When the sky is torn apart....

The Red Rose Nebular:-

Allah (SWT) says in the Holy Book The Quran :-

In The Name of Allah most Gracious most Merciful:

Verily Allah Speaks the Truth.

From holy Quran Surat Ar-Rahman verses 37 & 38

Bellow is the reference from official NASA website, an image of a picture:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap991031.html

The picture was taken by the NASA Hubble Space Telescope of the “Cat’s
Eye Nebula”, an exploding star 3,000 light years away.

It is also mentioned (Nasa Site) that this represents a dying star which inevitably is the awaiting faith of our own solar system, which the holy Quran speaks of as the day when the Sky is torn apart, it would be like a Red Rose like ointment.

As Mentioned in the holy Book the Quran over 1,400 years ago; Indeed a favor for us to contemplate and dwell upon.

http://www.gupistan.com/gallery/4/nebula.jpg


You (Muslims) are the best nation ever raised among the mankind: (because) you
advocate righteousness and FORBID EVIL, and you believe in (one) GOD (ALLAH).
(Sura: Alay-Imran; Ayat:110)

Sitaaron Pay Jo Daltay Hain Kamand!


Shaheen=An Eagle or A Flacon!
(And yes it’s a MALE Shaheen :wink:

impressed


A Stranger But Not

Alhamdulillah! :)

Alhamdulliah
i am sure scared now more

been posted here b4 by arfin99,
but very hi nice, thanx 4 sharing, god bless u

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The nebula isnt really red. Like most astronomy pictures, this one too is a pseudo-color image. The original "color" of the nebula would like somewhere in the X-ray region. The X-ray photo is manipulated by choosing suitable colors to enhance the contrast to bring out the various features in the image. The cat's eye nebula is as red as it is yellow, blue or green. yet another instance of misuse of scientific data to validate religion.

And those official web site nasa people just want it to be red to prove Islamic point of view???

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You (Muslims) are the best nation ever raised among the mankind: (because) you
advocate righteousness and FORBID EVIL, and you believe in (one) GOD (ALLAH).
(Sura: Alay-Imran; Ayat:110)

Sitaaron Pay Jo Daltay Hain Kamand!


Shaheen=An Eagle or A Flacon!
(And yes it’s a MALE Shaheen :wink:

Queer, thank you, finally someone else who finds it rather idiotic of people who go around trying to prove religious dogma using illogical and often times stupid arguments based on inconclusive and some times fake scientific evidence.

But don't try to point this out too much around here, I've already gotten my wrist slapped for doing it consistently.

This is not an X-ray photograph its optical from hubble… Here you see xray and optical…With xray superimposed on optic (the blue region)…

Hubble sends down numbers…and those are made into pictures. The colours were filled in depending on the wavelengths received. So in reality it would look close to red. (even an Amateur astronomer will tell you that there are a lot red orange and yellow stars out there, depending on the gases and their temprature around it. not to mention multi coloured planets and nebulae)

http://www.gupistan.com/gallery/4/1220_xray_opt_side_med.jpg

all that said…yes queer is right it is stupid to associate religion with scietific developments. To me it seems like a conspiracy :-D… get the muslims hyped up and then says the picture is false.

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search on yahoo...key words +hinduism +science ..... reveals heaps of interesing stuff....here is a sample

THE HINDU UNIVERSE

With some help from Einstein's Theories of Relativity (where he deals with the nature of time) and Christian Doppler's "Doppler effect", scientists were able to conclude that the universe is presently expanding and this led way to the Big Bang theorem. The theorem is as follows : "He [Georges Lemaître] believed that the Universe started from a very, very dense "primeval atom", or "cosmic egg", in which all the matter of the entire Universe was crammed at the beginning. This cosmic egg exploded (fissioned) and started the expansion. But at some time during the expansion there was a "battle" between the force of cosmic repulsion trying to keep the stars apart and gravity trying to keep them together. The result was a "pause" in the expansion. Cosmic repulsion finally won the "battle" and the expansion has continued ever since." - "The Web of Space-Time", Struble, pp.145. The passage continues - "He [George Gamow] believed it was a fusion process rather than a fission process as Lemaître thought.

In the beginning, George believes that this object consisted of tons and tons of energy (photons) but only pounds of matter - mostly neutrons. At the explosion of this very dense ball of energy - which is called the big bang, or cosmic fireball - it's temperature dropped from hundreds of billions of degrees to about a billion degrees in five minutes. Within a day, it cooled to forty million degrees and within the next thirty thousand years it cooled to about six thousand degrees. But all during this time, energy was being converted into matter. Neutrons decayed into protons and electrons, which in turn formed the chemical elements that make up most of the Universe - hydrogen and helium. But it was not until some 250 million years later that matter began to dominate the Universe, that is, tons and tons of energy had become tons and tons of matter in the form of galaxies." Gamow's idea is now accepted as the most likely.

