White House Mastermind Karl Rove Guilty of Treason?

Will Bush pardon someone who commits treason against the U.S. ?


President George Bush’s right hand man, Karl Rove, yesterday found himself at the centre of the controversy over who revealed the name of a secret CIA agent, after Newsweek revealed that he was a source for a story that appeared in Time magazine and for which two reporters are facing prison.

In a development that could prove extremely damaging to the Bush administration, two lawyers close to the case say that emails between the Time reporter who wrote the story and his editors indicate that the reporter spoke to Mr Rove

Mr Rove’s lawyer, Robert Luskin, confirmed that his client had been interviewed by Matthew Cooper for the article, but denied that Mr Rove provided the crucial information that exposed the identity of the agent.

Mr Luskin told Newsweek that Mr Rove “never knowingly disclosed classified information”.

But the two lawyers who spoke to Newsweek said there was growing concern that prosecutors now have their sights set on Mr Rove, the architect of Mr Bush’s rise.

The controversy relates to the leaking of the identity of a CIA agent, Valerie Plame, whose husband, the former ambassador Joseph Wilson, went on a CIA-sponsored trip to investigate whether Iraq was seeking to buy uranium from Niger for nuclear weapons.

Some time after his return Mr Wilson publicly accused the Bush administration of exaggerating the case for going to war.

Annoyed by Mr Wilson’s public statements, two unnamed officials reportedly told the syndicated rightwing columnist Robert Novak that Ms Plame was a CIA “operative” and had helped arrange his trip to Niger.

Mr Novak published the claims, sparking accusations that an undercover agent’s identity had been disclosed, placing both her and her sources in physical danger, for partisan political purposes.

At the time, Mr Wilson said he believed that Mr Rove was the source, but the accusation was dismissed by the White House as “totally ridiculous”.

It is a crime knowingly to divulge the identity of an undercover CIA operative and the leak prompted such a row that the justice department ap pointed a special counsel, Patrick Fitzgerald, to investigate. It is believed that Mr Novak has reached a deal with the special prosecutor, which is why he is not being pursued by authorities.

Two other reporters, Mr Cooper from Time magazine and Judith Miller from the New York Times, who followed up the story have been threatened with jail for contempt of court unless they reveal their sources.

Time Inc has been also charged with contempt and threatened with huge fines because it was in possession of Mr Cooper’s notes that could be relevant to the case.

Last week the magazine submitted to judicial pressure, against Mr Cooper’s wishes, and handed over the relevant documents to the judge. Among them were the emails which showed that Mr Rove was one of the sources for the story.

Mr Luskin insists Mr Rove “did not tell any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA,” but according to Newsweek refused to discuss details.

In early October 2003, after Mr Novak’s column appeared in July, Mr Rove called Chris Matthews, the host of the pop ular political talk show Hardball, and told him that Mr Wilson’s wife was “fair game”.

But Mr Luskin yesterday emphatically denied that Mr Rove had done anything untoward. “What I can tell you is that Cooper called Rove during that week between the Wilson article and the Novak article,” Mr Luskin told the Los Angeles Times.

"But Karl absolutely did not identify Valerie Plame.

“He did not disclose any confidential information about anybody to Cooper or to anybody else.”

Until recently the main public focus for the case has been on press freedom, with the two reporters facing jail on Wednesday for up to four months if they refuse to reveal their sources.

At the end of last week Mr Cooper and Ms Miller submitted papers requesting house arrest or particular prisons if they had to be jailed, after the supreme court refused to hear their appeal. But with revelations that Mr Rove, branded Bush’s Brain by detractors, was a source, interest is set to shift to Mr Bush’s inner circle and in particular the way in which they deal with political opponents.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1520821,00.html

Re: White House Mastermind Karl Rove Guilty of Treason?

Rendition to egypt or outsource him to pakistan, I am sure musharraf will need to put a spin on his upcoming elections in a few decades, might as well start work now.

This rove guy could make the rapists of mukhtaran mai look like saints. The only reason kerry lost was becasue of this genius, In todays NYtimes they had a nice story on Valerie Plame and how she kept up even after her cover was blown. That cost her, her career.

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Karl Rove you fat *******.


White House won’t comment on Rove, leak inquiry

WASHINGTON (AP) — For two years, the White House has insisted that presidential adviser Karl Rove had nothing to do with the leak of a CIA officer’s identity. And President Bush said the leaker would be fired.
But Bush’s spokesman wouldn’t repeat any of those assertions Monday in the face of Rove’s own lawyer saying his client spoke with at least one reporter about Valerie Plame’s role at the CIA before she was identified in a newspaper column.

