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sorry...you didn't get it.
Alright....never mind.
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Crescent, here is another tidbit I found for you. Now, I don't know for sure if all the references are sound, but this is what I've heard time and time again in other classes, and from people much more learned than I am.
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Islam, however, introduced "seclusion" as a new practice to Arabia (Ahmed 1986:683). The Qur'an states, "O wives of the Prophet ye are not like any of the other women ... and stay quietly in your homes and make not dazzling display like that of the former time of ignorance" (33:32-34). The context of this seclusion, should be understood because it was directed immediately to the Prophet's wives, and it was meant to protect the Prophet from any insults such as sexual abuse of his wives (Ahmed 1986). It is important to underscore this notion that seclusion as mentioned by the Qur'an was addressing the Prophet's wives only, especially that they were singled out by the Qur'an as "different" from other women (33:32), and that the revelation caused a tense situation in which the Prophet threatened mass divorce (Ahmed 1986: 684). This difference between the Prophet's wives and other Muslim women is not, however, absolute. It relates only to the potential for insulting the Prophet indirectly through his relatives. Thus the Prophet's wives were forbidden to remarry after the Prophet's death, and did not inherit from him. Beyond these restrictions, the Prophet's wives were similar to all Muslim and other believing women."
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Lets see:
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To educate themselves, so that they can transmit better knowledge onto their own offspring, and so they can function in the world (see later points).
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In the event that the provider (husband, father, etc), passes away, then they have some form of earning. And don’t knock this down, I’m going thru this myself at the moment.
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The necessity of, in today’s world, of putting out the garbage, getting groceries, and tending to gardens, and other household/yard matters
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In the event that a child is ill and needs to be taken to the doctor’s and daddy dearest can’t get out of work.
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In the event of war, anarchy, natural disaster, chaos, measures needed to ensure survival of self and of family. Hurricane Katrina hits, and blows your house down, where are you going to hide your wife? Oh God forbid that the rescuers see her, even if she’s got a full blown abayah on.
Get real man.
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Ok.
I'm tired. I will make another post later on in the day.
You guys move to a defensive before understanding the whole context and command of Allah swt towards women (and men, but in **this **thread we're discussing women).
You hold these ideologies that 'women are treated as prisoners' if they are told to stay away from males, and to not make an object of themselves for the public.
PCG you still did not answer my query. I'll post it again, this time emphasizing things I want to see from you :) Not just hadiths, but tafseers on them, and why they were pracitced as such. I am now reallllllllllllllllllllly interested in seeing why the Ullema of our times are so wrong in guarding their women from evil. So please give me the elaboration, Again I'll post the query, and reply later on in the evening, time for sleep sleep now.
and please, **DO NOT **give me one day's affair of Aisha r.a. to the general practice of the Mothers of Islam (r.a).
Only if you DO NOT GOOGLE but kindly post the>>>> CONTEXT <<<<and CIRCUMSTANCES and **CONDITIONS **and **THE PROCEDURE **that all the **Mother of Islams (r.a) **went through and did in order to achieve all that.
I hope thats easier for u to understand :)
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Thats where the man comes in. Please refer to “the Pious husband” and **please **also refer to "the Pious wife’.
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Is the man out somewhere fighting crime? The women has a bigger job then that. She is responsible for the islamic upbringing her child requires. Its futile discussing this with you if you are one of those that weigh World more than the hereafter.
P.s. Yes you will die one day, no one is immortal> SOrry to break your heart.
Um. I’m sorry your husband passed away.
Please do refer to what happens to a widow 
Also, I already stated in such circumstances, Islam does not restrict anything, but promotes her going out if she ABIDES by the SHARI’AH.
Mard marr gaye?
This is the best example you could come up with? Please give me examples where its NOT a necessity.
Ok ok!! Because the earthquake might blow down the house, you may not have ahouse to live in in theory, so why protect women in their houses! Such logic last time i saw it, i was watching sesame street.
I am real. Not absorbed in the illusions, which many ppl call “reality”.
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Are u seriously kidding me with those responses?
Look, you believe that women should be beneath your thumb. The stuff I've posted clearly states that the command for women to stay within their homes was meant for the Prophet's wives and there is even a citation for you to reference that gives more historical info on the matter. As for tafsir, these are pretty obvious references. These women who fought wars did not sit there and do imaginary battles in their own homes with imaginary people. They fought on the field. Islamic history is pretty rich with examples of where women were playing an active part in society, and the one ayah you have that you are using to say that women should not step out of their homes is one that is used DIRECTLY for the Prophet's wives. If you had read some history, you would kjnow that at the time, people were trying to hurt the Prophet and his reputation by attacking his wives. Hence the command for them to stay within their homes. But I've already given you references to works that you can go to the library, you need not even google, to look them up.
Please, man, get up and smell the coffee. Women are roughly a little more than a half of the human population. You can't shut up so many people in their homes and not expect them to strike you down with massive dandas at some point or the other.
You are asking for more proof, when you yourself have actually posted nothing from the Quran or hadith that unilaterally asks all women to sit in their homes and never leave them, even for groceries or taking out the garbage.
So, if anything, I think YOU should be doing some more research, sir.
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Um. I'm sorry your husband passed away.
Please do refer to what happens to a widow :)
I mention I'm dealing with a situation where I'm having to provide for the family, and this is your response? This response alone shows how immature you are. Enough said.
