Who are the Shia?

WHO ARE THE SHIA?

Shi’isms fundamental basis–the cornerstone of its religion–is its principle of reviling, abusing and rejecting the Sahaabah of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). The murderers of Hadhrat Uthmaan (Radiallahu Anhu) realized that their politically and nafsaani inspired movement can never be successful as long as the authority of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam’s) Sahaabah is retained. They had, therefore, no alternative other than raising the structure of Shi’ism on the basis of opinion which necessitated the denial of the authority of the Companions of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). They thus propagated the doctrine of the rejection of the Sahaabah with brutal blasphemy, conspiracy, murder,. fraud and fabrication of statements which they shamelessly attributed to Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). Their religion is based on the vilification of those whom Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) loved so dearly and whose authority is established, not on the basis of opinion and love, but on the basis of Divine Directive. Without the Sahaabah there can be no Islam, no Quraan, no Sunnah, no Shariah, no Imaan. The Deen of Allah Ta’ala came to us and to all and will continue to travel to the end of time by means of Naql (authoritative and authentic narration), the first link in the chain of narration and transmission joining us with Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) being the noble Sahaabah. But, Shi’ism has broken that very first and vital link with Nabi-e-Kareern. They thus have no Shar’i authority and no Shar’i proof for their beliefs of the nafs. The way they have sought to overcome this hurdle is by their doctrine of fabricating ahadith to substantiate their claims.

Nifaaq or hypocrisy is a principle of the Shi’i religion. They technically term such hypocrisy as taqiyah which means the permissibility to conceal one’s true beliefs for the sake of any expediency. Thus they attribute even such hypocrisy to Hadhrat Ali (Radiallahu Anhu). It is the Shi’i belief that although Hadhrat Ali (Radiallahu Anhu) believed that Hadhrat Abu Bakr and Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhuma) usurped the Khilafat and deliberately betrayed Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi Wasallam), he nevertheless pledged loyalty to these senior Sahaabah on account of some political expediency. This blatant baatil and blasphemy attributed to Hadhrat Ali (Radiallahu Anhu) exhibits the crookedness of Shi’i mentality.

The Shiahs who have gone out of their way to belittle the Sahaabah and to drop them from the pedestal of authority which the Shariah assigns to them can never be the lovers of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) nor can Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) have love for such miscreants of belief. About such hatred for his Sahaabah, Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said:

“Those who hate the Sahaabah, hate them because (in reality) they hate me.”

It is a Shi’i contention that the great Sahaabah, especially Hadhrat Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthmaan, etc. (Radiallahu Anhum) did not understand the teachings of Nabi-e-Kareern (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). They further shamelessly and blasphemously assert that these illustrious Khulafa Raashideen are usurpers, frauds, fabricators of ahadith and wholly incompetent in Deeni matters. Indeed, the La’nat of Allah Ta’ala must be on such slanderers as the Shi’i clergy who make such wicked assertions. Inspite of their slander being shocking and despicable in the extreme, it is not surprising, since they are the worst fabricators and frauds peddling their nafsaani opinions in the name of Islam and attributing it to Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). They have accused the Sahaabah of being involved in conspiracies to eliminate Islam and supplant it with the Arab tribal systems of the time of jaahiliyyah. The blasphemous drivel which clutters their books and preachings exhibits their wickedness and detestation for the Islam of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam).

Inspite of the open venom which the Shiahs spit against the Sahaabah, the ignorant supporters of the Shiahs among the Ahle Sunnah expect the Ulama to raise slogans of brotherhood and to fabricate a common basis and a common platform of fraternity with the haters of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam’s) Companions. They expect the Ummah of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) to unite with those whose very religion is reared on hatred for the Sahaabah. No, that can never come to pass. The enemies of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam’s) Sahaabah can never be the friends and the brothers of the Ahle Sunnah. There is no apologetism in our capital for such Ventures. We know of no diplomacy and recognize no expediency for such vile brotherhood. If unity and brotherhood with all and sundry are of such importance, let the supporters of the Shi’i clergy advocate unity and brotherhood with shaitaan and Qaadianism as well.

