Where do thoughts come from?

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Re: Where do thoughts come from?

The question came to mind again and I re-visited the thread.

@muqawwee123

environment is quite big term. no?

by environment you mean what blacklisted prince said ?

@Blacklisted_Prince

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Thoughts come from imagination (wht we imagine abt a specific thing) n r always on the basis of our experiences we faced/heard by someone/hv seen in our past
So they r always related to our past same like worries related to the future
A person being sad, afraid, needy leads his imagination to think negatively n person being happy, confident etc leads his imagination to think positive
I think ppl reflect themselves by their actions of wht they r made of ( thoughts )

As for the controlling our thoughts, if the thoughts r positive, I dnt think therez any need to control them, they make a person struggler

Unfortunately we r nt capable of control all of our thoughts but yea we can control most of them by practicing n that depends on will power of one.
The prb with the thoughts is, if u dnt cntrol them they usually control u n overcome u, n that wht makes a person weak, sick n mentally disturbed
One cant control his/her thoughts by the night, but yea they can easily hv the idea wht type of thoughts actually disturbing them
And one more thing, controlling ur thoughts dznt mean stop thinking or make ur mind stop working, controlling also means to divert ur thoughts to some other things which dnt diturb u by getting urself involved in other things

Wo kehte hain
Apni soch ko qaboo mein rakho ku k inse khyalat bnte hain
Khyalat alfaz aur alfaz amal bntey hain
Aur aamaal kirdaar aur kirdaar shakhsiyt bn jati hai

n off course jb aisa ho jaey tou phr cntrol krna ziada mushkil ho jata hai, so its always more easy to cntrol in the beginning

makes sense

@ajazali

There are other factors too. For example, 2 people in same environment could think entirely different depending upon their nature.

Because of different experiences ?

@TLK

If we had control over our thoughts, then it would be counted towards our sawab and gunah when we had a good or a bad thought

That answers the latter part of the question. Where do you think thoughts come from in the first place ?

@psyah

What I had written before was that thought does not come from the environment … stimuli come from the environment in the form of photons for everything physically visible, in the form of heat, pressure, adhesion and cohesion for touch sensitivity, in the form of chemical bonding with olfactory sensors for smelling and with the taste buds on the tongue for tasting, in the form of sound waves for hearing. All of these do not generate thought - they are ways the external world comes in to physical contact with us … These in turn generate internal subconscious responses which will then be collected via the heart and brain to create “conscious response” - that is a thought … it comes from within - in the absence of being able to measure the ruh or soul it appears that the brain is where “we” are … however, religion refer to the core or essence to be from the heart … and really we can today deduce that the heart does have independent operations that do not include the brain - certain processes seem to be not only happening subconsciously but also preemptively and it means that there is something else that originates the thought forming process - but it becomes entirely us who own the thought when it condenses in our conscious sphere …

It is also not necessary that stimuli from the environment cause us think - we can think quite independently from the environment albeit our frames of reference will be from what we have learnt from the environment … such as in dreams …

Secondly, although thoughts appear and crystalise without much control the lucidity and depth and dwelling of thoughts is in our control … This is why by saying astaghfirullah and other invocations we can eliminate passing rogue evil thoughts and by deeply focusing and mediating we can fine tune our God Consciousness in a way that we programme or positively teach ourselves to know how to intuitively give regard to the good thoughts and halt the evil ones … by using emotional responses we can rebuke ourselves and by praising Allah (SWT) we can remain humble for all good things we think …

Surat Saba’ [34:50] - The Noble Qur’an - ??? ???

@blacklisted prince - thoughts are the superclass - imagination is a type of thought process that does not include external stimuli at the point of experience. Imagination is etymologically linked to magic and image … which has the connotation that it has some illusory nature and that it is created or built up to make something unreal perceptively real … unreal does not mean fake or false - because the reality of what is being imagined does not have to be limited to the objective means of measurement … such as faith in God. Faith is an imaginal thought process, but it is not imagination in the sense of being faux or made up … It can be said however that tangible references to thoughts - i.e. the ones where we can build up mental pictures seem to be clearer than the thoughts that are pure feeling such as the ones that are linked to the Presence of God, etc

Simple words plz It went above my head.

@Krypton

i wonder what the function of the larynx was before it was utilized in speech

Where did that come from ?