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um? ok?
Men do have restrictions. But this thread is based on the Women, so lets stick to that, we can start another thread on the men, its not a problem.
There are many places where I can work, in a fitnah free environment, safe, and legal that in the west. So I don’t know what notion of the west you are clinging on to 
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Crescent, plz start a thread abt men... im sick of guys opening threads like this abt women :)
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^ sara, I honestly can't grasp whats wrong with this thread. It presents the fitnah awaiting women.
How can you disagree with me that this world is not safe for them?
I SUPPORT women getting knowledge becoming doctors, teachers, whatever!
As LONG as its within the Bounds of Shariah. That article is especially targeted to those who don't abide the bounds of shariah.
There is no text in the quran or sunnah which makes it unlawful for women to work or to do any lawful profession, The only thing that should be provided is that she is within the modesty level within the shariah.
The only thing is , if she is married, she needs permission of her husband! The case is different if she is married to some messed up freak.
You also have to know, when she takes these professions, she can't take up jobs as dancing, modelling, acting etc. that display her beauty.
Also many jobs are forbidden for women also for men, such as working ina beer store.
The biggest problem that PCG is not presenting the context to me is that, women in the Prophet's time and after, were in a islamic state, in an islamic society.
Sara if the west was an islamic society as not as fitnah filled as it is, WOMEN could never be "married to her" house as you put it.
Women however have no financial obligations in islam. It is the duty of man in the family the hakim to look after the financial aspects of the family. Therefore under normal conditions a woman need not work. **However, **in certain genuine cases due to financial crisis the family where both ends do not meet, she has the option to work with the permission of her husband even in such conditions, no one can force her to work.
She can study do whatever she wants, ISlam **promotes her to be independent, and **gives her many rights. For example in fasting, men cannot miss a fast. But women can, due to their menstrual cycles to make it up later. To give you an example.
To answer to PCG, the islamic society back then promoted this, in that society they can be doctors, physicians, whatever they want.
It all Comes to abiding the Shariah. Which all of you ignored while trying to attack me.
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Now this is what you guys really brought out, and to be honest, in today's society it is not surprising that you guys think this way.**
All your posts mention the futility of Deeni Knowledge as compared to Worldy Knowledge. If a women is an Alimah, and she wishes to teach her kids deen, then she is dumb, because she did not have any worldly knowledge.
Why is the deen of Allah swt nothing in comparison to the worldly knowledge?
I think I've heard enough against my religious teaching today. It pains me to see that deen can be brought to such a low level, and worldy knowledge to such high status.
What good is Allah and his teachings to us anyways? We must memorize the Periodic table as it will benefit us more.
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As per your views, my thinking is clearly wrong and out of line, as I am all for attaining both worldly and Islamic education.
You know there has got to be a balance. You cannot suggest that worldly education is bad and useless for women and becoming an aalimah alone is the means to solving all problems when rearing children. A woman needs both worldly and Islamic education in order to raise her children properly. A mother lacking religious and/or worldly education will not be able to raise her kids in the best possible manner.
Instead of jumping to conclusions and suggesting how some of us these days cannot understand the value of deen, you need to clearly understand that no one would suggest that a woman should not acquire religious knowledge and only needs to acquire post secondary education and somehow post secondary education alone would suffice. There has to be a balance between the post secondary and Islamic education. Neither one can be ignored or assumed to be useless.
Like I mentioned earlier, I'm very much familiar with folks who follow this madhab or one similar to it. It is very easy for you to suggest 'women should stay at home, become aalimas and raise kids'. However, I'm not too sure how familiar you are with such females. I personally have met men who adhere to your beliefs and have met wives of such men. In most cases it's nothing pretty or encouraging. Besides, it just doesn't stop here (i.e. women should raise kids and look after home). Unfortunately, there's much more that is taught and followed due to which the lives of many women have become rather difficult.
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I am for women who get knowledge. What has been debated is how the women gain that knowledge. But If you don't follow such methods when and only when Abiding by the Shariah, then there is something wrong with women going out in the world.
Secondly, A women who does totally devote her life to deeni knowledge, does not make her
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I believe all of us would agree that none of us go out to acquire post secondary education in an inappropriate manner. You must keep in mind that not everyone has exact same beliefs and not everyone is at a level where they can incorporate everything all at once.
Out of curiosity, are you familiar with females who have only acquired religious education and ignored post secondary education?