We unequivocally maintain that those (the Shiahs) who claim that Hadhrat Zubair, Talha and Aishah (Radiallahu Anhum) are jahannami (inmates of the fire) are our enemies. In fact, they Themselves are jahannami. Only those standing in line to be condemned to Jahannam can be so shameless as to say that these illustrious Sahaabah among the Ash’arah Mubashsharah and the beloved wife of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) are jahannami. May Allah Ta’ala save us from uttering such kufr.

Muslims should now realize that it is haraam to support in any way the Shiahs. Support for Khomeini and the Shi’i clergy is support offered to the enemies of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). Shi’ism falls within the purview of the following statements of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam):

“My Ummah will be split into 73 sects. Of these, all but one, will be in the Fire.” (Tirmizi)

What does the intelligence and lmaan of Muslims direct and conclude? Does the Imaan of a Mu’min opine that the Shiahs are in the Naaji (that which will be saved) group or the Sahaabah? Will the Sahaabah be in the one sect which will go to Jannat or in the 72 sects condemned to hell? Will the Shiahs be dispatched to Jannat and Hadhrat Aishah, Zubair, Talha, Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthmaan (Radiallahu Anhum) to Jahannum as the Shi’i clergy asserts? What does your Imaan tell you? Who will be in Jahannum? The beloved wives and Sahabah of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) or the Shi’i clergy.

Go read you own history mister,
your so called great sahabas Hazrat Omar, Abu Bakr and Osman got to be truely great!
coz they always seemed to run away from battle fields !

go read you OWN history dear and then come and talk.......whatever you have stated above is nothing but baseless crap....

we dont hate sahabas
we love them.......more then you could imagine
they only ppl we hate are munafeqeen who were dressed as shabas of Prophet (pbuh)!!!

[This message has been edited by ramesha (edited August 07, 2000).]

Salafi, i don't understand how U can make such a claim. have U heard any shia say such a thing?! I'm sunni who has as many sunni friends as shia's. I've never heard them say anything like that, but I have heard sunni's say such things about Imam Hussain(RA).

shia people do not believe that the some sahabas will go to hell, but they believe that they weren't as good as the sunnis think they are, and should not be thought of as higher than the ahl-e-bayt. U tell me, who knows U better than Ure own family?! so wouldn't the family of the prophet(pbuh) know him better than Imam abu bakr(RA), and the rest. But I'm not saying that he was bad and should be cursed whenever mentioned, but I am saying that U can't take away the respect away from the ahl-e-bayt that is due to them.
wasalam


"There as many ideas in the minds of men and women as there are stars in the sky, it is your job to hold on to one and make it come true"
Anonymous

Salam,
I simply want to know why the Shia's do not give respect to Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA). He was the companion of The Prophet (PBUH) from his youth.
Did not the Prophet(PBUH) make Abu Bakr(RA) The Imam to lead prayers when he himself was ill?. If Abu Bakr was not a righteous muslim then Why Would RasoolAllah(PBUH) make him the Imam?? Why then do the Shias believe that it was not correct of Abu Bakr(RA) to become Caliph?
Ahl-e-Sunnah The sunni you heard say something insulting about Hazrat Hussain(RA) was doing something wrong too. There are extremist people everywhere. Sunni's Do Not insult Anyone of the Companions or Blood Related people of the Holy Prophet(PBUH).

