Where the heck is Great China?

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By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

fter a recent U.N. session on the Iraq crisis, I asked a Bush aide how China was behaving. “The Chinese?” the official said. “They don’t think they have a dog in this fight.”

That certainly is how China is behaving — as if this whole issue were for America to resolve. That is a deeply mistaken view, and it shows how little China (not to mention France and Russia) understands about the new world order. If I were explaining it to China’s leaders, here’s what I would say:

Friends, with every great world war has come a new security system. World War I gave birth to the League of Nations and an attempt to recreate a balance of power in Europe, which proved unstable. World War II gave birth to the U.N., NATO, the I.M.F. and the bipolar American-Soviet power structure, which proved to be quite stable until the end of the cold war. Now, 9/11 has set off World War III, and it, too, is defining a new international order.

The new world system is also bipolar, but instead of being divided between East and West, it is divided between the World of Order and the World of Disorder. The World of Order is built on four pillars: the U.S., E.U.-Russia, India and China, along with all the smaller powers around them. The World of Disorder comprises failed states (such as Liberia), rogue states (Iraq and North Korea), messy states — states that are too big to fail but too messy to work (Pakistan, Colombia, Indonesia, many Arab and African states) — and finally the terrorist and mafia networks that feed off the World of Disorder.

There has always been a World of Disorder, but what makes it more dangerous today is that in a networked universe, with widely diffused technologies, open borders and a highly integrated global financial and Internet system, very small groups of people can amass huge amounts of power to disrupt the World of Order. Individuals can become super-empowered. In many ways, 9/11 marked the first full-scale battle between a superpower and a small band of super-empowered angry men from the World of Disorder.

The job of the four pillars of the World of Order is to work together to help stabilize and lift up the World of Disorder. Unfortunately, China doesn’t seem to realize that. You (like some Bushies) still have a lot of cold war reflexes. Indeed, some Chinese intellectuals, not to mention French and Russian, actually believe you all have more to fear from American power than from Osama, Kim or Saddam. That’s nuts. If America has to manage the World of Disorder alone, the American people will quickly tire. And as Michael Mandelbaum, the Johns Hopkins foreign policy expert, notes, “The real threat to world stability is not too much American power. It is too little American power.” Too little American power will only lead to the World of Disorder expanding.

China has to think clearly. If there is just one more 9/11, or if North Korea lobs just one missile our way, it will lead to the end of the open society in America, as we know it, and also constrict globalization. Because we will tighten our borders, triple-check every ship that comes into port and restrict civil liberties as never before, and this will slow the whole global economy.

Now the last time I checked, China had decided to base its growth on manufacturing for the global market and in particular for the U.S. market, where you now send 40 percent of your exports — 40 percent! — and where you just racked up a $100 billion trade surplus. One more 9/11 and your growth strategy will be in real trouble (unless you plan on only exporting duct tape), which means the Chinese leadership will be in real trouble.

So, you still think you don’t have a dog in this fight? You still think you can be free riders on an Iraq war? You still think you can leave us to carry the burden of North Korea? Well, guess again. You need to get serious. It is quite legitimate for China to oppose war in Iraq or North Korea. But why isn’t China’s foreign minister going to Baghdad and Pyongyang, slamming his fist on tables and demanding that their leaders start complying with the U.N. to avoid war? I understand you don’t want us to be impulsive, but why are you so passive?

One more 9/11, one bad Iraq war that ties America down alone in the Middle East and saps its strength, well, that may go over well with the cold warriors in the People’s Liberation Army, but in the real world — in the world where your real threat is not American troops crossing your borders but American dollars fleeing from them — you will be out of business.

Now which part of that sentence don’t you understand?

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/16/opinion/16FRIE.html

It is simply astonishing to see a country that has visions of Superpower dancing in its head act more like a leader. Great china…NOT!!

Re: Where the heck is Great China?

China has to think clearly. If there is just one more 9/11, or if North Korea lobs just one missile our way, it will lead to the end of the open society in America, as we know it, and also constrict globalization. Because we will tighten our borders, triple-check every ship that comes into port and restrict civil liberties as never before, and this will slow the whole global economy.

There is still great concern about not checking every single container entering the ports. The civil liberties are at the mercy of "War on terror". As the war progresses, so does the erosion of the civil liberties.