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So to make it obligatory upon women to study worldy affairs, is not right either.
Women have numerous status in Islam, but to be safeguarded they must adhere to the Sunnah of the Prophet Pbuh.
This thread is based on the commands on the Women in Islam> There can be just as well a thread on Men and commands upon them. So lets focus on women in Islam.
It was not a daily practice of the Mothers of the Ummah R.A. To take their kids out for a stroll in the park, and to just go for a walk around the neighbourhood in the times of Prophet pbuh.
They were told to screen from men. Not told to be Prisoned in a home. The Notion that most people defensively reiterate their stand on is the fact that when a women should be safeguarded at home, it means she is Prisoned by the Hakim of the House.
I don't understand why people of such ideology are even replying here.
To be safeguarded from fitnah, especially in today's time is a critical priority. And the Sunnah explains clearly the ways to go about it.
To reject the Sunnah, to mingle with opposite sex, and to dress innappropiately is not accepted in Islam.
Islam does not conform to a certain time frame.
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In contemporary world, it is vital that a woman attains post secondary education and not only religious education. Otherwise such women can end up with husbands who impose their own laws and rules on their wives by suggesting 'tum chup raho.... tumhain kya pata', or the wife is more often than not seen as someone inferior.
In addition, why do you feel that your 'ideology' happens to be the correct one and those with different views are somehow totally lost or misguided?
The rest of us have just as much right to participate and express our beliefs and opinions as you do. Try to take things into perspective rather than jumping on conclusions.
I honestly wonder how much exposure you've had with wives of such husbands or women in general. I personally know of an individual who made some suggestions and gave me plenty of naseeha on how I should not do co-op, only to find out that he wears a uniform to his workplace and has female co-workers. Somehow it is okay for men to mingle and to be in an environment where there are women, yet not alright for women to attend public educational institutions.
As for the Islamic schools, there are only a couple in Toronto that have good reputation. Remainder are all pretty kachra. They're only naam kay Islamic schools and that's about it. Yes, they may teach you a little about Islam; however, their worldly education is below the ministry standards. Also, it is normal for youth to develop interest in members of the opposite gender. However, only parents or good education could help one stay within limits and help one from crossing the set bounds. Islamic schools are filled with corrupt kids and horrible stories. Therefore, they aren't much better than public schools. Islamic schools are usually good for primary education and it's best to switch over to public educational institutions after.
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Listen to yourself.. in one post you say that they shouldn't be taking their babies for a walk or even leave hte home to do the grocery shopping or any other household duties, but now you're saying that you suppor thtem becoming doctors, teachers etc? You're full of contradictions man. How can a woman raise good decent kids by never stepping foot out her home?
No one's denying that sexual harrassment and rape and abuse take place; however, as sahar said, if you ** avoid ** sending your daughters to school or get a job, then ur just instilling fear into them, that they should never step outside into the world. You're letting pervs and rapists win.
You said you'd send your daughters (for sake of argument, i'm going to assume you meant to say sons as well :)) to madrassahs and that's perfectly fine, I would do the same for my kids, send them to a school where they learn ISlam and english and math adn science etc. However, once they leave that environment then what? There is no such thing as a purely Islamic country, and no matter how hard you try to keep out the bad influences, it's a fact of life that those things exist and you have to instill in your kids values that will help them deal with these evils. One example of the fitnah in ur original post was that girls will marry non-Muslims... well teach them why it's wrong, and to respect themselves and thier religion and theyll make good decisions, instead of forbidding them from going to high school or college/university.
It's the mother's responsibility to instill in her kids knowledge and values. Again, how can she do that if she has no knowledge of anything? According to you, if she can't even take her kids for a stroll in the park or do groceries or run errands outside the home, then how can she learn to be a doctor? That doesn't make any sense.
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As per your views, my thinking is clearly wrong and out of line, as I am all for attaining both worldly and Islamic education.
You know there has got to be a balance. You cannot suggest that worldly education is bad and useless for women and becoming an aalimah alone is the means to solving all problems when rearing children. A woman needs both worldly and Islamic education in order to raise her children properly. A mother lacking religious and/or worldly education will not be able to raise her kids in the best possible manner.
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You quoted what I wrote, but I think for some reason you did not read what it said. I was responding to those people who putting status of worldy knowledge **over **deeni knowledge.
Tell me where I said worldy knowledge is bad.
