uzee you want sceince to agree with religen both are for different purposes one to solve physical problem other for spirtual.
there is nothing wrong to believe humans are created in the
image of god.
First of all…
know what science is::::
according to dictionary.com
SCIENCE is
-The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
-Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.
-Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.
Islam is the Universal religion for men of understanding …as Allah says:
Verily, in the creation of the Heavens and the Earth, and in the alternation of the night and day, and the ships that sail through the sea with that which is of benefit to human-kind, and the rain which God sends down from the sky and makes the earth alive therewith after its death, and the moving (living) creatures of all kinds that He scatters therein, and in the changes in the direction of the winds, and the clouds which are held between the sky and the earth, are indeed signs for a people of UNDERSTANDING [Quran 2:164]
so in conclusion…science is based on facts…and every aspect of islam can be proven true by all fields of science…it makes sense also..
ASK YOURSELF THIS…HOW CAN proven FACTS CONTRADICT TRUTH…
it cannot…same way…the scientific facts cannot contradict with Islam
It is Allah who created everything in a perfect Manner and it is He Who knows how everything operates and fnctions in the heavens and the earth…AND it is ALLAH who sent this beautiful way of life to mankind (an-naas) …
Science is based upon ‘physical facts’…while Islam is the TRUTH…
It is not an ideology..that doesn’t make sense.
Islam makes sense …and its teachings…that were given to us more than 1400 yrs ago…are being proven true by different fields of education…(meaning as men are getting more and more educated …the more they find Islam as being the TRUTH)
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Its time for you to go and learn …
science proves that The Creator of the Universe has to be Unique…unlike any other being…
For instance, the American astrophysicist Hugh Ross proposes a Creator of universe, Who is above all physical dimensions as:
By definition, time is that dimension in which cause-and-effect phenomena take place. No time, no cause and effect. If time’s beginning is concurrent with the beginning of the universe, as the space-time theorem says, then the cause of the universe must be some entity operating in a time dimension completely independent of and pre-existent to the time dimension of the cosmos. …It tells us that the Creator is transcendent, operating beyond the dimensional limits of the universe. It tells us that God is not the universe itself, nor is God contained within the universe.
Hugh Ross, The Creator and the Cosmos: How Greatest Scientific Discoveries of The Century Reveal God, Colorado: NavPress, revised edition, 1995, p. 76]
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The Quran. Surat Fusialt (Sura Number 41) (Verse Number 53)
{We shall show them Our portents on the horizons and within
themselves until it will be manifest unto them that it is
the Truth. Doth not thy Lord suffice, since He is Witness
over all things?}**
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Say (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)): "He is Allâh, (the) One.
"Allâh-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).
"He begets not, nor was He begotten;
“And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him.” **
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
uzee you want sceince to agree with religen both are for different purposes one to solve physical problem other for spirtual.
there is nothing wrong to believe humans are created in the
image of god.
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Mods: This is not off topic! Try to see the logic why this is applicable here, please.
rivkz:
You keep trying to use the logic : 1. All religions are the same. 2. Islam is a religion.
You have to understand that at a very basic level that a majority of muslims disagree with that. If you want to communicate, then you should make an effort to understand why they would not be able to understand what you are saying. Start with the word "secular" and see how the muslims translate it and why?
The most basic point is that in Islam and for most muslims there is only one law and that is Sharia. There is no civil law, religious law or canon law, spiritual law, etc. First grasp that notion. There is really only one law and that is the Divine law as laid down by the Quran and interpreted over the years by the very knowledgble 'Ulema'. Once you have that then try to separate the life of muslim into 'spiritual' and 'worldly' domains and you should quickly realise that it cannot be cleanly done because the organizing principles as codified by the underlying laws overlap a lot. For example: Saying the prayers five times a day is required and a "spiritual" aspect of Islam. Most non-muslims never understand that and try to relegate the prayers as rituals and into the domain of "worldly". Anyway, once you grasp that, then read uzees statement again. Hopefully you will see the potential for conflict between "Science" and Islam, and why it is necessary to resolve this consistently within the ambit of Islam. Harun Yayha attempts to do that for the science as known in 1950's. No one has followed him and tries to incorporate the findings of science within the boundaries that would be acceptable to Islam.
