Re: When Women Emerge.
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Now this is what you guys really brought out, and to be honest, in today's society it is not surprising that you guys think this way.**
All your posts mention the futility of Deeni Knowledge as compared to Worldy Knowledge. If a women is an Alimah, and she wishes to teach her kids deen, then she is dumb, because she did not have any worldly knowledge.
Why is the deen of Allah swt nothing in comparison to the worldly knowledge?
I think I've heard enough against my religious teaching today. It pains me to see that deen can be brought to such a low level, and worldy knowledge to such high status.
What good is Allah and his teachings to us anyways? We must memorize the Periodic table as it will benefit us more.
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As per your views, my thinking is clearly wrong and out of line, as I am all for attaining both worldly and Islamic education.
You know there has got to be a balance. You cannot suggest that worldly education is bad and useless for women and becoming an aalimah alone is the means to solving all problems when rearing children. A woman needs both worldly and Islamic education in order to raise her children properly. A mother lacking religious and/or worldly education will not be able to raise her kids in the best possible manner.
Instead of jumping to conclusions and suggesting how some of us these days cannot understand the value of deen, you need to clearly understand that no one would suggest that a woman should not acquire religious knowledge and only needs to acquire post secondary education and somehow post secondary education alone would suffice. There has to be a balance between the post secondary and Islamic education. Neither one can be ignored or assumed to be useless.
Like I mentioned earlier, I'm very much familiar with folks who follow this madhab or one similar to it. It is very easy for you to suggest 'women should stay at home, become aalimas and raise kids'. However, I'm not too sure how familiar you are with such females. I personally have met men who adhere to your beliefs and have met wives of such men. In most cases it's nothing pretty or encouraging. Besides, it just doesn't stop here (i.e. women should raise kids and look after home). Unfortunately, there's much more that is taught and followed due to which the lives of many women have become rather difficult.
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I am for women who get knowledge. What has been debated is how the women gain that knowledge. But If you don't follow such methods when and only when Abiding by the Shariah, then there is something wrong with women going out in the world.
Secondly, A women who does totally devote her life to deeni knowledge, does not make her
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helpless, backward, weak and dumb
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I believe all of us would agree that none of us go out to acquire post secondary education in an inappropriate manner. You must keep in mind that not everyone has exact same beliefs and not everyone is at a level where they can incorporate everything all at once.
Out of curiosity, are you familiar with females who have only acquired religious education and ignored post secondary education?
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So to make it obligatory upon women to study worldy affairs, is not right either.
Women have numerous status in Islam, but to be safeguarded they must adhere to the Sunnah of the Prophet Pbuh.
This thread is based on the commands on the Women in Islam> There can be just as well a thread on Men and commands upon them. So lets focus on women in Islam.
It was not a daily practice of the Mothers of the Ummah R.A. To take their kids out for a stroll in the park, and to just go for a walk around the neighbourhood in the times of Prophet pbuh.
They were told to screen from men. Not told to be Prisoned in a home. The Notion that most people defensively reiterate their stand on is the fact that when a women should be safeguarded at home, it means she is Prisoned by the Hakim of the House.
I don't understand why people of such ideology are even replying here.
To be safeguarded from fitnah, especially in today's time is a critical priority. And the Sunnah explains clearly the ways to go about it.
To reject the Sunnah, to mingle with opposite sex, and to dress innappropiately is not accepted in Islam.
Islam does not conform to a certain time frame.
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In contemporary world, it is vital that a woman attains post secondary education and not only religious education. Otherwise such women can end up with husbands who impose their own laws and rules on their wives by suggesting 'tum chup raho.... tumhain kya pata', or the wife is more often than not seen as someone inferior.
In addition, why do you feel that your 'ideology' happens to be the correct one and those with different views are somehow totally lost or misguided?
The rest of us have just as much right to participate and express our beliefs and opinions as you do. Try to take things into perspective rather than jumping on conclusions.
I honestly wonder how much exposure you've had with wives of such husbands or women in general. I personally know of an individual who made some suggestions and gave me plenty of naseeha on how I should not do co-op, only to find out that he wears a uniform to his workplace and has female co-workers. Somehow it is okay for men to mingle and to be in an environment where there are women, yet not alright for women to attend public educational institutions.
As for the Islamic schools, there are only a couple in Toronto that have good reputation. Remainder are all pretty kachra. They're only naam kay Islamic schools and that's about it. Yes, they may teach you a little about Islam; however, their worldly education is below the ministry standards. Also, it is normal for youth to develop interest in members of the opposite gender. However, only parents or good education could help one stay within limits and help one from crossing the set bounds. Islamic schools are filled with corrupt kids and horrible stories. Therefore, they aren't much better than public schools. Islamic schools are usually good for primary education and it's best to switch over to public educational institutions after.