Rove described the woman to a reporter as someone who “apparently works” at the CIA, according to an e-mail obtained by Newsweek magazine.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan refused to discuss the matter at two news briefings Monday. He said he would not comment because the leak is the focus of a federal criminal investigation.

“The prosecutors overseeing the investigation had expressed a preference to us that one way to help the investigation is not to be commenting on it from this podium,” McClellan said in response to a barrage of questions about Rove and the previous White House denials.

“I’m well aware, like you, of what was previously said,” McClellan said. “And I will be glad to talk about it at the appropriate time.” He said the appropriate time would be when the investigation is completed

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-11-white-house-rove_x.htm

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at this point, it sure looks like he did it. What I find interesting is that the "press" seems torn between gleefully outing Rove as the leak and supporting the reporters' right to protect their sources.

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Hate to see a reporters right to protect their sources go down the drain and that is a bigger impacting issue but it's a seperate issue.

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it is indeed separate. Karl rove should be hung by his balls...hope he gets it.

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The White House spokesman was holding it so well together until July 2005 too, for shame.


By The Associated Press

Some of the denials, other comments, at media briefings by White House spokesman Scott McClellan when asked by reporters whether President Bush’s top political adviser, Karl Rove, was involved in the leak of a CIA officer’s identity:

Sept. 29, 2003

Q: You said this morning, quote, “The president knows that Karl Rove wasn’t involved.” How does he know that?

A: Well, I’ve made it very clear that it was a ridiculous suggestion in the first place. … I’ve said that it’s not true. … And I have spoken with Karl Rove.

Q: It doesn’t take much for the president to ask a senior official working for him, to just lay the question out for a few people and end this controversy today.

A: Do you have specific information to bring to our attention? … Are we supposed to chase down every anonymous report in the newspaper? We’d spend all our time doing that."

Q: When you talked to Mr. Rove, did you discuss, “Did you ever have this information?”

A: I’ve made it very clear, he was not involved, that there’s no truth to the suggestion that he was.


Oct. 7, 2003

Q: You have said that you personally went to Scooter Libby (Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff), Karl Rove and Elliott Abrams (National Security Council official) to ask them if they were the leakers. Is that what happened? Why did you do that? And can you describe the conversations you had with them? What was the question you asked?

A: Unfortunately, in Washington, D.C., at a time like this there are a lot of rumors and innuendo. There are unsubstantiated accusations that are made. And that’s exactly what happened in the case of these three individuals. They are good individuals. They are important members of our White House team. And that’s why I spoke with them, so that I could come back to you and say that they were not involved. I had no doubt with that in the beginning, but I like to check my information to make sure it’s accurate before I report back to you, and that’s exactly what I did.


Oct. 10, 2003

Q: Earlier this week you told us that neither Karl Rove, Elliot Abrams nor Lewis Libby disclosed any classified information with regard to the leak. I wondered if you could tell us more specifically whether any of them told any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA?

A: I spoke with those individuals, as I pointed out, and those individuals assured me they were not involved in this. And that’s where it stands.

Q: So none of them told any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA?

A: They assured me that they were not involved in this.

Q: They were not involved in what?

A: The leaking of classified information.

July 11, 2005:

Q: Do you want to retract your statement that Rove, Karl Rove, was not involved in the Valerie Plame expose?

A: I appreciate the question. This is an ongoing investigation at this point. The president directed the White House to cooperate fully with the investigation, and as part of cooperating fully with the investigation, that means we’re not going to be commenting on it while it is ongoing.

Q: But Rove has apparently commented, through his lawyer, that he was definitely involved.

A: You’re asking me to comment on an ongoing investigation.

Q: I’m saying, why did you stand there and say he was not involved?

A: Again, while there is an ongoing investigation, I’m not going to be commenting on it nor is … .

Q: Any remorse?

A: Nor is the White House, because the president wanted us to cooperate fully with the investigation, and that’s what we’re doing.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050711/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_quotes_1

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Karl, Bush and Cheney in Fall Colors

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It is amusing to read the technicalities involved in if Rove 'knowingly' or 'unknowingly' disclosed the actual 'name' of a CIA agent or not. Kinda like does oral sex constitute as sex in Clinton's case.

I have my popcorns ready.

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White House Press Conferences have been really amusing the last two days, Scotty trying to avoid these questions like the plague, just repeats “investigation, can’t comment” over and over again. :hehe:

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funny.. it's a minor issue compared to a President lying to the public in leading them to war and insisting on staying that course.. no one wants to punish him for that.. they are all too happy chasing after fat Rove .. who'd get out of it without any harm and another distraction would have served it's purpose..

sure we should cry for admin shills like Judith-Iraq-WMD-story-through-Challabi-Miller.. what a person they picked to personify journalistic integrity... we're supposed to forget her lies and now shower flowers on her for upholding journalism rights?

