Where are the Pakistani Dalits. Are there any Pakistani born into a “low caste”.
Please don’t deny that there are no dalits in Pakistan. I enough Pakistani’s to know that they exist.
Anyone?
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pakistani dalits:confused: …never heard of any dalit in pakistan:halo: …
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Really; I don't believe that.
Chura, Chamar, Mirassi etc etc. My Pakistani friends like to use these as curse words a lot.
I mean, the population of dalits in Indian Punjab is 33%. I would say it is the same in Pakistan Punjab.
Where are they?
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Guys, the term used here of Dalit is used by Indians, it’s never really used in Pakistan. But this user, Kataria sounds like a trouble maker to me. They term Dalits as untouchables, yet all Pakistanis dont prejudice each other half as bad as the Indian side, the Human rights abuses are ridiculous to Dalits. Dr Ambedkar stood proud over many other lesser contributing but ‘self confessed’ dominant castes in his influence.
At least we do engage with our Mirasis, Nai’s etc. They are Muslim and we pray with them shoulder to shoulder at our mosques, regardless of our backgrounds. Do others in India do that? Bull**** do they…they term them untouchable. Oh my God, you would die if one touched you wouldn’t you Kataria? What out of date nonsense.
I’m all for pride of tribal identity, but not at the cost of my religious duty to not see any caste inferior to me.
Then you ask where are they? Are they your lost family or something? Is this a deliberate attempt to try and create trouble here? tut tut.
If a Dalit is a low class scum who is of a low class character, then Kataria is certainly the Dalit of Gupistan, lol!!! 
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I don't mean to cause trouble; I just want to talk to a few of them.
First of all; why are Pakistani "lower" castes, so afraid to reveal their identity.
The Indian dalits these days are highly politicized and militant and these days fairly well off.
I want to talk to a few muslim dalits and see how they experience life living in Pakistan.
I mean; it's all good for you to say that they are treated equally with no discrimination, but I know that the Pakistani dalits have different experiences and perspectives.
I want to know what they are.
For example, some the stories my friends from Pakitan tell me, it seems that Pakistani dalits have it worse than Indian dalits. Atleast the fuedal system is almost dead in India; where as it exists strongly in Pakistan.
By the way; I am Jat.
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Kataria:
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why are Pakistani "lower" castes, so afraid to reveal their identity.
The Indian dalits these days are highly politicized and militant and these days fairly well off.
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You seem not to have introduced to the idea that caste is not based on birth. There may be relatively lower professionals among Muslims, but there is no one with lower "caste".
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Well said bro. I dont care if a dude is dark or low cast in hinduism or whatever. If he is a muslim, then he’s my brother no doubt about it.
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Sorry mate, I dont buy that for a minute, your a trouble maker from the word go.
Because like the bro above said, we dont have any. When you accept Islam, you lose your caste chains. You are now just Muslim and now create your own identity. Your tribal identity may come into play i.e. what social occupation you do, but you are no longer inferior by birth or anything silly and outdated like that.
Strange. Because only 4 weeks ago they were argued against by other classes at why the govt ws proposing to help them with their education, which because of corruption was being denied to them at a huge scale. Casteism is very much alive and well against them sadly in India. I'm not surprised they are militant, they have the nations extremist twats disadvantaging them at every step denying them human rights, regardless of their intellectuality.
Like I said, buy a ticket and go Pakistan see for yourself. They will laugh you out of the state! There is no such thing as a Dalit. There are people who do menial tasks, but they are not burned, attacked, if one is touched then the masses don't bathe themselves. Just go to a Mosque, a market and you will see this. Things aren't religiously or socially against such people as they are in India. Infact Baba Buleh Shah's Pir was a 'Nai' and for that one feeling of superiority he spent years repenting. Take a hint.
Read the post. Equality even amongst everyday brothers doesn't even exist, lol. But things are not taken to religious social extremes. Go into a Mosque and see for yourself. Go to Mecca, ALL people walk together, help each other as equals. It even melted the extreme heart of Malcolm X no less. Your blatantly trying to make trouble between us here, it's more obvious than a red spot on a nose.
What a joke. Almost dead in India?! 'Dying' YES on a daily basis all over the world class divisions are falling, but feudal system almost dead in India? You on drugs or something? Pakistan has got cases but nowhere near the volume of communal, sectarian, casteist and feudalist nonsense that India has. If we have any remnants it's through heritage of YOUR culture mate which you are so interested in. Your point is a but hypocritical though. You know it exists strongly but want to find out IF it exists. What a joke....
I wouldn't bathe myself if I was touched by a Dalit, lol!!!!
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Like that really made a difference. You almost sounded like you thought that would change things, lol!!!!