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Instead of jumping to conclusions and suggesting how some of us these days cannot understand the value of deen, you need to clearly understand that no one would suggest that a woman should not acquire religious knowledge and only needs to acquire post secondary education and somehow post secondary education alone would suffice. There has to be a balance between the post secondary and Islamic education. Neither one can be ignored or assumed to be useless.
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I did not 'assume' worldly knowledge to be useless. But do not agree with those who said *deeni knowledge *is useless.
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Like I mentioned earlier, I'm very much familiar with folks who follow this madhab or one similar to it. It is very easy for you to suggest 'women should stay at home, become aalimas and raise kids'. However, I'm not too sure how familiar you are with such females. **I personally have met men who adhere to your beliefs **and have met wives of such men. In most cases it's nothing pretty or encouraging. Besides, it just doesn't stop here (i.e. women should raise kids and look after home). Unfortunately, there's much more that is taught and followed due to which the lives of many women have become rather difficult.
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I have also met such couples, and they have further reiterated my stand on this issue. They themselves are aware of the fitnah of this world, and how people are not abiding to the Shariah. Please do not tell me you believe that is not true.
What exactly do you mean by "your beliefs". I share the beliefs of my Ullema-e-Haqq, and I am a Sunni - Hanafi.
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I believe all of us would agree that none of us go out to acquire post secondary education in an inappropriate manner. You must keep in mind that not everyone has exact same beliefs and not everyone is at a level where they can incorporate everything all at once.
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Thats what the article was trying to target at, to bring awareness to a certain level.
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Out of curiosity, are you familiar with females who have only acquired religious education and ignored post secondary education?
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Actually yes I am. A guppan on this very forum actually, who pmed me commending the work on this site :) And she is also receiving post secondary knowledge, in a Shariah Controlled way ofcourse.
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In contemporary world, it is vital that a woman attains post secondary education and not only religious education. Otherwise such women can end up with husbands who impose their own laws and rules on their wives by suggesting 'tum chup raho.... tumhain kya pata', or the wife is more often than not seen as someone inferior.
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Islam does not support that. You're trying to imply that this is how i treat women? And treat women inferior?
Thats your belief against **me. **Not my belief towards women.
Once Hazrat Umar(r.a) was discussing about regulation of Mehr in the Mosque. They were considering putting restrictions on the Mehr as some people discouraged young Muslim men from getting married. A lady from the back-seat of the Mosque objected, giving Qur’anic reference. She said none has the right to introduce this. " When Allah has not put restrictions on the Mehr then who are you to put restrictions to it." Hazrat Umar (r.a) humbly replied that the woman was right and Umar (r.a) wrong. In Political terminology, the women’s objection will be called objection to the breaking of the law of the constitution as Qur’an is the constitution for the Muslims.
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In addition, why do you feel that your 'ideology' happens to be the correct one and those with different views are somehow totally lost or misguided?
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I defend myself because my ideology is greatly misunderstood. Understand what I'm trying to say. Before you go nuts on me.
And as I have told adn studied myself, add on the experiences from different Muslimahs, it is the correct one. Most Fuqhi's, Ullemas, Those studying Hadith have furthered enlightenened me on this.
Since I know you live in Toronto, I can refer you to some.
Sh. Maulana Umar (jucanada.org)
Sh. Imam Bilal
Sh. Aslam
And I had the priviledge of meeting a very prominent scholar from South Africa, sh Ilyas. He was recently in Toronto, and you might have had a chance of meeting him or if not hearing his talks int he area.
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The rest of us have just as much right to participate and express our beliefs and opinions as you do. Try to take things into perspective rather than jumping on conclusions.
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Please Sadiyah, go over every single post and see who is jumping to conclusions.
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I honestly wonder how much exposure you've had with wives of such husbands or women in general. I personally know of an individual who made some suggestions and gave me plenty of naseeha on how I should not do co-op, only to find out that he wears a uniform to his workplace and has female co-workers. Somehow it is okay for men to mingle and to be in an environment where there are women, yet not alright for women to attend public educational institutions.
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It is not ok, and to base your life on one example of a certain someone is not correct either. My exposure to them is enough.
And I don't understand who you're trying to bring out by isolating me on the side, my ideologies come from the experiences of them all too.
