Re: Who Are the Shias…
Shia of Ali as i told before are the followers of Ali(as), right from Saqifa who believed him the rightful succerssor. If Ali(as) is wrong then im happy to be wrong.
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I read Nehjul-Balagha my self. My father bought that book. I came to know when I read only the traslation, I feel Sayyedna Ali is unhappy with his so called fellows (Shias). But when I read the expalnation, the meanings are really changed. What will you say now.
And I noted you wrote the names of other Shahbis without any respect. You only wrote Hazrat before the name of Sayyedna Ali. Then its mean I am right about what I wrote about Shiaism…
You targeted Sayyedna Umer so much, thats what I said in my first artical. The original target of Shias was/is to creat disturbence by blaming the Caliph. To get the attention and sympathies.
I know the others Blames you made on Sayyedna Umer, Sayyedah Aaisha, Sayyedna Abu-Bakr, Sayyedna Usman, also Sayyedna Ali and Sayyedna Hassan (May Allah be pleased with them all, and they should get place in Jannat-ul-Firdaus) Amen. But I will not write them here because they are just for creating disturbence and their is no logical proof behind them.
Should I open your sect more…
**And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, “Peace!(Salaam)”;
**Salaam.
Re: Who Are the Shias…
there is NO such hadith in Sahih al Bukhari despite your false claim… are you like the others here, citing references from books you haven’t even read??
here’s something on this hadith from the book, An Introduction to the Science of Hadith (Al-Quran Society, 1994), which i have and which you can also find online:
“I am the City of Knowledge, and 'Ali is its Gate.”
“Related by al-Hakim, al-Tabarani and others. It is also related by al-Tirmidhi with the wording, “I am the House of Wisdom, and 'Ali is its Door”. Al-Daraqutni labelled the hadith as mudtarib, both in isnad and text; al-Tirmidhi said it is gharib and munkar; al-Bukhari said that it has no sahih narration; Ibn Ma’in said that it is a baseless lie. Similar dismissals of the hadith are reported from Abu Zur’ah, Abu Hatim and Yahya b. Sa’d. Al-Hakim declared the original hadith as sahih in isnad, but Ibn al- Jauzi regarded both versions as maudu’, and al- Dhahabi agreed with him. Several of the later scholars, including Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, Ibn Hajar al-Makki and al-Suyuti declared it hasan due to its various routes of narration. Al- 'Ijlouni says, “… none of this devalues the consensus of the Adherents to the Sunnah from the Companions, the Successors and those after them, that the best of the Companions overall is Abu Bakr, followed by 'Umar …”, and quotes this view from Ibn 'Umar and ‘Ali himself, as recorded in Sahih al-Bukhari. Al-Albani declares the hadith to be maudu’.”
as you can see, its authenticity is hotly debated to say the least
Re: Who Are the Shias…
Again you have been infected by Naasbi virus and not coming to relevant point. If you have anything solid to say against what i posted or you think that u have better read the quotations then please cite it else no need for passing time out here passing childish comments !
I will again say that Sahabi Rehman bin Adees had role in the murder of Usman !
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I will again say that Sahabi Rehman bin Adees had role in the murder of Usman !
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I will not reject this because The Shias got strong in Sayyedna Usman rule. And as I read, they made a lot of people against him. They Blamed him so much, on his every act, they made people emotional by negative propaganda. So it is not amazing if any Sahabi was having role in the death of Sayyedna Usman.
And you are not respecting him and calling him Usman istead of Sayyedna Usman or Hazrat Usman!!!!
Bughsay Maviya (Rz) hai, Hub-e-Ali (Rz) Naheen
So what to say next???
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there is NO such hadith in Sahih al Bukhari despite your false claim... are you like the others here, citing references from books you haven't even read??
here's something on this hadith from the book, An Introduction to the Science of Hadith (Al-Quran Society, 1994), which i have and which you can also find online:
"I am the City of Knowledge, and 'Ali is its Gate."
"Related by al-Hakim, al-Tabarani and others. It is also related by al-Tirmidhi with the wording, "I am the House of Wisdom, and 'Ali is its Door". Al-Daraqutni labelled the hadith as mudtarib, both in isnad and text; al-Tirmidhi said it is gharib and munkar; al-Bukhari said that it has no sahih narration; Ibn Ma'in said that it is a baseless lie. Similar dismissals of the hadith are reported from Abu Zur'ah, Abu Hatim and Yahya b. Sa'd. Al-Hakim declared the original hadith as sahih in isnad, but Ibn al- Jauzi regarded both versions as maudu', and al- Dhahabi agreed with him. Several of the later scholars, including Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, Ibn Hajar al-Makki and al-Suyuti declared it hasan due to its various routes of narration. Al- 'Ijlouni says, "... none of this devalues the consensus of the Adherents to the Sunnah from the Companions, the Successors and those after them, that the best of the Companions overall is Abu Bakr, followed by 'Umar ...", and quotes this view from Ibn 'Umar and 'Ali himself, as recorded in Sahih al-Bukhari. Al-Albani declares the hadith to be maudu'."
as you can see, its authenticity is hotly debated to say the least
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Bro Guppy, if you dont have knowledge, why you show it. I have read 3 Volumes of Sahih Bukhari, 3 volumes of Mushquat Shareef, Nehjul-Balagha, Al-Farooq, Muslim Philosophy for BA, Persian Litrature, and the most trustworthy book Qur'an with translation.