Allah Hafiz


[This message has been edited by Acha Bacha (edited August 08, 2000).]

acha bacha, I know that there are ext people all over...ok now on to the point. Abu Bakr(RA) was not an aqcuintance of the Prophet(pbuh) from child hood, that was Imam Ali(RA).
and the Prophet(pbuh) never said that Imam Abu Bakr(RA) was the caliph after him, and he did not lead the prayers when the Prophet(pbuh) was ill, read the thread in U sunni's don't know much about islam.
laterz, and ask a11shah what teh shia kalima is cuz I'm sunni, so can't help U there
laterz


"There as many ideas in the minds of men and women as there are stars in the sky, it is your job to hold on to one and make it come true"
Anonymous

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"My Ummah will be split into 73 sects. Of these, all but one, will be in the Fire." (Tirmizi)

What does the intelligence and lmaan of Muslims direct and conclude? Does the Imaan of a Mu'min opine that the Shiahs are in the Naaji (that which will be saved) group or the Sahaabah? Will the Sahaabah be in the one sect which will go to Jannat or in the 72 sects condemned to hell? Will the Shiahs be dispatched to Jannat and Hadhrat Aishah, Zubair, Talha, Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthmaan (Radiallahu Anhum) to Jahannum as the Shi'i clergy asserts? What does your Imaan tell you? Who will be in Jahannum? The beloved wives and Sahabah of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) or the Shi'i clergy. **

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Very thought provoking statement. A very precise answer indeed.

Well, few months back while my stay in NY, I spent some time with Shias, and had a chance to listen to some audio cassettes from Maulana Tahir ul Jahuri (??)..who I presume plays a key figure in Shia community. Though he is a very articulate person, and have a strong command on religion, but on the other hand he is expert in manipulating empty minds. I am very keen observer, keeping myself neutral, I have noticed lots of stuff, which is not only against Islam, but also very abusive too. Sadly, the Sahabas, the Wives of the Prophet, the Prophet(saw) are targeted very daringly as if they are not even humans and are worse than animals. (I swear to Allah, I heard all this) In his speeches, there is no such thing as respect for others. All his speeches (which I have listened) are addresses in a very taunting and sarcastic tone. He shook the whole foundation of Islam for the sake of Imam Ali, Iman Hussan and Imam Hussain. These are the personalities on whom his all speeches revolve. There is not a single message for the moral and ethical upbringing of Islam, There is no such thing for the peace and tranquility in the whole world. The is not a single lesson for the unity of Islam. What is the use of such a faith?

I say he has very constrictive and concrete thoughts. Like some one walking in a tunnel, cant see right left up and down. Very narrow outlook.

I am not a racist or biased person, but as an outsider this is what I have observed personally. This is absolutely not the right venture to rejoin the whole world under one roof. All this will create more rifts and hatreds and nothing else. Shias are destroying their generations with your own hands. May Allah bless them.

My question to the above statement by Ahl-e-Sunnah is that;

  • Why not Wives of the Prophet(saw) be considered among ahl-e-bait,
  • Why not other three daughter’s of Prophet(saw) be considered among ahl-e-bait,
  • Why not Hadhrat Salman Farsi(ra) be considered as Ahl-e-Bait,

  • Why all other Ahl-e-baits are so much discriminated by Shias. Is it must? Or just an misunderstanding which created a split in generations, or it’s a deliberate act by outsiders?

  • Please note that Hadhrat Ayesha(ra) was the daughter of Hadhrat Abu Bakar Siddiq (ra), She was very dear to Holy Prophet(saw) for her exceptional intelligence and spiritual piety. A large part of Ahadith were narrated by her.

  • Please note, Hadhrat Hafsah(ra) was the daughter of Hadhrat Umar. She has the honor to safely keep the text of the holy Quran, in the sequence specified by the Holy Prophet.

  • Please note, the Prophet’s(saw) two daughters, Hadhrat Ruqayyah(ra) and Hadhrat Ummi-Khaltoom(ra) were married to Hadhrat ‘Uthman Ghani(ra) for which he was knows as Zul-Noorain, meaning one with two lights.

How dare can all these key personalities be humiliated for the sake of ego and self-esteem. This is very depressing. Lets review our beliefs and come closer.

PS: Ahl-e-Sunnah, where is the reference you promised me on the other thread?

Zalim,

well U should go to the thread where U posted that Q, cuz this other person has posted the answer, and I don't know what's up with the whole ahl-e-bayt thing, soo I think U should ask someone who is shia.

and about that imam, well there are ext sunni scholars, like those mullahs, and all...soo it's all over man.
laterz


"There as many ideas in the minds of men and women as there are stars in the sky, it is your job to hold on to one and make it come true"
Anonymous

Zalim;

It seems that you are now twisting the actual facts.

