Which government in the world can operate normally in such circumstances?

My comments are same as the heading of thread. People talking about corruption and all nonsense, CJ is taking Suomota on Waheeda Shah thaparh, memo sh!t, etc? Does opposition, including IK and CJ has courage to talk about this the most dark side of Pakistan? Really it is a hell for any one who rule in such rouge country.

Brig Khan plotted to seize power, says major | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

KARACHI: Brig Ali Khan, who is facing a court martial for treason and mutiny, has been charged with masterminding a conspiracy to bomb the Army’s General Headquarters (GHQ) during a meeting of formation commanders, the BBC’s Urdu service said on Thursday.

The British Broadcasting Corporation quoted Major Sohail Akbar, a witness for the prosecution, as saying that the brigadier had persuaded a pilot of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) to use his F-16 for bombing the GHQ.

Plans for assassinating the president and the prime minister were on the table, too, Major Akbar added.

US forces and a Blackwater office were also on the table, he added.

The officer said he was introduced to Brig Khan by some Hizbul Tahrir men in July 2010. “I know the Hizb members for the past seven years and have been meeting them after that session,” he conceded.

During the 2010 meeting, BBC quoted Major Akbar as recalling, the brigadier claimed that 400 men were enough to “seize power after eliminating the Army chief, the president and the prime minister”.

“I am ready to lead the putsch,” the brigadier asserted, according to Major Akbar.

Brig Khan once even claimed that the plot had the blessings of chief of the 111 Brigade and “a few other generals”, the prosecution witness said.

“I refused to become a part of the plot after realising that it will cause horrendous bloodshed,” the British network quoted Major Akbar as saying. “Hizbul Tahrir regards violence as Haram.”—Dawn monitor

Coup was imminent, Ijaz tells commission | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: Mansoor Ijaz, the central character in the memo case, revealed on Thursday that he had helped former ambassador Husain Haqqani by delivering the purported secret memorandum to the then US military chief because he had information about the possibility of a military coup in Pakistan.

During the cross-examination before the judicial commission investigating the case, the Pakistani-American businessman said he had been briefed by at least four intelligence networks of different countries after the killing of Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad on May 2, last year.

He said he had obtained the information about actions and reactions of Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, President Asif Ali Zardari and the military secretary to the president after the incident, details of foreign visits of the Director General of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and transcripts of conversation between air traffic control staff and the pilots of the US helicopters which raided Osama’s compound.

Replying to a question by Salahuddin Mengal, counsel for PML-N lawmaker Gen (retd) Abdul Qadir Baloch, Mr Ijaz said the material he had was sufficient for him to believe that a military coup was imminent.

He said the urgency shown by Mr Haqqani had also supported his belief that a military coup was imminent and then he contacted former US national security adviser Gen James Jones for delivering the memorandum to Admiral Mike Mullen.

According to Mr Ijaz, the transcripts which he had obtained from a senior official, whose name he did not want to disclose, contained minute-by-minute details of the conversation between the pilots of the helicopters and the air traffic controllers from the time of their entry into Pakistan, during the operation and till their departure to Afghanistan.

He also claimed to have the transcripts of conversations between the President’s House and the Army House on the operation.

“I cannot disclose my sources even if the commission asks me to do so because it would jeopardise US interests,” he said in reply to a question.

He, however, agreed to provide the transcripts in a sealed envelope to the commission’s secretary in the Pakistani High Commission in London.

Mr Ijaz said he had contacted Mr Haqqani after the May 2 incident and offered his help and the process of drafting the memorandum began when the ambassador agreed to work with him.

He accused Mr Haqqani of not only trying later to persuade him not to appear before the commission but also requesting former officials of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and other former US officials to stop him from recording his testimony.

“I also received half a dozen death threats from unknown persons and an anonymous telephone call which I brought into the knowledge of the FBI.”

Advocate Mengal will continue the cross-examination on Friday.

The commission asked Mustafa Ramday, counsel for PML-N chief Mian Nawaz Sharif, to properly prepare his questions because most of them had been answered in Mr Ijaz’s testimony. Attorney General Maulvi Anwarul Haq also objected that Mr Ramday was repeating the statement of Mr Ijaz.