When U.S. declares war, officially, then it'll be very interesting to see how things move in the U.S. After the declaration of war, the Sedition act will kick in and then the real games will begin. I am not sure ( I will check) if any naturalized citizen will be stripped of their U.S. citizenship and deported as they would be aiding the enemy with their moral support by means or protests or uttering of any statements in support of the other side. Or someone could just be reported on hear-say as it is now part of the law to help catch potential terrorists.... no proof needed....! Just a belief that one heard something or hear someone else talk about someone else. Civil liberties have already eroded to almost to the levels of when the communist threat was facing the U.S. then had sent the whole nation on a witch-hunt.

I think the US is making an ass of itself over Iraq and North Korea. If the Chinese don't mind a North Korean nuke lo mein on Peking, then let them have it. Why does the US care?

Because along with aspirations towards greatness come responsibilities. It is not that China doesn't care, it is a matter of what is it doing to deem such greatness. Friedman is right when he talks about CHina not having a dog in this fight. While that maybe true, if you are trying to be the chowkidar, a stray dog might pose a problem.

I dunno bout Chowkidar Farid Mian's article, but im guessing China must be busy mentoring NK against US's pre-emptive strike there :D

Yes, 5Abi, that is indeed a good thing. :rolleyes:

They should be careful before the not-so great China ends up having to sell it’s products to Pakistan or North Korea. :hehe:

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*Originally posted by Chaltahai: *
Because along with aspirations towards greatness come responsibilities. It is not that China doesn't care, it is a matter of what is it doing to deem such greatness. Friedman is right when he talks about CHina not having a dog in this fight. While that maybe true, if you are trying to be the chowkidar, a stray dog might pose a problem.
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Greatness is a relative term. Not everyone needs to be a chowkidar to be great. Some would argue Sweden is great. And I don't see them fighting anyone.

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*Originally posted by Kareem: *

Greatness is a relative term. Not everyone needs to be a chowkidar to be great. Some would argue Sweden is great. And I don't see them fighting anyone.
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That's because Sweden is happy in their secure, isolated, socialist state. They wouldn't have that luxury if other countries had not taken the lead in defending their right to live in freedom.

(Not so) Great China wants to have all the benefits of world power status without the responsibilities and sacrifices that go along with it.

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The World of Order is built on four pillars: the U.S., E.U.-Russia, India and China

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What is Friedman smoking??? India and Order in the same sentence???

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The World of Order is built on four pillars: the U.S., E.U.-Russia, India and China

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yes India's "World Order" has been manifested in killing thousands of its own citizens.

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
That's because Sweden is happy in their secure, isolated, socialist state. They wouldn't have that luxury if other countries had not taken the lead in defending their right to live in freedom.

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Who had to fight for Sweden's freedom?

And CH, where is India in all of this Iraq situation? What is it doing other than sucking up to Iraq?

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Who had to fight for Sweden's freedom?

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The victors of WWI, WWI and the Cold War fought for the world's freedom.

India has the wrong stance Imdad. It needs to grow up as well and see the current crises what what it is.

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The victors of WWI, WWI and the Cold War fought for the **world's
* freedom.
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How quickly they forget!

Peace To All Who Read This...

Has WW III been declared, was I in the loo?

Splendid Isolation is no longer the reserve of the American brain cell, China can get involved through the UN with a veto.

China supports Russian-French-German memorandum on Iraq](http://www.interfax.ru/one_news_en.html?lang=EN&tz=0&tz_format=MSK&id_news=5621479) Interfax

BEIJING. Feb 25 (Interfax-China) - China supports a memorandum on the problem of Iraq put forward by Russia, France and Germany, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Kong Quan has said. “China expresses its full agreement with and comprehensive support of the ideas formulated in the tripartite memorandum,” he said.

China still “does not think that a new resolution on Iraq is needed,” Kong said. “At the present time, all parties concerned should contribute to the activity of [the international weapons] inspectors in Iraq, who are to present their reports at the March 7 Security Council session,” the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman said.

Dear People?

Who once said..silence is golden?

China, the Chineese are a smart people. Likely they allign with France and Germany..on Iraq issues.....A reason for war (imoh) has not ben proven to be called for there.

Likely they are watching N.K. closely and smartly observing. Isn't diplomacy called for there?

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