I guarantee you that the Shia Alim was not insulting the PROPHET'S WIVES, but was pointing out the insincerity and maliciosness of a couple of the PROPHET'S WIVES, namely Aisha and Hafza.

Have you even read the holy Qur'an Zalim because you seem to be void even of basic Islamic knowledge.

Hafsa has been scolded by Allah (swt) Almighty in the holy Qur'an for deceiving the holy prophet (pbuh). The event was so troublesome that Umar bin Khattab vowed to dis-own Hafsa, his daughter on the incident.

I will post the exact Quranic verse a little later.

Who are the Ahl-Bait you say ?

Ask Umm Salma, the righteous wife of the holy prophet (pbuh). Read your Sahih Bukhari, Muslim, and all regarding the event of the cloak, where the prophet brought Imam Ali (as), Fatima (as), Imam Hasan and Imam Husain (as) under his cloak and then prayed to Allah (swt) "These are my Ahl Bait - Purify them and send thy glory on them"

It is at this event that Ayat Tathir (as I stated in my posts earlier) was revealed, guaranteeing the sinlessness of the holy 5 Ahl Bait.

Have you read in the Qur'an the events of Munhaila, where a challenge was given to the Christians. The prophet was commanded by Allah (swt) to say "And bring thy men, and thy women, and thy children, and lets invke Allah's curse on the disbelievers"

The christians brought their men, their wives, and their children and so did the holy prophet. WHO DID THE PROPHET BRING ? Imam Ali represented the men, Fatima represented the women, and Hasan and Hussain represented the children.

WHERE WERE THE PROPHET'S WIVES ?

THEY ARE EXPLICITLY EXCLUDED FROM AHL-BAIT.

Opne your eyes Zalim. Time and time again, the holy prophet (pbuh) has told his ummat who the ahl bait are. The holy creations of Allah and guardians of Islam.

You have to read and understand the Qur'an and your sahihs otherwise you will continue to rant your beliefs based on what you were taught by unlearnt molvis.

Wa Salam

Salafi;

You and people like you are children of Yazid (Allah's curse be upon him).

Ignorant, uneducated, and dumb as shi*

Ahl_e_Sunnah, brother either you are pretending to be a pro-shia or a Shia in disguise, anyways, whatever your personal beliefs are I’m absolutely not interested in that. But your statements are quite lose at points.

Anyways what I wrote above is only in reply to the statement you passed so ‘confidently’ and so ‘assertively’, but now it seems that you are withdrawing from what you have said.

::: FIRST YOU SAID:* “…shia people do not believe that the some sahabas will go to hell, but they believe that they weren't as good as the sunnis think they are, and should not be thought of as higher than the ahl-e-bayt…”.*

::: THEN YOU SAID:* “…I don't know what's up with the whole ahl-e-bayt thing, soo I think U should ask someone who is shia…”.*

I don’t know what exactly you want to put across. Sorry I am a bit jahil insaan.

As far as my answer is concerned, I have opened up another thread for that, you can share you views precisely over there without going here and there, moreover in that regard I have read the reply from Ali Abbas too, in which he referred the Hadith number from Bukhari, unfortunately, in that Book there is no such tradition written, the references are absolutely ambiguous and does not exist in the book as mentioned. So please next time, when you atleast talk to me, finish you homework before you jump in any debate.