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if Rove rumors are true he should go to jail. From his position, there is no such thing as "casual conversation"...that too with members of the press!!!!

And Novak should be right there in the cell next to him

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The thing to keep in mind here also is why Wilson was considered dangerous.

The newspaper articles coming out on this now only give a quick throwaway paragraph for background saying that he criticized the Bush admin. He did much more than that--he proved that the Niger documents Bush was citing were FORGERIES. To this day we still don't know who forged them and why. Bush doesn't seem too interested in that as no part of the government has investigated this yet.

Also to remember, whatever legal parsing there is this is still a firing offense were it any other man in government. His security clearance would be immediately suspended (immediately being two years ago when this happened!), and he would have been demoted and/or shown the door.

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One step at a time. People are stupid. Hearing the truth in large doses hurts, so they call it a lie.

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Here’s a short video highlight of Monday’s press conference. Pretty damn hilarious. Ari Fleischer was such a better liar.

And here’s a transcript with more fun :slight_smile:

To keep up with all the minutae of the story, this is a good place.

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What about Judith Miller?

Is she a stand-up for constitutional rights decreed by America's forefathers?

Is she a stand-up for moral values that current republican administration finds moot?

I think so.

Forcing journalists to give up the ghost.......

Is a danger to freedom.

How many journalists have the stamina to face jail?

Is prison-time an entisement for journalists to challenge wrong doings?

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Key questions at the center of the leak controversy

The controversy over whether presidential adviser Karl Rove revealed the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame as part of a public-relations battle over the Iraq war leaves many questions that can be only partially answered. Among them:

Q: What was the likely motive for the leaking of Valerie Plame’s identity as a covert CIA agent to columnist Robert Novak, which he published on July 14, 2003?

A: Plame is the wife of former diplomat Joseph Wilson, who was sent by the CIA to Niger in 2002 to investigate reports that Saddam Hussein had tried to purchase uranium for nuclear weapons. Wilson subsequently reported to the CIA that the intelligence was false, a conclusion that he later made public in a July 6, 2003, New York Times op-ed piece – which was widely viewed as an embarrassment to the Bush administration. Wilson has said administration officials outed his wife to indirectly punish him by ruining her career. Some analysts also have noted that White House and Pentagon officials were locked in a bitter internal dispute with the CIA over a wide range of intelligence matters.

Q: Was Plame responsible for sending her husband on the Niger mission in an example of nepotism? If so, does that discredit Wilson’s findings, as Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman said Tuesday?

A: Wilson has said his wife acted only as a “go-between” with “agency officials” who acted in response to “questions” from “Vice President Dick Cheney’s office.” An inquiry by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence found that Cheney himself had not authorized the trip; the inquiry reported that some CIA officials said Plame ordered the trip while other agency officials disputed the account. Wilson’s Niger conclusions were subsequently confirmed as correct by a CIA task force on postwar intelligence.

Q: What federal law may have been broken?

A: The Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982 prohibits the disclosure of names and identities of intelligence agents working undercover. The law carries penalties of up to 10 years in prison for the disclosure of the names and identities of agents by those who have authorized access to classified information that identifies covert agents, and up to 5 years in prison for disclosure by those who learn agents’ identities through authorized access to general classified information. The only person publicly known to have been prosecuted under this law is Sharon Scranage, a CIA officer in Ghana who pleaded guilty in 1985 to revealing other agents’ names to her Ghanian boyfriend. She was sentenced to five years in prison, and she served eight months behind bars.

Q: What is known about Karl Rove’s possible involvement in the leak?

A: According to a July 11, 2003, e-mail from Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper to a colleague about his conversation with Rove earlier that day, “it was, KR said, wilson’s (sic) wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd (weapons of mass destruction) issues who authorized the trip.”

Robert Luskin, Rove’s attorney, said this proved his client had not broken the law because he disclosed only Plame’s general identity, not her specific name. Luskin declined to say how Rove found out that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA.

Q: Is Rove being investigated by the special prosecutor?

A: Luskin says special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has told Rove he is not a “target” of the investigation. But in an interview with National Review Online on Tuesday, Luskin said Fitzgerald also made clear that anyone whose conduct fell within the scope of the investigation, including Rove, was considered a “subject” of the probe. " Target’ is something we all understand, a very alarming term," Luskin said. However, Fitzgerald “has indicated to us that he takes a very broad view of what a subject is.”