In the Hindu account of the creation of the Universe, Brahma (the creator in Hinduism) was born from a "Golden egg" which "contained" all of the "worlds". The Universe was then created by Brahma by reciting the word "Om". With the "Om", enormous amounts of sakthi (Sanskrit for energy) was released and the Universe was born. Sound familiar?

This is where the significance of the word "Om" comes from. "OM is the Primal Sound; the Cosmos proliferated from it. It is composed of three letters: A (as in par), U (as in put) and M. All sounds, utterable are subsumed by OM. So, OM represents all words which describe God in all languages at all times. OM fades into Silence; descriptions of God have also to end in Silence. The Process of reciting OM, until Silence is reached, is the process of attaining the Universal Absolute, through the contemplation of God with a form and attributes." - Sathya Sai Baba.

Now we know that the Universe is currently expanding. But what scientists are unsure of is whether the Universe has negative curvature (which means that the Universe will continue to expand infinitely), or whether it has positive curvature which would result in a "pulsating" universe that is created, expands, stops expanding and then begins to contract. After a while such a Universe would contract no further and then "The Crunch" would occur where the Universe is reduced once again to the "cosmic egg", and the process of creation would again repeat infinitely. In Hindu tradition, it is believed that the Universe has gone through the "Hindu creation" process many times and will continue do so infinitely (called the "days and nights" of Brahma), suggesting positive curvature. The "Hindu Universe" is created (Brahma), preserved (Vishnu) , destroyed (Shiva), and recreated many times. (discussed further next update)

What is interesting about Hinduism is that it's texts indicate that the ancient Hindu's had a good understanding of the universe around them. The model of the Solar System in both ancient and modern Hindu temples places the Sun at the center with earth and the other planets revolving around it (discussed further next update). Moreso, the Hindu moon god is called the "Residing Deity Of The Mind". While this might at first seem odd its explanation may startle.

It is a well known fact that during times of full moon the ocean reaches high tide and when the moon is at its first phases the ocean reaches its lowest tides. The Earth is over two thirds water.

The Human body also is constituted majorly by water. As such, the phases of the moon also affect the water within the human body. Mental Institutions have found that its patients act most irrationally during times of full moon. The ancient Hindus noted the same influence of the moon on the human mind and thus encouraged fasting during times of full moon in order to reduce the amount of water in the body. Thus the moon is truely the "Residing Deity Of The Mind".

(This section is yet to be updated and concluded)

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who me,

You are right. it is a super-imposition of optical data (for the cooler outer areas emitting visible light), and X ray data (for the extremely hot core). However it is very much a pseudo-color image - the original optical image colors have been changed.

The optical image provided by Hubble shows the outer areas of the nebula to be orange - not red. I am yet to come across an orange rose. :)

Regarding hinduism and the universe, again, I am skeptical. Why would anyone want to say the obvious in what would be twisted play of words?

As I said in my last post. This IS an image from Hubble. The red coloured Flower shaped “cats eye nebula”.

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From Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: pseu·do
Pronunciation: 'sü-(")dO
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from pseudo-
Date: 15th century
: being apparently rather than actually as stated : SHAM, SPURIOUS**

Pseudo-coloured is a wrong word. This image is not based on X-ray, its based on visible light of different colours. I have seen “composite” at lot of places (which is true). but have yet to come across Pseudo-coloured.

hmmm… and I havent come across an orange picture yet. And this one fits the Quranic definition very well.

"When the sky is torn apart, so it
was (like) a red rose like ointment. "

Its something being torn apart, its shaped like a flower and its red.

From Space Telescope Science Institute:

So it IS an R-G-B Image (as is yur computer monitor which is supposed to show 16 million colors). A composite of wavelengths from Hydrogen, nitrogen and oxygen, the three most abundent gasses in the universe. Hence a true representation of what it would actually look like. So to deny it based on technical arguments, I dont think so!.

I must admit that being from the computer field, I dont have the precise knowledge of astronomy and science to give my detailed opinion... but i must say that i am highly impressed by both who--me and queer... you two have surely done an excellent analysis... people should definitely be very careful before they jump on any opportunity to bash islam and quranic theories unless its backed by scientific evidence ... As proven rather conclusively and with a lot of evidence by who--me, there seems to be a definite connection between this quranic ayat and scientific analysis. It is sad that some so-called muslims won't accept quran at its face value... they would only be convinced if science and western society endorse the quranic viewpoint. Remember, guys, quran is for all times and all people.