Laterz.

a11shah says: *”I guarantee you that the Shia Alim was not insulting the PROPHET'S WIVES, but was pointing out the insincerity and maliciosness of a couple of the PROPHET'S WIVES, namely Aisha and Hafza”.*

Shah jee, I have listened to this gentleman Maulna Jauhari by myself, wives of Holy Prophet is very minor point as compared to the insult of the Prophets as has sketched.. Above all, the position of Hadhrat Ali(ra) is given next to God and Holy Prophet and Angles all come after him. astagfarullah. If somehow I can get those cassettes, I will forward it to you…, you may then listen to it by yourself.

a11shah says: *”Hafsa has been scolded by Allah (swt) Almighty in the holy Qur'an for deceiving the holy prophet (pbuh). The event was so troublesome that Umar bin Khattab vowed to dis-own Hafsa, his daughter on the incident. ”.*

Yes please find the verse, I want to read that too.

a11shah says: *”Have you read in the Qur'an the events of Munhaila, where a challenge was given to the Christians. The prophet was commanded by Allah (swt) to say "And bring thy men, and thy women, and thy children, and lets invke Allah's curse on the disbelievers”.*

You mean Mubahila right? its in chapter al-imran, verse 62 (??) well if you read the old reference books, you will find the most true pictures.

Mubahala is a term of holy Quran, which means that when the claimant of God is rejected outright and no further room is left for a meaningful dialogue and argumentation, then both the parties - those who believe in him and those who reject him - should invoke the curse of Allah on the willful liars.

The reference as mentioned above is to the Christian deputation from Najran which consisted of 60 persons headed by their chief, Abdul-Masih, known as Al-Aqib. They met the Holy Prophet(saw) in the mosque and the discussion on the doctrine of the divinity of Jesus continued at some length. When the questions had been fully discussed and the deputation were found to be still insisting on their false doctrine, the Holy Prophet in obedience to the divine command, contained in this verse, invited them to the last resort to join him in prayer contest technically known as Mubahila.

On this occasion, the Holy Prophet brought out Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Hussain (Khamis & Zurqani) as well as abu-Bakar, Umar, Uthman and others (Asakir) in the field and is reported to have said, “if the Christians had accepted the challenge of mubahila….., God would have surely destroyed the liar before a year had passed”(Bukhari, Muslim & Tirmidhi)

I think you guys have tried to cross out extra words from the original books, of course for obvious reasons.

a11shah says: *”WHERE WERE THE PROPHET'S WIVES ? THEY ARE EXPLICITLY EXCLUDED FROM AHL-BAIT. ”.*

What an arrogant declaration, at least you must have some courtesy that these women were not ordinary women, they are Wives of the Prophet, the man for whom this whole universe was made, the man who is the most precious of His creations. It will not be out of place to say that you guys are brainwashed by your elders. Alas for the sake of your Imams, you can alter anything.

Good Show mister.

Hafsa has been scolded by Allah (swt) Almighty in the holy Qur'an for deceiving the holy prophet (pbuh). The event was so troublesome that Umar bin Khattab vowed to dis-own Hafsa, his daughter on the incident.

a11shah can you tell us the surah and the verse number you have read this scolding in the Holy Quran , don't make non sense remarks without references about Holy Quran in public , NEVER !!!!

Zalim;

As your name suggests, you are definitely that against your soul.

You claim that you cannot find the relevant hadiths in your own Sahihs which your greatest Ulemas have testified to and which millions have read. Yet now you conveniently cannot locate it. Good for you.

What a laugh to say that Abu Baker and the rest of the stooges were also part of the Mubaila event. Look into your history w/o bias and then tell me. Even if, for the sake of argument, they were present, they did not comprise the family which the holy prophet (pbuh) led to the scene. Only the Ahl-Bait, the holy five comprised the group representing Allah's ummat against the christians.

Do you say that all of the prophet's wives were virtuous ? If, so, that is not what the Qur'an says for it gives clear warnings to the prophet's wives. "For those who do good, for them will be double the reward. And for those who transgress, for them will be double the penalty".

This verse is explicitly for the prophet's (pbuh) wives since in their position of being the messenger's wives, they are expected to up-hold a high standard of Islamic behaviour.

The verse does not (and no where in the Qur'an) does it say that all the wives were righteous and that Allh (swt) was pleased with ALL of them. The same applies to the companions - NO WHERE IN THE QUR'AN DOES IT SAY THAT ALL THE COMPANIONS WERE GOOD.