So if you want to talk about something, want to give opinion, want to critique, first read those books carefully then do what you want to do.
Salaam
About the Lame Blames I will only quote some ayahs.
Surah Alhujraat, Chapter no. 49.
O ye who believe! Avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin: And spy not on each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would abhor it...But fear Allah: For Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
and.........
*O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done. *
Re: Who Are the Shias…
what are you talking about?
Re: Who Are the Shias…
Bro I quoted the Hadith from Sahih Bukhari…
**I am the city of knowledge, Ali is the Gate, Umer is the Walls and Abu-Bakr is Roof of this City.
**This Hadith is to show the importance step by step. Do you know the Ranks???
Here they are quite briefly…
**1) Nabu’at (Prophethood)
2) Sidiqain (Who Testify)
3) Muhadas {(Not Mohadis) To whom God speak directly, but not in form of Voice}
4) Shuhuda (Marterd, Witness)
5) Soofia
6) Mutaqeen (Nobel Persons)
**So Sayyedna Abu-Bakr is Sidique, Sayyedna Umer is Muhadas, Sayyedna Usman is Shahid and Sayyedna Ali is Soofi.
You know some ayahs follow the will of Sayyedna Umer. Examples are…
**a)Ayat-e-Hijab.
b)Ayats about asking permition if someone is sleeping, about asking permition about entering in someone house/room.
c) Ayats about Namaaz-e-Jannaza of Hypocrates(Munafiqs)
and many more. May Allah be pleased with him and guide me to follow his path. Amen
**
Re: Who Are the Shias…
there is NO (i repeat ‘NO’) such hadith in Sahih al Bukhari
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still can’t read… his name is Abdul Rahman ibn Udays (not Rehman bin Adees)… no wonder you are having such difficulty understanding what’s going on
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Dont care how you spell it. The main thing is his role in the murder of Usman !
Its just like saying
**Bughsay Abu Jahel (Rz) hai, Hub-e-Rasool Allah (s) Naheen **
strange isnt it !
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Dont care how you spell it. The main thing is his role in the murder of Usman !
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I already answerd it!!!
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**I will not reject this because The Shias got strong in Sayyedna Usman rule. And as I read, they made a lot of people against him. They Blamed him so much, on his every act, they made people emotional by negative propaganda. So it is not amazing if any Sahabi was having role in the death of Sayyedna Usman.
And you are not respecting him and calling him Usman istead of Sayyedna Usman or Hazrat Usman!!!!**
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And may be it is another Lame Blame on any Sahabi, as it is hobby of Shias. God knows better.
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Again incorrect conjecture. Shia of Ali [as] was not at all powerful during the rule of ur 3rd caliph. Do u meant to say Ali [as] made alot of people against him and subsiquently murdered him ? Or if you want to say that they were not the followers of Ali [as] then no need to call him Shia as it doesnt make any sense.
You are acceping here that Sahaba went against Usman and murdered him , then why do Naasbis always keep shouting to follow Sahaba (each & every) as all were Aadl (just)??? What about the fate of those murderers Sahjaba then ? why there is so many contradictions in ur school ?
btw the names of those who took part in anti-Usman campaign were respected ones among your school .
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Re: Who Are the Shias…
once you’ve learnt to read peoples names correctly then hopefully soon in a few months or years depending on how quick a learner you are you can move on to more complex historical texts like the many-paged discussions on Uthman’s (r) death… context, motive, authenticity, roles etc. etc… don’t try to run before you can walk, you’ll only end up flat on your face
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^ do u have a habit of focusing on the the irrelevent stuff? what's names when youve got the ruddy content?
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Irrelevant advices are not welcomed. Again i damn care who spells what while the meaning understood by both parites. I m not going to be childish and start making fun if some1 wrote Raheem as Rahim.
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^ if you can't even read someone's name (i even told you what the correct rendition was and still you managed to get it wrong!!) you don't inspire much confidence in being able to read correctly and understand anything else on the same page or surrounding pages... the text is obviously over your head... so people should take ANYTHING you quote from historical texts with a huge pinch of salt as (1) you are either copying-and-pasting blindly or (2) you can't read properly... take your pick ;-)
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whichever it is, hes making a valid point, which you seem to be avoiding so obviously and carefully. :-)
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what's "valid" about his point?