The commission expressed displeasure over the attitude of Mr Haqqani’s counsel who has not submitted any evidence to support his client’s contention.

Balochistan High Court Chief Justice Qazi Faez Isa, who is heading the three-member commission, said: “Mr Ijaz has given the documents in support of his statement but you have kept all the record close to your chest. So far we are gentle but it doesn’t mean that we are powerless.”

The commission again asked all the parties, including Mr Haqqani, to submit evidence in their support and warned that otherwise it would deal with them differently.

The commission considered options for obtaining the chat data of Mr Haqqani and Mr Ijaz from the Research in Motion (RIM) company (the service provider of BlackBerry), but was informed that when the Scotland Yard had tried to put pressure on the firm after riots in the UK, it had closed down its network in the country instead of accepting the demand.

At one point, while replying to Advocate Ramday’s question as to why Mr Haqqani had chosen him for delivering the memo to Admiral Mullen, Mr Ijaz said: “Because I was the most unlucky guy on earth.” At this, the attorney general was heard whispering to other lawyers: “In fact, he is the most lucky guy.”

At another point, when Mr Ijaz was disclosing sensitive information regarding the May 2 incident and the commission had taken a short break, his counsel Akram Sheikh was heard whispering something to Advocate Mengal who was cross-examining him.

Later, Advocate Mengal told this reporter that Advocate Sheikh was advising him to raise more technical questions.

Re: Which government in the world can operate normally in such circumtances?

As far as the first news is concerned how would that effect the working of the government?

Coup was imminent after obl operation agreed, is that the reason for the mega corruption going on these days? Is that the reason why the government couldn't help the flooded people of sindh, revived the economy, reduce loadshedding of electricity/gas and resolve the balochistan issue?

Re: Which government in the world can operate normally in such circumtances?

If we had an upright PM who did not try his best to save every other criminal from Night club manager from Dubai who was put in as NICL MD by the PM's son to the President Zardari himself... I am sure nobody would have any guts to conspire against such a PM..

I fail to understand your logic.. "because the establishment has hidden intentions to topple the elected government, therefore the elected government had to resort to mismanagement/corruption/criminality." Kya baat hai Sir.. It's a new logic to defend the pathetic government..!!!

Re: Which government in the world can operate normally in such circumtances?

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بلے وئی بلے تے ای شاوا اس جوان کی بچی (وحیدہ شاہ) کا

جس نے اس عورت کو تھپڑ مارے ہیں ،

پہلے لوگوں سے عزت سے ووٹ لیے جاتے تھے

لیکن ان بلڈی غربیوں کو عزت راس نہیں اتی ،

اس کو کہتے ہیں انقلاب

اب ووٹ دینے کے علاوہ چھتر بھی کھانے پڑیں گے

انقلاب زندہ باد پاک سر زمین شاد باد
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I appreciate Waheeda Shah for her true and noble action :lajawab:

Re: Which government in the world can operate normally in such circumtances?

I remember this one from our childhood:

Laal pari aana, dheere dheere aana, ek thappad maar ke wapis chali jana, taliyan bajana :hehe:

Budhi pari aana, shor macha ke aana, ek thappar maar ke, election jeet janaa, saare Pakistanion aap sab taliyan bajana :bummer:

Re: Which government in the world can operate normally in such circumtances?

^ :rotfl:

Thats the best summary every! Aaah the innocence of a childhood game has been taken too far by these thugs in power.

To be honest its got to the stage in Pakistan where even a Millitary coup might just be neccasary than these idiots in power.

Re: Which government in the world can operate normally in such circumtances?

I second that :k:

sachaydino, who told you that governance is a child’s play? And if you truly believe that every Tom, Dick and Harry could become a leader just because his wife or mother was a politician, than you will continue to start such threads for your entire life.

Re: Which government in the world can operate normally in such circumtances?

If you are always threatened of fire from your job, what will be your performance? Apply same logic to macro setup.

Re: Which government in the world can operate normally in such circumtances?

Yazdi,

Read post # 8.

Re: Which government in the world can operate normally in such circumstances?

So, the slapping of the lady was actually the fault of the establishment and drityiest of the dirty politician of Pakistan :hehe: