Zaavia,
What was that all about?
Some points of the article...
1) In 1984, an American was convicted in Singapore for attacking/damaging some cars. And as a punishment he had to be lashed on his back 4 times. The American media created a hype about the inhumane punishments given in Singapore, and they tried their utmost to get that person out without punishment. But Singapore carried out the punishment, since it was the LAW of the land. Although the area of Singapore is equal to the area of Karachi district, still they implemented the punishment.
2) In Comparison to Singapore, in Pakistan every month a westerner is caught smuggling herion...although the punishment in Pakistan is death for drug trafficking but it isnt implemented on foreigners...Pakistan is the country, which hands over its own citizens who are caught in drug trafficking to the Americans...although the two countries dont have such an agreement according to which they could hand over their citizens to the Americans...
in 1997, Pakistani government did what some nation with self respect couldnt even think of. The American officials arrest Aimal Kansi a Pakistani citizen from Pakistani soil, and take him away in a royal manner.
Then the guy is talking about the way Dr. Amir Aziz, and Dr. Khawaja were arrested shamelessly by the American officials from the Pakistani soil although there IS no case against them.
Then the guy is talking about the way Dr. Amir Aziz, and Dr. Khawaja were arrested shamelessly by the American officials from the Pakistani soil although there IS no case against them.
Dr. Amir Aziz has been released.
Dr. Khawaja has been detained. Americans aren't going to kill him or his family. They want interogations. Like the article stated, no case against him.
in 1997, Pakistani government did what some nation with self respect couldnt even think of. The American officials arrest Aimal Kansi a Pakistani citizen from Pakistani soil, and take him away in a royal manner.
It happened in NS Govt.
Omar Sheikh was involved in the murdered of Daniel Pearl. Did Pakistan hand him over to the US? NO!
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Omar Sheikh was involved in the murdered of Daniel Pearl. Did Pakistan hand him over to the US? NO!
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That was to prevent him from telling everyone of his contacts with ISI ;)
PT, leave aside the United States, right now No Pakistani is safe even on Pakistani soil...the Americans can arrest any one they want, anytime...
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That was to prevent him from telling everyone of his contacts with ISI ;)
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So, Talwar, let me get straight, you believe that Pakistan is a Player. ;)
As Americans try to justify their No-Link with Talibans, so does Pakistan.
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PT, leave aside the United States, right now No Pakistani is safe even on Pakistani soil...the Americans can arrest any one they want, anytime...
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Correct but let me make a point here.
Arrest of Dr. Khawja came because of the orders of Punjab's CM, Pervez Elahi.
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PT, leave aside the United States, right now No Pakistani is safe even in Pakistani soil...the Americans can arrest any one they want, anytime...
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You may very well be right. The real reason behind that is that no Pakistani Govt. in the last 50 years has ever considered Law to be real. What did Zia say: Constitution is a few pages that he can tear up anytime he likes. Pakistan has allowed one man to make major changes to its constitution and the Supereme court has always behaved like a rubber stamp. When there is no concept of Law, what is left? Neither the civil servants nor the judges know which law or what to enforce. What ever the Mai Bap says is right!
Allha Allha tey Khairsallha !
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the Americans can arrest any one they want, anytime...
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Unless he/she is a mmeber of Pak Army or ISI who can commit whatever crime they want.
Get real man. Musharraf and US have a deal. Mush will hand over anyone unless it affects his own interests.
That is the price you have to pay for US ignroing Pakistan's nuclear trade to N.Korea and Iraq as well as the other stuff such as letting terrorists go.
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Unless he/she is a mmeber of Pak Army or ISI who can commit whatever crime they want.
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WRONG!
Dr. Aziz have no connection with the Army and ISI. Neither Dr. Khawja have.
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Get real man. Musharraf and US have a deal. Mush will hand over anyone unless it affects his own interests.
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Al-Qaedia garbage, sure! Take dat Osama ;)
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That is the price you have to pay for US ignroing Pakistan's nuclear trade to N.Korea and Iraq as well as the other stuff such as letting terrorists go.