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Ok. You’re right. 100%. Whatever you believe is right, believe in it
You have just outsmarted and deduced and outstudied the Ullema-e-Haqq of today, and those of the Sahabahs, Tabaee’n, Tabi-o-Tab’een. And those of the Isnad.
Congratulations 
Hats off.
Doesn’t mean I’m gunna leave the sides of my Alims.
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Yes, please refer to it. Thats precisely the Problem, all answers lie in your deen, why is that so hard to understand? 
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And all your answers apparently lie in some community mental asylum.
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^ Naozubillah, if thats what you want to call The Sunnah of the Prophet pbuh.
Allah have mercy on us all.
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No, I’m not referring to the Sunnah. I’m referring to you.
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I skimmed through the article. I don't really understand what I'm supposed to make out of the article, but here's what I could gather: women should stay at home, look after husband and kids, and only work out of necessity. They should not worry about maintaining a high standard of life and should not attend high school or university, as they may end up marrying non-Muslim men.
If a woman is to stay at home, not attend school or university, she would be quite illiterate to begin with. Therefore, please scratch off the particular female being a good teacher or mentor for the kids. If her husband passes away or becomes terminally ill due to which he is unable to work, the entire family would be on the streets. If she has no brothers or the brothers aren't the type who'd look after her and if her father passes away or retires, and she somehow ends up staying single, again she would be on the streets.
Perhaps many aren't aware of the reputation of the Islamic schools or what goes on in Islamic schools. Most often the Muslim kids attending public schools turn out much better than those attending Islamic schools. It all boils down to well the parents raise their kids. Hence, for good upbringing, you most certainly need the mother to be possessing both worldly and Islamic knowledge and education.
I'm quite familiar with folks who are in accord with or follow the madhab of the authors of the website. In fact, I deal with them on a regular basis. Many of them suggest and advocate the same. Some of them even try to incorporate much of it to the best of their ability, but it is nothing encouraging.
Yes, a woman should stay at home if her husband's making good money. However, if the husband is okay with the wife working in a decent environment where there is no serious fitna, I don't see why she should be bound to stay at home, especially when her children are at an age where they don't need her much or spend most of their day at school. Again, it differs from region to region, and country to country.
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There are extreme on both sides.
On one hand women are going half naked, all over the workplace or in school/colleges etc. dating and being used by men.....on other hand they are covering the face except for the eyes. and are adamant about it that it is islamic!
There are many many instances where in the days of the prophet (PBUH) women were not covering their faces and were seen by now considered Na-Mahram. Iam not going into detail but people can read the life of the prophet (PBUH) to get this point if they pay attention to it.
My point is that for identification and just plain common sense a woman's face can be uncovered. The beauty can be covered with sensible loose clothings and the woman's gesture.
Same goes for men, there is no need for men to show off their body muscles and their looks to women and they also should wear sensible clothes. I think we all know what sensible/reasonable clothings are.
Going nuts on what to wear and wearing black burqa or white shuttlecock is just silly.
A nice robe or head scarf with loose clothings is just fine in my opinion.
Many things we have adapted from unusual culture which has nothing to with Islam.
Non-muslims also love to portray islam based on these weird customs we have adapted.
Women must be educated. Allah gave women brain and yes it must be used for raising the kids and taking care of household but we cannot deny the great and potential use of women's intellect and wisdome to be used for so called worldly requirement as well.
Its almost considerd a great service to Islam if women are taught medicine, nursing, teaching, engineering and are trained for combat missions.
It is definitely considered a necessity that a woman learns to treat a woman as a doctor or deliver a baby by naturally or perform an operation.
Where will we find women who could teach girls or treat psychologic problems of a woman?
Do we want our women helpless, backward, weak and dumb?
Do we want our women only to learn Quran and hadees while we become machos and do the rest?
Without sounding like the silly women's lib promoters I can even say that we need to consider women as human being and not just creation of Allah who is here to serve men and their children.
We are not just robots born in this world in the form of human being. This world is also a beautiful place and needs our attention so next generation can stay safe and live relatively confortable.
All those who just want to deny women's role in making this world a great place are just hypocrites.
As long as women and men are in respectable boundaries they are OK to work under a same roof. There are instances where non-muslim men got married to muslim women after conversion while they were working together.
Modesty is required by both men and women and as long as there is no component of allurement in work relation.
'Friendship'iand closeness in men and women (na-mahram) is something which is dangerous though.
I cannot imagine that in the days of islamic rule of the world women were just nursing babies at home!
Bottom line, we need to get ourselves out of our home made ideas of islam and open eyes to be strong, educated and kind nation.
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Perfect. :k:
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And my answers lie in the Prophet’s Sunnah. So if your deductive side of the brain (if you have one) is on, please go ..ohhh okkk.
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This is a nice summary of the article. And I’ve been stating the same thing throughout to those who keep stating “women are being locked in prisons [homes]”.
**Now this is what you guys really brought out, and to be honest, **in today’s society it is not surprising that you guys think this way.
All your posts mention the futility of Deeni Knowledge as compared to Worldy Knowledge. If a women is an Alimah, and she wishes to teach her kids deen, then she is dumb, because she did not have any worldly knowledge.
Why is the deen of Allah swt nothing in comparison to the worldly knowledge?
I think I’ve heard enough against my religious teaching today. It pains me to see that deen can be brought to such a low level, and worldy knowledge to such high status.
What good is Allah and his teachings to us anyways? We must memorize the Periodic table as it will benefit us more.
Bravo. :k:
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I can't see my deen being degraded this way. I had hopes that muslims were more aware of the priorities they had in this life.
guess not.