messengers from among you, relating to you My signs, then whosoever is godfearing and makes amends- No fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.''
Aliph : Muhammad is the last prophet (KHATAM UN NABIYEEN)
M. Picthall : Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.
Yousaf Ali : Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things.
Sher Ali : Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of ALLAH, and the seal of the Prophets and ALLAH has full knowledge of all things.
Arberry : Muhammad is not the father of any one of your men, but the Messenger of God, and the Seal of Prophets; God has knowledge of everything.
Daryabadi : Muhammad is not the father of any of your males, but the apostle of Allah and the seal of the prophets; and Allah of everything is ever the Knower.
Pir Salahuddin : Muhammad is no father of any man among you. He is rather the Messenger of Allah, and the seal of prophets. Remember that ALLAH has full knowledge of all things...
---------------The Solution:
Mufardaat of Raaghib, The most authentic dictionary of the Koran, Under the word Khatam:
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'' Khatam and taba' are used in two ways, as khatamto and taba'to as masdar, which means to effect, like a stamp or a ring leaves a print, and secondly, as the effect gained by the print.''
Abu abdullah Trimzi, in * Kitab khaatamul auliya*, (page 341):
'' The person who is blind thinks that khatamun nabiyyeen means that He, on whom be peace, have been decsended in the end. What is the merit in this meaning? What is the knowledge in this meaning? This taweel is of the Stupid and the Ignorant.
Tafseer Fatehul beyaan, one of the most authentic of the commentries, under the phrase khaatamun nabiyeen:
''Khaatam means finger-ring stamp in arabic, and according to it, the holy Prophet, on whom be peace, has been used as a finger-ring for the prophets, with which, they are stamped, and they obtain beauty from it.''
(In 6th Century Arabia, Finger rings were used as stamps, containing the signature of the bearer on their face.)
Abul Hasnaat of Lucknow, in Dafe'ul waswaas fi asre ibne abbas, page 16:
''After him, or in his age, it is not impossible that there be a Prophet. However, it is impossible to be of a new Shariah.''
Qasim Nanatvi, summarizes the belief of all ahle sunnat, in tahzeerun naas, page 48:
''The Scholars of Ahle Sunnat clarify the fact, that in his era, no Prophet can be of a new Shariah. And the Prophet that arrives in his era, will be under the Shariah of Mohammad.''
Mother Aisha, the truthful, may God be pleased with her, quoted in Durre Mansoor, volume 5, page 604:
''Say, O people, for sure, he is the seal of prophets, but say not, there shall be no prophet after him.''
Ibne Arabi, the honourable, on whom be mercy of God, narrates in Fasoosul Hakam, page 141:
''Yes! God, the most high, being kind to his men, has kept the Common Prophethood remaining in them, which does not include a new Shariah.''
Abdul Wahab She'rani, on whom be mercy, wrote in yawaqeetul jawaahir, volume 2, page 35:
''Remember! Complete Prophethood has not ended! Only law-bearing Prophethood has ended.''
The twelvth Reformer, Shaikh Ahmad Sarhandi, on whom be mercy of God, writes in a letter, as filed in Matoobaate Imam Rabbani, Letter 301:
''After the prophethood of Khaatamur Rusul, if special followers recieve the completion of Prophethood as a heritage, it is not against him being Khaatamur Rusul. This is true. Do not doubt it. ''
.....So they turned away from him and said, '' A man tutored, possessed! ''
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Paagal Insaan!
[This message has been edited by Paagal Insaan! (edited June 18, 2000).]
What is this nonesense about believing in the Quran and not the Messenger(saw) that I keep on coming across on this forum.
Belief in Qur'an neccesitates that you follow the commands of the Messenger(saw).
To believe that it is not necessary to follow the Messenger(saw) implies disblief in the Qur'an.
And here are just a few proofs from the Qur'an itself.
"Oh you who believe, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and make not your deeds vain."(47:33)
"And We have sent you (O Muhammed)as a Messenger to mankind, and Allah is sufficient as a witness. He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah.."(4:79-80)
"It is not for a man and a woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have an option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in plain error."(33:36)
Did anyone say here they don't believe in the Messenger? What is the above thread about? Would anyone help me out?
.....So they turned away from him and said, '' A man tutored, possessed! ''
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Paagal Insaan!
When I said not believing in the Messenger, it doesn't mean that someone rejects that he was a prophet from Allah, but rather rejection of his Sunnah and his commands.
Dear Salafi, this thread is about a different topic. None of us taking part in the discussion have rejected the sunnah. Infact there has been no mention of the sunnah in the entire thread. How was your post related to it? I am still confused.
.....So they turned away from him and said, '' A man tutored, possessed! ''
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Paagal Insaan!
Yaar ure right.. Jesus is still alive .. making merry with god for about 2000 years ... how logical .. And I wish Jesus Chirst a happy journey across the centuries...
Good luck Jesus
Hope ya come back soon and show us the maricles ... hahaha