where aktually da prblm liez

While i waz layin plans 4 tomorrow I can’t help 2 miss ma brothers who went abroad. Tis got m thinkin why do v (Pakistani’s n other) go there, y don’t Americanz or British or Canadians or Japnese come n study in Pakistani Uniz n want 2 work in Pakistani companiez.

m sure da abv thought makes u laugh, it did made m laugh 2 but then if 1 think of it, its not a laughin matter after all.

-Not Jus Pakistan, less then 1% of world renowned Scientists r Muslimz. Doubt dat… consider how many inventionz Muslim Scientistz hv came up in last 100 yearz.

then i thot may b Islam or sum conflict regardin Religion n Science holdin us back?.. If dat was da case then how can 1 explain da clear lead Muslim Scientistz/Astrologerz/Surgeonz had up untill 1600 yearz ago. @ 1 point in History Baghdad waz centre of knowledge frm Spain to Persia. Muslims had basement research institues 4 Chemistry n Astronomy n Muslims were researching when Europe was in dark agez.
There were sectionz devoted who wud translate manuscripts frm Greek n other languages n learn frm da research in da past.
da abv are not just myths, theze r well documented facts in not only Islamic Institutes but American Universitiez.

But doez Science really belong 2 a religion?.. Is Muslims science any different then Chrisitian science?.. If v look around i think v can clearly see dat Christian Science is no different then Japnese or chinese or Hindu science.

I know abt hundredz of students frm Muslim countries goin 2 US n Europe 2 do Phd’s n lot of them return 2 but somehow tis vacum still remains. Wat do u think causes it?.. y our countriez r so dependent on west when it comes 2 Science n Technology. Thank God da West 4 da vaccines v all hv.

da 1 distinction dat back in those centuriez when Muslims acquired some knowledge frm da West (mainly Greek) they didn’t just take it s it is. They studied it, tested it, researched it, kept sum n trashed sum n then developed more on sum. There were theze constant confrencez n discussions on diff subjectz n experimentz done 2 further explore it. Similarly when West acquired any knowledge or conceptz frm Muslims or Chinese or any1 they didn’t just take da face value n further developed it.

However wid Western Imperialism runnin in last few centuries, when v acquire sum knowledge or Technology frm em v don’t put resources in2 further developin it. v r even dependent on countries like China n Korea 2 help us wid Technology dat West developed 50 yearz ago n banned us frm it.

i really feel da problem doesn’t lie wid talent or intellect but wid a slave or dependent mentality dat has risen frm Imperialism.

damn! i shud shut up now, some of da abv may not b even cohesive but ramblings, i have been up hearin ma mum’s :frusty2: 4 more then 5 hourz on not goin 2 sum weddin of a duuuuuuuuuuuur paray ka relative :bummer:

Problem Lies on u & me.

Take a look at the course outlines of any westren university & the refrence books, the chances r u will find them same as ours in 90% cases. Then what went wrong ? I personally know Places/Software Houses/Institutes who earn money by helping students making their thesis & Final Year Projects. U pay them, they will do it for u.

We took the “re” out from the “research”. We ran away from the Hard work, we blaim others. & yes we just Talk, like & i r doing right now.

Malaysia sent its students in westrent world in 1960’s, 70’s. Asked them to earn there go get a job. After 5-10 years Malaysia announced all malaysian citizens working aboard will be givin the same salary & growth opportunities come & work for ur country, most graduate came back & u can see the diffrence today.

A very low ratio of Science graduates we have in our country, u & i r one of them… what we have done ? There were hundreds of students who were better then us maybe, but for whatever reason they couldnt go to school. This puts a greater responsibility on u & me.

U mentioned the problem lies in “slave or dependent mentality” & since U & i now know, it again puts a greater responsibility on us to sort it out.

We have miss understood the religion (perhaps we were forced to) I havent seen any religion which restricts its followers from the research. U can find in Quran (a closer translation) “Come & Explore”. Isnt it a Licence from God to a Human to Explore & research ?.. Traffic Police dosent give u an licence to drive if u r not eligible, … if we werent eligible we would never get this Licence from God to explore & research.

U didnt mention where those research material & Books go from Baghdad ? Those were sold out for few hundred Womens.

Muslim Sceintists, Well Dr. Abdus Salam was here in Pak, He proved Low & High Radio Active forces r basically same, his other research work was on to find the similarity between the Gravitational Force & Electro Megnatical Force. For some reason He couldnt prove it but he gave us the direction to follow. Imagine if one day we can find out that all the major forces r basically same we can do anything, creating any kind of force will not be a problem.

Again u spoke about the restricted technologies, if restricted dosent mean now its gone & forget it, did u do any effort to research & learn it urself ? Those F16 I.C.'s for e.g. Those r restricted, but those r just based on same Electronic gates, if u cant get the desired IC u can design ur own circuit from the millions of available ICs… but who gona study the I/O’s of the circuit requirments?.. “re” i was talking from the reasearch.

Like once i mentioned before, for any nation to survive two things r equally important, Its morals/Ethics & its research in Sceince & Technology, we r loosing both.

See… i can give a bigger speech, we all can thats our speciality, the only thing missing is Whos going to take the first step ?

:bravo:

hmmmm...good points u guys