Who can Lead Pakistan in this situation?

We are all aware of the current situations , we know our leaders and Politicians and the present regim in Gov’t.

Operation in SWAT was started in view of Some understanding with and compromise of MR.ZARDARI and in His Team in USA with the Authorities (Millitary and Political) there.

PM Gillani was advised by Mr. Zardari to Make some Public Speech and ask the Army to Start their Operation while Zardari was on visit to UK and the Rest.

APC was called after starting Operation to apparantly get approved the Ongoing Operation in SWAT.

Now backgrounds are being smoothen for Extending the operation to Other Parts of Trible Belt like South and North Wazirastan Agencies , how ever first Army has to wind up the operation in SWAT.

A considerable Majority of Pakistanis and Prominant Political Partieis have strong Reservations regarding the ongoing Operation.

Drone attackes are being condemned by Pakistan Foreign office , The Gov’t and The Masses as well , but USA still have continued to it.

Pak Army is Also Confused but still have to Back the Gov’t .

Who can lead Pakistan to Right Path.???

A leader to lead to what? What is the right path?

What I can't understand is why most Pakistanis do not see the obvious which the whole world is trying to explain to them. Unless you have good principles to start with you can't have good end results. An end goal of trying to bring “lslam” as the system can be seen right from outset an attempt doomed to failure by anyone with at least one brain cell in his head and some knowledge of how religion is exploited in politics. We will just keep getting Maulana Fazlullahs of sort for the rest of our lives if we don’t change this.

Start afresh, get to the very basics. Start with something good to work with and you’ll start getting good results. The largest super power did not become super power by being a religious state…200 years ago US was almost 0% of world economy and China and India were the biggest economies at the time. But US started with something good whose time had come. Their declaration of independence begins with “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal…”.

Pakistanis in contrast are still hostage to their tribal mindset which manifests itself as religious strives. Pakistanis complain of rising temperature at every step of the way but don’t want to accept or realise that they set their way leading to hell form the outset. Most Pakistanis are unable to look at bigger picture or if they are able to, they avoid it as it will not fulfil their dominating goals if they have to accept others as equals in the society.

So my advice is, for now dream on...with such a bad start as a goal of setting up a religious state, no leader can get you to anything great.

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Dude, try to back your rhetoric with some evidence. There are religious nations that are successful, example Israel, there are secular nations that have been utterfailures, plenty in Africa. Pakistan was created to safeguard teh rights of muslims of subcontinent and not for anyparticular type of system.

Jews are very coherent society against any aggression, they are hard-working, intelligent and on the top outrightly supported by Uncle-Sam. Where as Muslims are distintegrated driven by different cultures, customs, languages, sects, religious faith, ethinicity etc. Unfortunately Pakistan did not safeguard the rights of muslims even living in Pakistan and ultimately brokeup in 1971.

Quid vision was secular Pakistan not Islamic but later on all kinds of nonsenses started such as do qumi nazria, defaming and degrading Islam.

If Pakistan is to survive, it has to be SECULAR state not ISLAMIC. Religion should be freely practiced by what ever faith follow by Muslims in Pakistan. DO NOT IMPOSE BRAND OF RELIGION ON OTHERS LIKE TALIBAN.

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The word ' Who ' shows the nature of our nation. We always think of one King. The democratic system is on his way and although there is less experience but it is working very well. Any operation can not be taken up after making it public.

Because china is not an Islamic republic. CHina is not ruled my Muslims. Same is the case with India. Islam gives us a complete package.

You are only looking at material development which even Islam encourages. How can the social side be neglected.

Its not Islam, its the lack of understanding of Islam which is a problem.

You have people like Fazalullahs and fazalurRehmans because there never has been a sincere effort by the state to make people understand their own religion - Islam that provides solutions for the whole humanity.

Since you are so fond of superpowers, go back in history and read about an empire that started from the shores of Atlantic to present day Pakistan and beyond. They had a system also. Many basic sciences were developed there yet they also implemented shariah of Muhammad (pbuh).

So don't fool people by preaching secularism. Secularism was dead when the Objective Resolution became part of Pakistan's constitution.

What likes of you are doing is making a futile effort to secularize the minds. Try changing the Quran first.

So do qaumi nazria came after the creation of Pakistan... Give me a break!

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On the eve of September 11, 2001, the country was a pariah state under a military ruler — impoverished, bankrupt, a source of proliferating nuclear technology and a state using jihadis to further its regional territorial interests.
The 1990s had ended as what many termed a ‘lost decade’ in which a population bomb had exploded. Seven years and $10bn after 9/11, there is enormous international goodwill. There is noise and chaos of a democracy. Following the inflating and bursting of a real estate and stock market asset bubble, the economy is again in despair. A double game has ended as a political consensus appears to be developing against Islamic militancy. Large parts of the NWFP are still outside government control.