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Nah, no price at all.
Congragulations, you have just believed Iraq BS.
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WRONG!
Dr. Aziz have no connection with the Army and ISI. Neither Dr. Khawja have.
Al-Qaedia garbage, sure! Take dat Osama ;)
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PT, thats what Talwar was saying, that the ISI officials arent being arrested although they were the guys who nurtured Taleban and Al-Quaeda all these years...
Well, if you go in depth analysis of the Talibans, you will find some interesting notes.
Few months back, Talwar was trying to tell me that only Pakistan was involved forming Talibans. I know you guys have been listening American Media alot. Guess what, I proved Talwar from his own link, didn’t I Talwar? 
I’m sure you have heard of Ahmad Rashid, Zaavia. His book Taliban, gotta full insight of Taliban, how they came about, who supported them, the whole damn history. Take dat You should read his book.
I’m posting a reader reviews about the Book:
Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia
**Ahmed Rashid spent over 20 years as a reporter in Pakistan/Afghanistan. He has written a 216 page book filled with facts concerning the history, politics and culture of the Taliban, Terroism and American Oil Companies. Mr Rashid reports in a clear and organized style about events between 1978-1999 in this part of the world in the context of the history of the Middle East. His insights and reporting are both surprising and informative. He covers religious and political groups and factions and sects as only someone who has lived in this part of the world could do. It is amazing how he is able to present a straight-forward and intelligble account of so complex a situation. He deals with international intrigue by American Oil Companies, about the treatment of women, about Pakistan’s and Saudi Arabia’s support of the Taliban. Each and every chapter of this book contains valuable information to anyone interest in understanding how a small, unknown and uneducated group of religious Islamic extremist could assist in the destruction of the WTC on 911 and threathen the financial security of many Western economies. Turn off CNN, put down the Times and sit down to read a book which will provide an important framework for dealing with the problems we face today. **
The point I’m trying to make is when it comes to Talibans, all fingers point to Pakistan. Well, maybe because we are Afghanistan neighbors, true, but to say all the crap was done by Pakistan, is BS
pt pakistan used taliban to gain startegic depth against india eventhouth
pakistan dont believe in taliban ideolgy. pakistan is first and only one of the three countries to recognise and last to derecognise taliban.
eveybody used afghans for their own political goals. would any arab country allow afghan national to operate in thier country?these people
dont belong in this region. it is afgahns are the ones suffering for somebody's mistake.
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Dr. Khawaja has been detained. Americans aren't going to kill him or his family. They want interogations. Like the article stated, no case against him.
NO!
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PT, have you ever heard of ISI or FIA or any other Pakistani agency arresting anybody in US? If no, than Zaavia is right we have no self-respect as a nation. Why hell are we allowing American agents of FBI to arrenst Pakistanis and non-Pakistani who have comitted no crime in Pakistan on behave of US?
Also, read the article that I posted on how hundred of Pakistanis are being arrested in US, while people like you are defending such stupid policies of our govt. It's disgusting!!!
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while people like you are defending such stupid policies of our govt. It's disgusting!!!
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Where the fu!ck I defended such policies? Don't put your words in my mouth!
And yeah, did you read the response from Faisal on the article you referrred to? Maybe you need to open eyes, before jumping down on conclusions!
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I'm sure you have heard of Ahmad Rashid, Zaavia. His book Taliban, gotta full insight of Taliban, how they came about, who supported them, the whole damn history. Take dat ;) You should read his book.
The point I'm trying to make is when it comes to Talibans, all fingers point to Pakistan. Well, maybe because we are Afghanistan neighbors, true, but to say all the crap was done by Pakistan, is BS
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I have read Mr. Rashid's book and his accounts mince no words for Pakistan. Zalmay Khalilzad, Naseerullah Babar and other characters played roles that have now been forgotten. I would really recommend everyone to read the book. Pakistan by supporting the Taliban, didn't do the most horrible thing considering the alternatives.