I would appreciate it if you could take the time to read my posts titled "NOt all sahabahs were righteous" and "Umar and Aisha said that the Qur'an is in-complete" and then we will take it from there.

Also, stop propagating wahabi propgandas of how Shias praise Imam Ali (as) more than the prophet.

You have, and it seems like will never understand, what the position of the Ahl-Bait are in comparison to the companions of the prophet (pbuh). May Allah (swt) give you guidance.

The reason why Imam Ali (as) and the 11 imams (as) are loved and revered is because of the holy prophet's commandment to love and follow them. They are loved DUE to and not ASIDE from the prophet of Allah (pbuh). The source and glory of the Imams is derived from the their love and obedience to the seal of the prophets (pbuh).

Get that into you head. Don't teach me what shia alims preach as I have much experience in this matter.

To listen to a biased sunni tell the board what you heard from tapes, which I guarantee you, was praising the sinless qualities of Imam Ali (as) as the Lion of Allah (swt) and the holy prophet's chosen Imam for his ummat, is nothing more than hearing a child complaining of of something that his parents did not give him.

You heard praises of the holy imams and jumped to conclusions, as taught to you by your elders, that the imams are all that we love.

Praise be to Allah (swt) who has given mankind logic to deduce truth from falsehood.

So remember, the shais of Ali, the group of followers whom the prophet of Allah (pbuh) has said will enter paradise pleased, are those that:

Worship Allah (swt) and testify to the Almighty's majesty

La Illa ha illal La

Believe in the apostleship of Muhammed Mustafa, the seal of prophethood and the mightest messenger of Allah (swt), who was sent as a mercy and blessing to mankind

Muhammed dar Rasullah

Who believe in Imam Ali (as) as the holy Imam and true vicegerent of the prophet of Allah (pbuh), who was chosen to lead the ummat of the prophet (pbuh) as per the commandments of Allah (swt) and his holy messenger.

Ali yun Waliyullah (the declaration made by the prophet (pbuh) during the occassion of Ghadir Khum)

Who believe in Angels

And the completeness of the Qur'an

And in the hereafter

Shais send glad tidings to the righteous sahabas of the prophet (pbuh)

and to his righteous wives (pbuh)

I again respectfully ask you to go to my earlier posts of "NOT ALL SAHABAHS WERE RIGHTEOUS" and "UMAR AND AISHA SAY THAT THE QUR'AN IS INCOMPLETE" and provide your comments.

Read them with an open mind.

Wa Salam

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Originally posted by a11shah:
**Zalim;
What a laugh to say that Abu Baker and the rest of the STOOGES were also part of the Mubaila event. representing Allah's ummat against the christians.

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I have met shia on chat. when they typed the name Abu Bakr(RA) they used to type (LA) in brackets instead of RA. when i asked them wat LA was they Said LanatUllah (May Allah Forgive All Of us and Guide us and them to the right path)
Allah Hafiz

a11shah
i m not very good muslim. and dont know whole alot about islam .
but wanted to ask you a question.
did't shia has changed the
'QURAN' and the histroy a bit. if not then do u believe on khominee , also what is the difference do you declare between suni and shia .. i have asked these question to many ppl but never got any setisfide answer.plz
reply thanks

Zalim,

there is a huge diff b/w the sahabas and the ahl-bait. U do understand a little urdu don't U?!
anywayz...I have not backed off anything, the reason I said that not all sahabas should be looked on so highly is because that's what I believe in, and then I said that I didn't know much about the ahl-bait, cuz I'm still studying, and as much as I know I've been posting it, and questioning it.
later on I will know who the ahl-bait are and all, but I don't understand what Ure trying to do, Y do U have to get personal, if u want give me ure email address and I'll give U a piece of my mind...I didn't join this disscussion forum for confrontations, as I am sure neither did U, so can plz just stick to the topic.
Y can't U find the quote which one of the people posted?
anywayz...laterz


"There as many ideas in the minds of men and women as there are stars in the sky, it is your job to hold on to one and make it come true"
Anonymous