Since 9/11, 30 million people have been born — a generation that risks a strong probability of witnessing in their lifetimes cataclysmic events of a type only their ancestors would have seen a century earlier, that fateful summer of 1947 when ‘…violence spread from one part of Lahore to another like a plague. There must have been trained gangs of thugs moving from one place to another. It was hard to reconcile these bloody events with the nature of our life in pre-partition Lahore,’ writes celebrated Indian painter Krishen Khanna in a piece for the book Beloved City: Writings on Lahore edited by Bapsi Sidhwa.
‘No one could have imagined that entire populations would be bludgeoned out and rendered homeless and such cruelty and barbarity would prevail amongst Punjabis,’ Khanna, a blue-blooded Lahori who studied at Government College and spent many childhood days in the shadow of Kim’s Gun in front of the Lahore Museum, tells us. No one probably imagined it on the eve of partition in 1947, and no one can today imagine the possibility of such a scenario erupting again in, say, 2047. Luckily for Khanna, the process of partition ended. He was able to revisit Lahore in 1988 during the First International Biennale of Arts and sketch the cannon in drawings and abstract paintings. On the other hand, the crisis towards which we are now headed does not have a happy ending.
A regional scramble for water is set to begin — with the Himalayan glacial melt — that begins in as little as 10 years from now. The country will have yet another 30 million people by that time. A predicted deluge, followed by water shortages, desertification, and climate refugees are only some of the expected outcomes. Pakistan is going to be hit hard. By some accounts the Cholistan desert is expected to expand — reaching to the outskirts of Sahiwal.
In the interest of its people, Pakistan will need to enter this very challenging era as a significant economic and military power. After losing the last two decades, the next 10 years probably represent the last window of opportunity. Pakistan will need to urgently build on four of its existing strengths if it is to stand a fighting chance of survival in the several difficult decades beginning as early as 2020.
The first of these strengths is the mountain of international goodwill that presently exists for Pakistan. This will not last for ever. This is an opportunity for Pakistan to harness this tide in its own favour to position itself as a significant player for the power politics of the water scramble that lies ahead. Put bluntly, Pakistan needs to look beyond seeking handouts that barely keep its head above the water. Regardless of assurances that ‘we wronged you and we will not walk away’ this window is open only for a while. In a fast-changing world, no US administration can guarantee what future US interests and priorities will be.
In the larger scheme of things, a Pakistan that is unable to take back control of its territory from non-state actors and deny its soil for their activities will find this goodwill beginning to evaporate. It will find it hard to justify possessing and holding on to its nuclear weapons. In time the world may well find a solution to resolve this dilemma. A Pakistan without nuclear weapons in which Islamic militant and other vigilante groups and warlords control dwindling water resources will not be a worry for the United States. It will not be a worry for a powerful next-door India that will be able to trample on the Indus water treaty in the absence of a credible state.
The military is conscious of the fact that the activities of militant Islamists can degrade the capacity of the state to function; it can injure society and impose unacceptable costs on the economy. This ultimately depletes the nation’s economic and war potential. It is also conscious that Pakistan’s perception as a declining power would make it a less attractive partner for the US, France, Iran and even China.
A wise old man who lives on top of a mountain once said: ‘Carry a big stick, but speak softly.’ In this sense, our nuclear arsenal (together with a powerful military) represents the second strength. In terms of a packing list for the future, we will need this big stick when the water scramble begins. We will not need the Taliban. Clearly, therefore, Pakistan had to make a choice between its Islamists and its nuclear arsenal. At last week’s APC, it chose correctly.
The third strength is this country’s energy, agriculture and trade corridor potential — representing an opportunity to develop the economic elements of national power. Pakistan has to get to work on developing its Thar coal assets — using clean coal technologies. Seawater agriculture is an emerging technology that needs to be explored. In agriculture, high-value crops, improvement of soil carbon content, efficient irrigation technologies and forestation along canals should be priority areas when asking our friends to help.
Our fourth strength is a nascent, imperfect and chaotic democracy, one that is dominated by flawed but still, relatively secular parties. Pakistan must consolidate its present gains and evolve its imperfect political system and culture into democratic institutions that are able to deliver what Political Science 101 says a political system should: determine who gets what, when, where, how and why. Impressively Pakistan’s ‘fragile’ democracy has addressed at least one question correctly, when it built a consensus for Pakistan to fight back.
For the two riparian neighbours — both military and economic powers — water wars will be averted by domestic economic factors as much as the strength of their democracies. Domestic conflict will be averted by strengthening, particularly last-mile delivery, of governance and the distribution of public goods. This window is open for a while only. The post Taliban era must soon begin. There is a lot of work ahead.](“http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php”)

Abu Baker Sadiq , Usman Ghani , Umer Farooq and Hazrat Ali were True Religious Leaders and They have ruled over People, of one Religion NAMED as ISLAM , they Believe in Muhammad as Prophet and Quran as their Holy BOOK (Which the Muslims Claim free of any type of alterations since last 1500 years, and No one in the world today can prove their claim false today).

Rusia have been super Power for decades and was successful Country , whose leaders even donot believe in GOD.

China is another example of Secular Country.