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As for the Islamic schools, there are only a couple in Toronto that have good reputation. Remainder are all pretty kachra. They're only naam kay Islamic schools and that's about it. Yes, they may teach you a little about Islam; however, their worldly education is below the ministry standards. Also, it is normal for youth to develop interest in members of the opposite gender. However, only parents or good education could help one stay within limits and help one from crossing the set bounds. Islamic schools are filled with corrupt kids and horrible stories. Therefore, they aren't much better than public schools. Islamic schools are usually good for primary education and it's best to switch over to public educational institutions after.
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There is a difference between a madressa and an instituition where you go to read Sipara.
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Listen to yourself.. in** one post you say that they shouldn't be taking their babies for a walk or even leave hte home to do the grocery shopping or any other household duties, but now you're saying that you suppor thtem becoming doctors, teachers etc? You're full of contradictions man**. How can a woman raise good decent kids by never stepping foot out her home?
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This is what you've been misunderstanding form the start. Listen to yourself.
There is a big difference in going out to get knowledge and education, and leaving for futile affairs.
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No one's denying that sexual harrassment and rape and abuse take place; however, as sahar said, if you **avoid **sending your daughters to school or get a job, then ur just instilling fear into them, that they should never step outside into the world. You're letting pervs and rapists win.
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I despise the western education system yes. And I would avoid my daughters going to high school or uni too, because I know what the system is like.
This however is different than me *depriving them **of their rights to knowledge, etc They have those rights, I believe as the article displays, **not safe for them in those environments. *
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You said you'd send your daughters (for sake of argument, i'm going to assume you meant to say sons as well :)) to madrassahs and that's perfectly fine, I would do the same for my kids, send them to a school where they learn ISlam and english and math adn science etc. However, once they leave that environment then what? There is no such thing as a purely Islamic country, and no matter how hard you try to keep out the bad influences, it's a fact of life that those things exist and you have to instill in your kids values that will help them deal with these evils. One example of the fitnah in ur original post was that girls will marry non-Muslims... well teach them why it's wrong, and to respect themselves and thier religion and theyll make good decisions, instead of forbidding them from going to high school or college/university.
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^ yes, It is an awareness to the fitnah. Sending them to madressah does instill value in them. It keeps them safe atleast.
You already said you would send it if you had the choice. So whats the problem then?
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It's the mother's responsibility to instill in her kids knowledge and values. Again, how can she do that if she has no knowledge of anything? According to you, if she can't even take her kids for a stroll in the park or do groceries or run errands outside the home, then how can she learn to be a doctor? That doesn't make any sense.
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refer a few paragraphs above.
be aware of the distinction between a stroll in the park, and acquiring knowledge.
WHAT PCG FAILED TO PROVIDE ME
(The following is what I believe btw sadiyah, as i've learned from my Ullema-e-Haqq. Incase you were wondering what my "beliefs" were.)
1. Aisha Bent Abu Baks
a. The first and foremost example is that of Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, who lived long after her husband’s death and provided great guidance to the first Muslim Community, even to the renowned sahabah and the Khalifah Rashidun. Her pupil, Urwah Ibn Azzubayr, testifies, “I did not see a greater scholar than Aishah in the learning of the Qur’an, obligatory duties, lawful and unlawful matters, poetry and literature, Arab history and genealogy.”
b. She had profound knowledge of medicine. Whenever foreign delegations came to the Prophet (Pbuh) and discussed various remedies for illnesses, she used to remember them. She was so wellversed in mathematics that important Sahabah used to consult her on the problems concerning “mirath” (inheritance) and the calculation of shares.
c. Aisha even guided Sahabah who sought her advice on different matters. They included the khalif “Umar” Abdullah Ibn Umar and Abu Hurairah. She was among the great huffaz (memorisers) of Ahadith. She narrated 2210 Ahadith in all.
d. Abu Musa Al-Ash’ari, himself a famous jurist and learned scholar, says “whenever we, companions of the Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh), encountered any difficulty in the matter of any Hadith we referred it to Aishah and found that she had definite knowledge about it.
e. 88 great scholars learnt from her and there were a large number of others. In short she was the scholar of scholars.
2. Saffiyah, wife of the Prophet (Pbuh)
Saifyyah, the wife of the Prophet (Pbuh), was also very learned in Fiqh. Imam an Nawawi says, “She was the most intellectual among learned women”.
3. Umm Salamah :Wife of the Prophet (Pbuh)
She too was a great scholar. The scholar, Ibn Hajar has given the names of at least 32 scholars who learnt Ahadith from her.