Q: Have any other administration officials been named or implicated in connection with the leak?

A: Fitzgerald has not disclosed details of his probe, but public speculation has focused on Lewis Libby, Cheney’s chief of staff, and John Bolton, formerly the State Department’s under secretary for arms control and now Bush’s nominee for ambassador to the United Nations.

Q: Why hasn’t Novak, the columnist who first publicized Plame’s identity, faced the same demands for information from the special prosecutor as Matthew Cooper and New York Times reporter Judith Miller?

A: Novak has refused to comment on the issue except to say that he was the recipient of a leak. Most observers believe that Novak testified to the federal grand jury and that Fitzgerald was satisfied with his responses.

Q: Why is Miller currently in jail? Unlike Novak and Cooper, she has published nothing about Plame.

A: Miller has been jailed for refusing to testify to the grand jury. Cooper has agreed to testify, and Time has provided records to the grand jury. However, it is still unclear why Fitzgerald subpoenaed Miller in the first place. Miller has been the subject of a related controversy during the past year because her prewar reporting gave prominent coverage to allegations – later proved to be unfounded – that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

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White House Press Conference 7/13/05, Day 3 of Avoiding Rove Questions.

Q Scott, you know what, to make a general observation here, in a previous administration, if a press secretary had given the sort of answers you’ve just given in referring to the fact that everybody who works here enjoys the confidence of the President, Republicans would have hammered them as having a kind of legalistic and sleazy defense. I mean, the reality is that you’re parsing words, and you’ve been doing it for a few days now. So does the President think Karl Rove did something wrong, or doesn’t he?

MR. McCLELLAN: No, David, I’m not at all. I told you and the President told you earlier today that we don’t want to prejudge the outcome of an ongoing investigation. And I think we’ve been round and round on this for two days now.

Q Even if it wasn’t a crime? You know, there are those who believe that even if Karl Rove was trying to debunk bogus information, as Ken Mehlman suggested yesterday – perhaps speaking on behalf of the White House – that when you’re dealing with a covert operative, that a senior official of the government should be darn well sure that that person is not undercover, is not covert, before speaking about them in any way, shape, or form. Does the President agree with that or not?

MR. McCLELLAN: Again, we’ve been round and round on this for a couple of days now. I don’t have anything to add to what I’ve said the previous two days.

Q That’s a different question, and it’s not round and round –

MR. McCLELLAN: You heard from the President earlier.

Q It has nothing to do with the investigation, Scott, and you know it.

MR. McCLELLAN: You heard from the President earlier today, and the President said he’s not –

Q That’s a dodge to my question. It has nothing to do with the investigation. Is it appropriate for a senior official to speak about a covert agent in any way, shape, or form without first finding out whether that person is working as a covert officer.

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, first of all, you’re wrong. This is all relating to questions about an ongoing investigation, and I’ve been through this.

Q If I wanted to ask you about an ongoing investigation, I would ask you about the statute, and I’m not doing that.

MR. McCLELLAN: I think we’ve exhausted discussion on this the last couple of days.

Q You haven’t even scratched the surface.

Q It hasn’t started.

MR. McCLELLAN: I look forward to talking about it once the investigation is complete, as the President does, as well. And you heard from the President earlier today.


Q Scott, from Africa, Mrs. Bush says, Karl Rove is a very good friend of mine; I’ve known him for years. And she’s not going to speculate on any other part of the case. Well, does the President feel the same way about Karl Rove, the relationship with Karl Rove, a very good friend for many years?

MR. McCLELLAN: Yes, he does.

Q And at this point, is it ebbing or flowing? Is that relationship with the President ebbing or flowing? (Laughter.)

MR. McCLELLAN: Again, this is a creative way to come out to the same kind of questions.

Q You’re right, it is, and I want an answer.

Q I’m sorry, I wasn’t here yesterday, so could you refresh my memory? Was there an ongoing investigation –

MR. McCLELLAN: The briefings are available online.

Q – at the time that you answered previous questions on this issue?

MR. McCLELLAN: Again, I responded to those questions the past couple of days. Go ahead.

Q The answer is, yes.

-complete transcript-
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/07/20050713-7.html

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Rove was hilariously portrayed on an American Dad episode not too long ago. :D

I doubt Rove comes out and admits his role unless he knew they couldn't pin anything on him. He might not be guilty of any crime but it's hard for me imagine that man in Rove's position when investigating Wilson wouldn't know all the facts. White House is avoiding this situation.

Fishy...fishy...