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^^ thats something new,,, Russia a successfull country.... Russia was only succssful in killing and silencing its own nation.

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army chief?..he is the only available option rite now..this present setup of govt is 100% failure with stories of corruption of zardari and his gang r now known to many people..ppp has always been the security risk for pakistan..a gang of smugglers,thiefs etc..huh

people r very frustrated in pakistan..there is no administration and leadership..prime minister is a cartoon..our ministers r visiting topless in foreigh visits huh..
i believe tht this govt must be kick away otherwise it will destroy pakistan as ppp is good only in corruption and talwa chatna of america

Ayu Khan a Marshel Law Administrator , Zia Ul Haq anoth dictator and Pervez Musharaf third one which i can name only ,

What were the fruits and what are the Fruits of their Ruling on Pakistan , I think at least our People should know this and the ignorant should be awared of it.

I think the VERY LOYA Forces of Pakistan have good FAVOUR in the Hearts of the People of Pakistan............... But when they interfere in the ISSUES of CIVILIANS then they are hatered and the whole image of our FORCES becomes worse and MASSES starts pointing on them.

When a NEWLY COMMISIONED army officer SWEARS that he will not INDULGE In Politics , then he should keep his words and OATH.

And Today's Super Power is very Nobel and Killing No one.

Who attacked on IRAQ,?
Who is responsible for attackes on Afganistan?
The todays situations in Pakistan originates from where?

9/11 , 2000 Al Qaeeda made the attackes on Twin Towers in USA , the worls super could not succeded in Proving that who were behind the attackes , just they blamed on the same very day their opponents and next day attacked them................... AS THEY SUPER POWER ........... AND HENCE SUCCESSFUL COUNTRY?

Ya , the OBAMA regim initiative for Closing Gaunthnamo Bay and American Peoples vote against Bush Policies Could be Appricaiated.

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Super power is killing because you guys are too stupid to become super power and defend yourself. That is what I am trying to explain to you, don't be stupid and keep trying to make a religious state as this will not work and you will only self destruct in the process due to sectarian strife.

Dude! you say that pakistan was only created to safe guard the rights of the muslims. ok? but not for any particular system. well what do you say about the main theme of "Pakistan ka matlab kia? La Ilaha Illallah?"

ehh?

i wonder why ppl try to confuse the main system for which pakistan was made. we say this becoz we have not yet given any sacrifice for pakistan nor we know the meaning of this word. the true meanings were known by those muslims who migrated and sacrificed their everything for Islam and Pakistan.

unless and until we do not change ourselves according to true Islam, not like taliban but true Islam free of extremism then we could not succeed nor today Pakistan has any good and sincere leader.

yes there are many ppl still in this nation who are very sincere to the country but the corruption prevents them from advancing and moving forward to sincerely work for the nation and Pakistan.

there are many traitors who prevent them from doing so. which must be eliminated first

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Somehow the Zardari and co doesnot seem to be the leaders that i would want for pakistan in times that we are going through. I truly doubt zardari takes the steps he does with best interests of pakistan in his mind rather than his own.I mean this is the guy who lived in jail for most part for beign Mr 10% and now all of sudden we should trust him not to be a crook? Obtuse democracy is operating in pakistan, the guy went without calling a parlimentary meeting to america, discussed the situation in swat , came back pro operation and somehow i am suppose to buy that this is last choice available. Stinks. The democracy is a bloody joke in pakistan and zardari is the living walking proof of it.

Ya , You are right it is we the Masses who elects this people , See in PPP the main stream Political Party and Being Hijecked by one Person for his Personal interests .

See these are we the Masses who remains at home on the day of Election and waits for Results.

I thing if we will keep oneself aware from the Actual Turn Ratio in the Electrions , we will see a huge no. of Registered Voters who did not go for voting , which in turn Brings sufferings to us the common man.

Only Some OLD FACES are changing their positions , once one is MNA and othertime the Other one........... Very little no. of New FACES are Emerging in our Democratic set up.

But from where these Young Leaders will come , when our Institutes have no Democratic Systems , Where like UK , USA and other Developed Countries Students have Unions and Elections and Youngsters are groomed for Leader Ship.

A very best Example can seen in Form of USA President Mr.Obama who emerged from his Intitute Students Union.

Good, You are literally 100% right , as i think you know and believe that (Urdu) " Gees ke lathee Eos kee Bhenus" , how can a super power be super Power if they will not kill innocent people.

Can you Please tell the World of PEACE where are the Weapons of Mass Destriction in IRAQ , without any proofs you invaded Iraq?

Can you prove otherwise? Did that faulty nazria existed before partition? For the argument sake even if I agree that it existed before partition, it was more faulty than after the creation of Pakistan because more Muslims were living in India in 1947 than in combined East and West Pakistan. How do you apply this faulty nazria then? Breakup in 1971 hammered the final nail in the "coffin of your do qaumi nazaria." This was jargon created by then politicians belonging to Punjab, JI, and dictators to dominate one province over entire East and West Pakistan.