4. Faitmah Bint Qays:
Fatimah bint Qays was also a scholarly lady in the early days of Islam. Her learning was so deep that she discussed a juristic point with Umar and Aishah for a long time and they could not change or challenge her views. Imam an Nawwawi says, “She was one of those who emigrated in the early days and possessed great intellect and excellence.”
5. Umm Salim : Mother of Anas:
Umma Salim, the mother of the famous Sahabi Anas, was herself a highly respected Sahabiyah. Hafiz Ibn Hajar praises her, saying, “Her laudable qualities are too many to mention and she was very famous. Imam an-Nawawi calls her “an excellent scholar among the sahabiyah.”
The list of learned women of the early days of Islam shows that women were not kept illiterate and ignorant, but rather were fully encouraged to participate in the process of learning and scholarship. They also knew their rights and responsibilities very well. There were instances to show that some women even challenged great scholars of their times if they said something which was against the rights granted to women by the Qur’an the Sunnah.
6. Sayyida Nafisa : Grand daughter of Hussein
She was a great scholar. A large number of pupils came to her from different places to learn from her. Imam Shafii, founder of the Shafii school of Islamic law, was one of her illustrious pupils. One of the illustrious pupils of A’ishah was Umrah bint Abdur Rahman who was described by Ahmad Ibn Hambal in the following words.
“An eminent theologian and a great scholar. She was the most learned of all pupils in the Ahadith of Aishah.”
7. Umm Ad-Darda : Wife of Abu’d -Darda:
Umm-ad-Darda, the wife of the famous Sahabi Abu-ad-Darda, was so learned in the science of Hadith that Imam Al-Bukhari, one of the compilers of the Sihah as Sittah (the six canonical collections of Hadith) referred to her as an authority in his Sahih al sukhar.
8. Aisha Bint Sa’d Ibn Abi Waqqar:
She was the daughter of a great Sahabi, Sa’d Ibn Abi Waqqar. She was very learned in Islamic Sciences, to such an extent that Imam Malik, the famous jurist and scholar of Hadith, was her pupil.
Now Sadiyah, this is the appropiate way of living like a muslimah.
With the fitnah today, and the desperate need for an islamic state. You can realize what muslims have to go with today.
Before you all post, you guys need to understand the point.
I know how easy it is to jump to the conclusion from that article that women are being abused by extremists. But you need to approach everything objectively.
Jazakallah.
May Allah swt guide us all, and have mercy on us all.
Assalamalikum.
I must go massage my fingers now! =(
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Enjoyed evey bit of your post. I say ‘same’. But ‘similar’ will apply only if the other person gives a different scenario which may not be available fron Quran/Sunnah etc. Hope that wwas clear.
besides our head to head can be discussed again. I won’t change a bit unless I am given a different situation. Deal?
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Hey what about me? Do I get any credit at all?
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Well I did not misunderstood your statement. I disagreed for the same reason that It is Obligatory for both men and women to seek any kind of knowledge which can be useful for mankind. There is no distinction in men and women in this regard.
No one said Islam needs to change. Islam is the best religion that mankind can have and the sole reason for it to be applicable to all ages is its ability to fit for any circumstances. We just need toset asode our own bias and insecurities.
Well, how can you say they have right to gain knowledge but are against it at the same time. If you meant just religious knowledge then we have problem.
Why can’t same bounds of shariah apply when she is NOT the head of household…I know what you will say.
But point here is that bounds of shariah must apply all the time and hence women can learn any good knowledge helpful for everyone anytime.
We need women all the time to help other women and not just those who are sole head of the house. Do we have to wait for another woman to lose her husband by any means so she can learn and help others? Off couse not.
There must be a great system to punish the evil doers without prejudice and examplary enough to minimise the chance a woman may get harmed.
Just to remind you zana/adultry was still present in the prophet’s (PBUH) days and evil people exist in eny society/culture or nations regardless of what religion it belongs to.
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Well, how can you say they have right to gain knowledge but are against it at the same time. If you meant just religious knowledge then we have problem.
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Right, please understand the point i'm trying to make. I can't keep repeating myself of the point, while getting into useless irrelevant material.
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Why can't same bounds of shariah apply when she is NOT the head of household....I know what you will say.
But point here is that bounds of shariah must apply all the time and hence women can learn any good knowledge helpful for everyone anytime.
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It can, depends on her husband. Sighs, im tired. Refer to the psots above.
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There must be a great system to punish the evil doers without prejudice and examplary enough to minimise the chance a woman may get harmed.