There is no such thing as a ''Pakistani Dalit.'' Their caste affiliation died as soon as they embraced Islam. By Shariah law today, if a by YOUR definition a chamar or a nai would be more pious than me, he would be more superior to me in the eyes of Islam, Khuda and his Nabi (pbuh). What other peoples gives that kind of empowerment to someone? I thank God such evil crap isn't justified in our faith.
Thats funny, some extremism always 'has a friend who tells them' doesn't he? what nonsense...
Yes your dalits are getting pissed off with your traditional methods of segregation, isolation and corrupt means to keep them down. India is many times bigger than Pakistan, so the incidents are larger without a doubt. Infact go and check the Human rights abuses towards low castes then come on here and cause trouble then.
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You seem not to have introduced to the idea that caste is not based on birth. There may be relatively lower professionals among Muslims, but there is no one with lower "caste".
Bro, he's trying to create trouble. Caste doesnt exist in Islam, but tribalism which doesn't carry the haraam sides of casteism doesn exist. But he's trying to create rifts and barriers between us.
I wonder how the LOWER CASTES in INDIA are getting on? Imagine if they all ran around and touched every HIGH CASTE what would happen then? a Massive wave of bathing!!!! I have even read that some would have to bathe in Cow urine to purify themselves, lol.
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Why are you guys getting angry. You guys are like Hindu Brahmins who say that dalits have equal rights or Sikh who say that there are no castes in Sikhism.
Where are the real Muslim Dalits? Silly Billy are you one?
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Kataria, good discussion.
Dalits or supposedly low-castes do exist in societies of Pakistan. They are called "bad-zat" or "kami-kameen" and denied civic rights. Most of the times, they are victom of worst kind of oppression and class discrimination.
The so-called equality of Islam only remains limited to the mosque. Outside the mosque, situation reverts to what was before the prayers i.e. some are nobles enjoying all rights and others ignobles and scum of the earth.. And in mosque also, the noble/gentry is given place in the front lines.
In early Islamic society, Arab race was considered superior and non-Arabs inferior. Non-Arabs were required to be associated with an Arab tribe as "Muali". A Muala could not change his master without the approval of previous master. In the Dewan of Hadrath Umar, people of status e.g. Qurash nobility of Mecca were given highest stipends whereas Beduine Arabs lowest. Muali were not given any stipends.
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Where are the real Muslim Dalits? Silly Billy are you one?
Well Kataria.
If you ever speak to Pakistani shoe maker/dhobhi/barber ask them what cast are they.
They will tell you they are not shoe maker/dhobhi/barber but some other regular cast.
Well now when those people make money and change social class and start some new profession they are not shoe maker/dhobhi/barber but the other cast , they knew they were.
System doesn't support cast system so they have equal chances to come up.
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For the other extremist Person here.
When we say we are Muslims we don't become machine or a mathematical equation which has to in the order 100%
We still are humans. So we have human implementations of the Islamic principle.
We are not perfect like an equation or like a machine.
But
I don't know if any other society have achieved better social equality then Muslims???
Please don't say west because then naturally I am going to point out black people.
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Islam places emphasis on "Taqwa", which determines partially a person's place in society and wholly in the eyes of Allah. Islam also lends support to the concept of rights/privileges by virtue of noble birth.
Probably, in "spiritual realm" (in the world hereafter or in pure religious sense ), Islam sets "taqwa as a criterian" to define a person's status (e.g. Allah likes those who have taqwa) but in "temporal realm" (in this world or in the sense of politics and civic rights), it retains the old class-based structure of society, where some are elite and some inferior (i.e. you may be having 'taqwa" but may be still be poor and underprivileged). To the poor are the promises of "jannah" (heaven) and for a person of noble birth are the lavishes of this world.
Sectarianism also influences all this e.g. in a Shia state a Shia may be more privileged than a Sunni. In the Wahabi state of Saudia, a person subscribing to Wahabi doctrine has a higher status.
Islam, like other religions, fails to propound a system where all people have equal opportunity and status, in terms of civic rights, irrespective of religious/sectarian affiliation, caste, or color. Western democratic secularism far outweights Islam in this regard.
Also, practically, social and political dynamics are driven by concrete interests rather than "taqwa" and martial and religious classes manage to grab almost all the privilges taking advantage of the abiguity or justification, for elitism, in religious teachings.
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Ist pic shows The Sikh Light Infantary. Composed of Dalit Chamar and Chura Sikh. One of the most decorated regiments in India.
The Second pic shows the Mahar regiment composed of Dalit Mahar caste members. Also very highly decorated.
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....and yet none of them will ever lead the army.....
Nice try though.
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Sorry to hurt your feeling but the Sikh Light Infantry has produced one army chief: General Ved Prakash Malik (10th Sikh LI).
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hahahahaha
chora sikh
chamar sikh hahahahhaha
I wonder why muslim invader did not kill all of india ????
Or atleas "high cast" people who hijacked the socity for thousends of year.
And made life miserable for common people.
If I ever had taken ovre india I would have killed all "higher cast" people.