where do

[ajazali]

Re: where do

Listen med11,

Following is the post from where the discussion between you and me started, right!

@ajazali

lolz

you said religion will disappear and humanity will take its place. Dont know how suddenly humanity became irrelevant
I got that you knew defending believe in humanity is so hard for you espacially when you believe in randomness

Let me tell others what you people believe and that it is as bad as hell for the humanity.
Atheists believe that the universe is random in most of the senses that it is made, proceeding, and or occurring without definite aim, purpose, reason, or pattern.
That clearly contradicts with concept of humanity as there is no definite aim, purpose or reason so human can do whatever they want, some can even justify the killing, stealing and any other evil in the name of randomness.

Considering that you have nothing to say about humanity, imagine how dreadful it would be if your ideas are floated in the world.
As soon as modern civilization realizes how damaging your ideas are it will start shunning and condemning such ideas.

Following is your post in reply to my post above. This post has ideas contradicting with beliefs of atheists except the paradox you mentioned. But i have answered paradox question.
When i highlighted things from your posts that go against the belief of atheists, then you corrected those things in very next post #35. for example in this post you implied that notion of good and evil exists, and in post#35 you changed it to ‘notion of good and evil does not exist’. This is contradiction. And your very next post #35 confirms what i said about atheists in my post above. You came to counter the post above but ended up with agreeing in post # 35 what is said in my post above.

@Med911

Why must everything have a purpose? And the Universe may or may not have been created randomly, but if your logic is that nothing can be born out of “nothingness,” then the idea that a supreme being created the Universe doesnt in any way resolve the issue, as it just creates another paradox. Because if you believe that nothing can exist without something preceding it, then how to explain God? There is an inconsistency in that logic that most religious people lazily ignore.

**And why must god exist for you to have a sense of right and wrong? Even animals have a sense of right and wrong, its ingrained within is.

Murder, unjustifiable is bad. Stealing is bad, rape is bad etc. I dont need anyone to tell me its that way, I already know it is because I can see that inflicts pain on the recipient. Humans can do anything they want, but society is there to define the limits. That is why we humans always create higher-arches, to impose a sense of order.

Good is simply that which is off greatest beneficence, while bad is that which does the greatest harm.

The belief that morality can only be ascertained through the existence of god doesn’t make much sense. We dont need an ultimate arbitrtor, we simply need two eyes to see with, a brain to think with, and a heart to feel with.**

The bolded part is set of emotional argument and also contradicts with what atheists believe. the example you give from animals can be found in human being as well there is nothing special with that example. The problem is, it is emotional to say that you have brain and heart to distinguish right and wrong and act upon right or good. Such reasoning has no significance in philosophical discourse.

let’s agree for the sake of argument that sense of right and wrong is ingrained within us. If i look at this post then i can agree(only emotionally) with you that sense of right and wrong is ingrained within us, but if i look at you very next post, it goes against your own stance, that notion of right and wrong does not exists. Contradiction…

Now, it’s up to you what you choose.

1. If you choose to believe the “sense of right and wrong is ingrained within us” then you have to give rational reasoning against this emotional stance, that sense of right and wrong is same as sense of distinguishing good and acting upon good only accordingly.
2. If you choose to believe the notion from your post #35 that is Perhaps there is no “right or wrong” then you go against you own stance said in ‘1’ and you agree what i said about atheist in my first post.

p.s. I am not in favor of galmorizing athiests, but since an atheist entered the thread attacking religion as it will be dead, so i find it necessary to reply.