Just to remind you zana/adultry was still present in the prophet's (PBUH) days and evil people exist in eny society/culture or nations regardless of what religion it belongs to.
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Yes in the era of the Prophet pbuh, women were not regarded as humans. They were treated as dumb peace of things that were used at leisure.
It was Islam that brought women the rights.
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Yes in the era of the Prophet pbuh, women were not regarded as humans. They were treated as dumb peace of things that were used at leisure.
By not wishing for women to leave their home, even to take out the darn garbage, I think you're actually purporting the same thing.
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How can you disagree with me that this world is not safe for them?
Then how about you try making it safe for them?
Sadiyah, this thread is getting sick and ridiculous. Just like you closed another thread because they are posting theories that are not based in Quran or Sunnah or are twisting words of the Quran, I think you ought to really close this thread too. God forbid, some poor girl actually listens to what this guy says and thinks he's right just because he's using a whole bunch of Islamic smilies.
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What if her husband does not ALLOW it?
I think its up to the parents to teach her or provide her the means to gain the knowledge of ALL kind.
After that husband has the authority but if she has not other activities and kids are at school or just not present then she should get any kind of ‘good’ ‘useful’ knowledge and that is still her right! Husband cannot for any weak reason stop her to gain knowledge if she observes shariah boundaries. Besides even if kids are home husband must give her time to learn new things and it can only help the family in future. Deeni knowledge is a must but we know this will NOT be sufficient.
Both kind of knowledges (if you insist in making distinction) are MANDATORY.
More knowledge is always better. We just do not know when our women may need to go out to safeguard our families and they need to be fully prepared.
Not just when the time of crisis come and they are left with no skills or techniques to survive in this world with our beloved children.
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Not to mention the fact that women deserve to have the joy and pleasure of gaining knowledge, just like men do.
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Thanks. May Allah listen to you…always…!!
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And please enlighten us as to where I said that women are not allowed to leave their homes at all, not even for garbage.
I already presented you the view on Women of the Ullema e haqq. Please get back to the topic.
I actually thought I had someone to explain this to. But you just can’t seem to compile together valid arguments. Let it alone them be sound.
Why don’t you stop your attack on me, and put that brain power on the topic at hand.
You couldn’t even back up your own argument, I had to provide and explain Your** “argument” 
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Secondly, Not one islamic smily was used in ANY of my posts. Sorry to dissapoint you.
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No, you did not provide a view of any ullema that makes any sense. You, as I say again, and I will continue saying, did not provide any arguement other than an ayah of the Quran, which I've already told you was directed to the Prophet's wives only.
Therefore, your argument is zero, and the people you quoted are quacks, or those are words being put into their mouths.
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an ayah of the Quran, which I've already told you was directed to the Prophet's wives only.
i mean..come on....where r the moderators??...they should maintain the check and balance system here in order to stablize the maturity of this "religious american shifted pakis forum".......
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Ok. I’m definitely dealing with someone who can’t read.
Im not** THAT** stupid to keep posting the same thing over and over again.
If you can’t understand, don’t post. Everything is there, The Ayahs used wre from the Quran thus they were from Allah swt. Allah swt is not a crack (naouzubillah).
Abu Musa Al-Ash’ari, Urwah Ibn Azzubayr, Imam An Nawaawi **ARE NOT **Quacks!
If you don’t abide their work, atleast don’t mock them!
Look at the title of the thread. “When Women Merge”. The fitnah they face, the reasoning is what the article was based on, stats. THen look at how muslimah is in Islam.
I can’t keep trying to explain it to you, if you don’t understand, its ok, run along to shor sharaba or something. I can’t spoon feed you all the time.
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i didnt read everything in the thread but the fact that u guys are so concerned about women bundling up in tents and homes and not interacting with other people amazes me. u open threads about a woman living her whole life in a tent/house and saying that she is a woman and she is genetically programmed to be content with this life (as opposed to a man which must not be blamed for his beastlyl desires to want to rape a scantily dressed woman)....and then claim to non-muslims what an easy religion islam is (there is no oppression, compulsion in islam bla bla bla)
i say the beastly man who cannot control his desires must be locked in the homes and tame himself by taking care of kids and watching cartoons on tv. cooking also calms the nerves down and if he can occupy himself with some knitting now and then it will be good for him too. while the more emotionally stable women venture out into a rapist free world without worrying about dress, makeup or ego-charged creatures....