Scientific tests are always changing and so the answer you get today will change tommorow.
I don't rely on science as my yardstick as it is not consistent.
religen for spirtual and moral living. religen is belief because there many
religens but science is same for all religens . muslims and christians
dont read their own version of physics. law of physics is same
for all religens. no bdoy have to prove their religen in the lab.
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Scientific tests are always changing and so the answer you get today will change tommorow.
I don't rely on science as my yardstick as it is not consistent.
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ak47: You are right, and that is one reason why it makes Science so lethal to "religion". 1) It does not attempt to be stationary or consistent as you say. It merely tries to provide the "best" answer for the moment and then works very hard to improve it, which it often does. So its answers do keep changing but in a very funny way. They do not change erratically, but the changes incorporate all the previous answers in a consistent manner. 2) It never assumes that anything or any particular belief or statement has to be true. Everything and Anything can change. 3) It never attempts to communicate to any Religion at all. It pretends that they do not exist, and never attempts to develop a vocabulary to even attempt at communication with the religious scholars. When challanged it merely states that a particular investigation does not fall within its scope.
Although the net result of its cumulative efforts over the last 400 years have been quite detrimental to the health of many a religions.
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*Originally posted by ak47: *
Scientific tests are always changing and so the answer you get today will change tommorow.
I don't rely on science as my yardstick as it is not consistent.
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true...that scientific tests are always 'changing' ....but the change does not mean for most of the facts that it will totally take a new direction...
the facts that stay consistent and are expanding more in the study...
for ex. evolution as stated by darwin is proven wrong by the modern science. this study of the creation of the universe is expanding in knowledge and it did take a whole new dirction from the evolution theory.
and some of the 'THEORIES' or hypotheses that are made can be proven wrong if studied in depth....those are not facts and they do not COINCIDE with islam...
Rvkiz
Islam is comprehensive and excompasses all realms they are intertwined not seperate.
Islam encourages technology and science.
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*Originally posted by rvikz: * no bdoy have to prove their religen in the lab.
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really these arrogant scientists try and disproove there is a god all time!
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
religen for spirtual and moral living. religen is belief because there many
religens but science is same for all religens . muslims and christians
dont read their own version of physics. law of physics is same
for all religens. no bdoy have to prove their religen in the lab.
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YOU MISSED MY WHOLE POINT...
Islam is a universal 'way of life' ....and of course it is for the betterment of mankind...spiritual growth and moral living...
TRUE! THAT SCIENCE IS 'SAME' FOR ALL RELIGIONS...
we do not have our own versions of it...
what i was trying to say was that the study of science....coincides with only one true religion ISLAM....
we don't prove religion in a lab...
but the studies in the lab prove the religion...as being true....
!Get it for once!
I was saying that the scientific FACTS....
do not contradict to the teachings of Islam
for example....we Muslims are ordered to pray 5 times a day...
this is a way we can acheieve SUCCESS (Quranic word: Falah)
but also consider this that this prayer of ours has medical and helathy benefits,,...
the fasting in Ramadan has its medical and spiritual benefits ...
also read my post in this religion section "DISCOVERY OF HOW HEARTS FIND PEACE" ...A NEW discovery....that coincides with Allah's secret revealed in the Quran...that only in Remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest'''
also....there are tons and thousands of modern discoveries that coincide with the teaching of this beautiful wa of life islam....
so i was just trying to SIMPLY say that science facts support Islam...
because it is The religion sent by the same Creator Allah who has made everything in the heavens and the earth and all their functions!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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*Originally posted by lastknightess: *
I don't believe in 'evolution'..coz God created MAN..not monkeys who later became MAN...plus there IS prrof that thee were human like creatures how walked upright even in the days of the so called 'monkey men'
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Yeah, but they werent human yet, they simply possesed characteristics which we attribute to Humans..
We didnt evolve from Monkeys, Rather its we and the Monkeys and all other primates and apes who evolved from a single remote ancestor…
Its simply our egos that lead us to believe that we are so superior to other spedies that we could never possibly be related to them…