If we look at the Beirut problem…one thing can be understood and that is the lack of a strong Islamic partnership amongst states…Arab states dont want to anger their masters the Americans and look after the Muslims…the Muslims dont have a protector…and thats why there so many Muslim groups searching for militray coups in these Muslim lands…overthrow these corrupt regimes and implement Islam…
Now which country would make a good state…Qualities or prerequisites for a state from Islam are that it should be able to protect itself and to propogate itself…so things like resources, army and location are crucial amongst other factors…in those terms where would be a good Islamic state…Pakistan is good for army i understand…Saudi for resources…and location quite a few countries are fine…arab countries are good cos they can annex a lot more easily…
So you are basically saying that a state based on religion should have as its basis a strong army and the ability to propogate through war? That is "implementing Islam"? That is sooooo Middle Ages.
But if a state does want to base its existence on religion, shouldn't the prerequisite be that it is a benevolent state, with righteous government that works toward propogating a peaceful, pious population?
And people wonder why non-Muslims come up with the notion that Islam is spread by the sword...
But if a state does want to base its existence on religion, shouldn't the prerequisite be that it is a benevolent state, with righteous government that works toward propogating a peaceful, pious population?
That 'alone' does not protect the country and its people (i.e malaysia...comes to my mind.) Sure, if they have islamic laws; follow sharia then people would be in much better position but seeing how the world has become a global village, how competetive it is for a country to survive (especially muslim countries)..seeing all that, islamic laws needs to be implement and even now its not too late to follow on them.
IT should be strong, and capable of defending its people- thats islamic, you may think whatever you'd like to think but islam clearly gives a right to protect one's people. The bottom line is, to be heard and respected in today's world, 'ideal' islamic country should be economicaly n militarily stong.
We should learn and follow Islam as first step..... once the public can do that, our rulers will automatically be what we want them to be. Current lot of "rulers" is just a reflection of our current state. If we can follow Islam, we wouldn't be in as much need of "protection" :)
Here is the way I have always envisaged our current lot of leaders. They were brought up under the imperial British mentality and will have remnants of their imagination as long as they live. This is similar to the condition of the Jews as described in the Quran after they escaped the oppression of Pharoah.
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Fukuyama says that neo-liberlism will end history...to do that you have to elimiate any ideological threats ie Islam...naturally you believe that your way of life is better for everyone so you justify implementing it acroos the world...now i have no issue with that being your mindset...thats what any empire that believes in its ideology should do...you do it through placing puppet rulers in these states that do the work for you and when thats not an option you do it rhough force ie Iraq for instance...that i understand...
Now for Muslims its no different...we believe we have an idelogy made by God which is a lot better than any man made idelogy...hence on the creation of a state provided that it is secure will naturally expand and build its empire...its a case of we believe your ideology is incorrect and we are bring people the truth...and that can be done in two ways...we say poilitely that you let us take over or we come by force...you have a choice...Just like you want the whole world to live by neo liberailism...Muslims believe the world should be ruled by Islam...
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Now as for an Islamic state...surely an Ilsmaic soicety is the best way of bringing people closer to Islam...i dont think Muslims oppose an Islamic state so in its implementation it should build their belief and practice...thats what society naturally does...it creates the norms and values which a society lives by...we decide what is right and wrong depending on law of the land...no if the law of the land is islamic then naturally your thinking will be more islamically inclined...think about it...your whole education system is Islamic...your whole penal and punihsment system is Islamic...thats how you create Islamic people...through an Islamic society...people did not convert a billion Muslims...states and legislation helped do that...and before anyone jumps thats not forced conversion thats societal conversion...
^ And I could give you names of philosophers that say Islam will end history, so what? I wish you could point to me some practical reason or example as to why or how your idealogy is 'a lot better'. Sorry, I just don't see it. The thing about democracy is that people have a choice. The 100+ countries that are democratic today want to be democratic. The majority aren't Musllim and don't want to become Muslim. You can't force a religion on people and you can't have an Islamo-facist government impose their laws and rule on others.
Anyway, before it ever comes to that, a religious state MUST first have some type of benevolent state with a righteous government. That is so far from reality today that the rest of this impossible scenario (my 1st paragraph) doesn't even have to come into play.
Anyway, before it ever comes to that, a religious state MUST first have some type of benevolent state with a righteous government. That is so far from reality today that the rest of this impossible scenario (my 1st paragraph) doesn't even have to come into play.
**In my opinion for the current times muslims need an HONEST, RIGHTEOUS STRONG DICTATORSHIP. Western democracy would not be the solution. By the way all those people writing about democracy should realize that for democracy to be effective u need an educated, honest and thoughtful population which we dont have. Also if your democracy is based on votes and polls and it tells you that 55% population of islamabad is in favour of GAY pride parade, would you accommodate their democratic wishes and rights??? **
Unfortunately (or should I say fortunately), there is no such thing as an honest righteous dictatorship. Let's say you are lucky enough to find a righteous leader, what do you do when he dies, hope you find anohter one? Then another? Not possible.
As for your gay pride scenario, I don't think you need a majority vote to hold one, just enough people who would want to participate.
for a real islamic state, a good benovelant progressive state focusing on its people and betterment of all through scial serfvices, education, scientific thought, excellence in all areas of society...a good place is..anywhere
for the type of state that many of the jahil mullahs want to see, a good place is somewhere other than this planet..