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potayto potato.
Peace queer
Your nickname is odd, but it doesn't matter. It is the Muslim position to believe that God does not have an origin. To insinuate an origin for God is to assume that God is bound by time. We understand that time itself is a creation of God.
God has no beginning and no end this is the position of the Muslim creed.
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you can believe that a super duper god can be created just by itself though?
Not answer of my question! please answer me and then i'll answer you
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Zobia, Allah and God is same. I use both for the same entity.
besides Peer-E-Kamil (PBUH) add Lahasil too (of teh same writer)
brother this phenomenon is one i cant explain to u.
for u i suggest leave everything other research...focus on these two words until u FEEL them.
rest its pointless for me to discuss further.
(though i m very younger than u, but wat i have seen u havent, n wat u have faced i have no clue of dat. but hae i also have faced a lot. i dont call them my destiny nor my luck, tehy r just another step for me to find WHAT I SUPPOSE TO FIND :))
*Last night i was tricked into watching iraqi civilian executions by some guys.....they lined them up.....shot them in the head one.............. *
did u ever try to see beyond the beautiful painted canvas infront of u?
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^ Peace zobia
I am in no mind to argue with what you have said, as I agree with you that Allah is the correct term to use. However, when in discussion especially with people who have pantheistic (or Hellenistic - your God my God) mindsets it is often important to discuss with terms that are generally understood as universally understood. Even people like Dr Zakir Naik allows and uses the term God when speaking.
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One question to everyone....
How many times we thank or even remember our Lord for being safe, for being in peaceful situation and for not being in the situation of war and fear?
Holy Quran
Surah 106 Ayah 3. Let them adore the Lord of this House, 4. Who provides them with food against hunger, and with security against fear (of danger).
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I think that was the most saddest thing i've ever seen in my life....... bunch of helpless getting executed in the name of GOD. The only thing which was in my mind was...where was GOD when those innocent needed him the most..........they were begging for mercy....crying while the next person to them was getting shot in the head....... I really want to know where was GOD.....
are u sure this wasn't the first time you thought that way?
pretty much like what queer said earlier, God's in your head. he can be anything you want him to be, and make you do anything you want to or feel you ought to.
as long as it is justified in God's eyes, or by God's ways, we're cool with it. we rarely care if it's justified in our own eyes.
most people need something to cling to, to get through life while trying to gauge the limits and purpose of the universe. it's scary to think of what may be. so people have their own ways of dealing with it. they would like to believe there's at least someone who knows what the hell's going on. who knows what this is all about, and what we're doing here. that's where 'God' comes in.
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do you consider death a punishment?
If you are asking about natural death, no.
Iraqi People are reaping what they sow.
Personal sins are more or less forgived by Allah all Mighty but Sins on Social Level are never forgiven, it takes generations after generation to pay them off.
History is full of such examples, we didn't realize the power of unity and Allah' message we were humilated by Christains, Hindus and on some occasions by atheists.
Don't blame Allah all mighty for your sins, as u have to pay what u have committed, in this world and other world.
Iraqi People were blessed with a country full of resources, how they thanked Allah all mighty? by declaring war on their neighbours and helping govt. for killing the innocents. As promised by Allah, this is the payback time.
I think the lesson to learned is be Just and Kind and then accept from Allah to interfere, if u ur not what HE what want u to be, then don't complain.
My Faith on Existance of Allah and his system grows even stronger when see or hear this kind of incidents.
So you are saying that America is doing God's work. Hmmm thats whole new idea. I wonder why the whole muslim world do not understand this concept.
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If you are asking about natural death, no.
So you are saying that America is doing God's work. Hmmm thats whole new idea. I wonder why the whole muslim world do not understand this concept.
Infact Quran says the same,
I dont recall the exact sura and aya but it says that, oh sons of Isreal, remember when we gave you the leadership of the world and you were not thank ful to me, then i sent others ( in this case Bakht Nasr) who invaded you and made u slaves, u were remain slaves until u confessed and promised to follow the straight path.
and on other place Quran says the same but that time it was when Fir'on of Eygpt made them slaves, and they use to kill their sons and keep their daughter alive...
