Whither progress...

In anthropology, agriculture is regarded as mankind’s biggest mistake, infact its curse which will be humanity’s undoing…

Hard to believe but true, but anthropologists are a different breed of people…Of all the sciences, anthropology is one subject which truly is a science worth mastering, for it gives its students the ability to rise above petty human emotions and look at people not as black, yellow or white, but as different…

But why is it considered by anthropologists as the dumbest mistake of man?

With the advent of agriculture, man got a precious commodity at his disposal which was time. After all, when you no longer have to go out in search of food which is readily available at any given moment, you obviously have time on your hands to spend on different pursuits…

As agriculture became widespread and man got time to spare, his thoughts wandered. On a full stomach man started thinking, and with thinking came the advent of art, science, innovation and most importantly of all, with time to spare and a full stomach came the opportunity and desire for more of what everyone wants: Sex. With more sex came many more humans and a population explosion occured which in turn created the need for more agriculture. Forests had to be cleared for more fertile land and to make way for living space of more and more humans.

In many hunter-gatherer societies such as the native Americans, the Aborigenes of Australia, the nomads of Arabia and some still surviving tribes of Africa, lived off the land…Their survival depended upon the survival of the earth, as a result these people deified earth as their mother…Since survival depended upon sustenance and sustenance was hard to get by, a natural ecosystem had developed which kept in perfect balance the symbiotic relationship between man and nature…

Enter the agriculturalists…Having burgeoned their own lands, they sought to expand themselves in search of ever more land and natural resources…Agriculture having given them the means to develop a taste for material wants and become obsequious to the truly inane and insignificant things such as gold and diamonds…

These agriculturalists having overpopulated and exhausted their own resources, then developed organized warfare to plunder other agricultural societies or to defend themselves against others…

To make a long story short, what I am getting at is this: Are we really better off with all the progress we have made?

There is pollution, there is ozone deterioration, there is global warming, bigger weapons, more population? Couldn’t we have been better off living as hunter gatherers? So what if we developed the car, the airplane, the telephone, the television, radio, computer…Today to meet the rising demand of overpopulation cattle and poultry is genetically modified giving rise to new and terrible diseases…We come up with a cure for one disease and another pops up…Due to Pollution brought on by the ever advancing sciences, there are more ailments in history then there were ever before…

The most vicious and animalistic societies have become those that are now the most advanced, suicide rate has risen to an unprecedented level, competition for work and space is now cause for more mental diseases like stress and phobias than ever before…

So OK…We now have art…What then? What good is the Mona Lisa to me? What good is the whole of Louvre or Guggenheim to me? What good does it bring me that I can now travel at 65 mph or fly to Pakistan and back within two days…What good is it that now due to internet you are reading this…Nothing.

In my view, Progress has been more detrimental to humans than had the humans remained on the slow and steady path of hunting gathering…There would have been peace, both within and without…

I truly believe that had the human race never progressed to what we have now, we would have been far far better than what we are now…

The Arabs call the desert The Garden of Allah and for a good reason…It is from the desert that every earthborn Prophet of Allah came, because in the stillness of the desert, man can listen to himself…You think a prophet can be born in New York city?

It is very true when someone said that you can’t stop progress, and I for can’t…It’s a whirlpool which drags everyone in it flinging everyine it touches away from faith and God…However I do disdain it, for I am of the old world and old fashioned…:smiley:

What do you think is the best thing progress has given you?

Avg life span has increased and health of humans is generally better than ever before. This is Jannat. Enjoy it. :k:

Which anthropologists are you referring to? Or is there consensus amongst them regarding the greatness of the hunting life?

Dont blame agriculture, blame human intelligence. I cannot imagine man surviving for millions of years and yet still being merely another agent in the food chain. Hunting occasionally, occasionally being hunted. There is a reason we are above animals. We are constrained to be creative.

You just cannot put limits on human advancement. Nor do I agree with those who fault science as the cause of human misery.

If there is a hole in the ozone layer caused by us, there is a specific way devised by us to fix it. If there are newer diseases, atleast we have conquered the older ones. If people today die of Aids, before they used to die of the common cold, that is if they werent killed by their dinner. If we run out of office space in a hundred years, we'll probably have conquered space in a hundred years (or atleast made part of it habitable..).

Whats the point of life when one is perpetually preoccupied with running after your next buffalo?

Matsui: So it means you can have more time to be miserable...And if you consider this Jannat, then you are welcome to it and you better enjoy it...It's the only one you get...:D

Ravage: I am talking about all anthropologists...They all agree that agriculture was mankind's greatest folly...

And if we are creative, not all things we create are meant for good...Case in point: Jackass the TV series...Now, that's creative...

As far as putting limits on human advancement is concerned, there is an imperative for responsibility, unfortunately that imperative is realized too late, always...Case in point: DDT...After having poured millions of gallons into the water table we realized, oops! It's poisonous, same with fossil fuels and same with nuclear power...Man may be a creative being, but he has a learning deficiency...He learns everything after the damage has been done...

Who knows, maybe something will be created that would not even give us time to learn about its effects...Did you know they are experimenting and trying to create an artificial black hole? The most destructive force in the universe? Think about it...

As for dying of predatory animals is concerned, I can bet the ratio would be far lesser than what one can expect from car accidents alone...Add to that pollution, technical defects, cancers e.t.c. e.t.c. e.t.c. and you have a global epidemic...

As far as running after a buffalo is concerned, I can bet you that life offered more to an individual who hunted buffalo for his next meal than today's guy who works two jobs to make ends meet with little sleep, more stress and a deteriorating family atmosphere...Add to that bills and liabilities that one most go through everyday in a developed society and you have a very miserable human...A human whose only existence now remains for the sole purpose of earning an existence for a certain lifestyle...No spirituality, no faith and no peace...

Give me the desert anytime...

Re: Whither progress...

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
..You think a prophet can be born in New York city?

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It would be cool though, to see Prophet Isa(pbuh),, to use mobile technology,, he'd be typing away on his laptop i guess..
flying to different countries for meetings... maybe, who knows..
:D

Lajwanti: There is no jannat, this is it. Now you can get all pissed off, hate your life and feel like a victim or enjoy the pleasures of this world obtained through hard work.

Human life is constantly getting better and as far as the prophet in NYC. I have a message for you. "work hard;play hard" Chaltahai (1994). :D