This is Calls from Allah all mighty, he is showing to remainders that see, this is what can happen to you, revert back to me if you want to be successfull in this world and other world.
In Islam's terminology it is simply called Azaab of Allah all Mighty ( may Allah keeps it away froM Pakistan).
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Its better to pray for everyone instead of only for yourself or for your family or only for your country.
:halo:
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may be, because i can see it coming on Pakistan, I am praying more for Pakistan…
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u only read where Allah helped His people....
many times He tested them....
Allah was there watching and very well present when Zakariya (as) was sawed to death and He was there as well when Yahya (as) was butchered....
He was also present when bani israel killed so many of the prophets (as) sent to them by Allah....
and He was there when Yassir (ra) and Sumayya (ra) were tortured to death....
and.... and.... and....
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^I will just add on Allaah was there when Umar, Uthman and Ali were murdered. Allaah was also there duing the time Karbala when a tragic incident occurred.
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^^yeah sure ..... a gun is on your head you have few seconds to live and sure u can count of sabr and patience crap....i'm sure that'll save your life...
Muali, it will not save your life, but rest assured (if you believe in Allah) that those people will not go unpunished. We can not understand the way HE conducts his business (read hazrat Musa's Qissa in Quran as well), but he will reward all those innocents.
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Muali
First anyone who has a misconception should clear it that Allah SWT does not have to stand trial for our crimes.
Second, Allah SWT never promised that he would save people from their appointed time. All meet their appointed time in different circumstances, there are no exceptions.
Allah SWT never promised justice will always be served fresh. Our times of trouble are moments when we need to realize why we are in a particular situation, is it our fault or not. If it is not our fault (as could have been the case for these people who were executed) then there is no need to worry. The person in such a circumstance is on his way to meet Allah SWT with a clear conscience then. For us its an indication to comtemplate on how precarious and spontaneous life can be.
Normal people like us or you cannot even put our trust in Allah SWT without complaining to him and then the thought befalls us that why doesn’t he help us.
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i appreciate all of you taking time to post your point of view....
But the impression i got from most of the posters is no one wants to stand up against the unjust....... And God is the one doing all this......does he really enjoy this Gore stuff..........helpless screams......begging...i really think he enjoys it cuz that makes him feel really Godly..... anyway
sure God knows beyond any one can think of.....only if he is there...cuz whatever i'm seeing especially these days ..doesnt prove his existence.........or his so called immense love for his creation
few of you are saying that ...God is testing you........ o come on wat the helll....wat is he testing for.....which cost a human his life........
Being a muslim yeah afterlife is ....eternal..... but ..... who gives the guarantee...that there is an eternal life.....
Its just like playing blind......... and for the heck of it...God added such a painful death and other miseries...as a side kick....
and let me remind you.... the killer and the victim were muslims...... now wat....
according to our beliefs......muslims will go to heaven after paying there dues in hell.... but eventually they'll enter heaven...... Is this Fin justice.........no ..hell no...anyway
well i guess i'm too traumatized with this whole thing......and exaggerating it..... may be i should become a cold heart bas**d just like others......and keep doing the a* kissing and close my eyes and pretend like nothing is going around me........and still believe that God is merciful .
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Oh don't be so bloody melodramatic.
Our tax dollars go into doing essentially similar things...so where are we
God could care less about life or death...what's the difference? This distinction between natural death and otherwise is forced, at least as it applies to God.
Now, if there were injustices done, they'll be fixed. I don't care to elaborate...that's all anyone can claim to know for certain.
But spare me the drama...we live, then die. How we die may not be just or fair...but that's exactly the reason why I have strong faith in God, and a vengeful one at that. Certainly can't expect anything from fellow humans...
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*But the impression i got from most of the posters is no one wants to stand up against the unjust....... *
you are pointing fingers on God whereas those clamaties are brought upon humanity by fellow beings.... Do not blame God for what you and I are doing on others...
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picoico you echoed my sentiments on this.
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God can be rather cruel sometimes... Often have a hard time reconciling with it.
I think god just plays a hands of role.
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people commit sins, not all sins are equal. some are monsterous. god has given us the path to live this test and gain swaab for hereafter