Re: When the Judeo-Christian armies attack Ka’aba from Syria…
Which was that Khek? I know of the one in 1979 when those extremists destroyed part of the Ka’aba during the fire fight
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Hold your Horses, if you go back in History the Kaba was demolished twice. once like "Zakk" posted: **
**..the Ka'aba was burnt down once after a predominantly Christian Army fromS yria attacked Mecca. Yazids predominantly Nestorian Christian army took extreme measures to put down the rebellion post Karbala..and in that battle the Ka'aba was burnt down.
a second time some people raised it to the ground and walked off with Hajri-Aswad.
That is why you notice now the Black Stone is in pieces.
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You're right it was 1979. Point is that Muslims killing other Muslims in Kaaba is more likely then external forces.
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Maybe they just pretend to be the way they are.
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LaJawab what can i say YOU R TRULY LAJAWAB!!! BUT DONT WASTE TIME WITH THESE LAILLAJ 
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Coming back to some historical reality, let us recall Surah Al-Feel.
The superpower of that time was Yemen and its ruler Abraha had sent an army to destroy the Kaa'bah. Abraha had also taken Abdul Mutallib's (Makkah's ruler) camels and when Mutallib came before Abraha, he only asked for his camels and not for him to spare the Kaabah, because he was the owner of the camels and Allah was the owner of the Kaabah.
So Abdul Mutallib left for the mountains with his followers instead of trying to fight a stronger enemy where he would have no chance and since he knew that Allah would protect his own house. The rest we all know.
Compare this story to Lajwab's fantasy of occupying the Kaabah to somehow save it from destruction. Already tried in 1979 and the result was only bloodshed.
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Is your Prophet Abdul Muttalib or Mohammed?
And going by your logic of standing down when facing a stronger enemy, the battle of Uhud would never have taken place…Because the Muslims were some 300 and the Kuffar were in the thousands…
Allah :swt: can grant victory to whomever He wishes…However, the term victory is also relative…Those who are slain in the way of Allah :swt: are victorious as well as those who achieve physical victory…
If your logic alongwith the logic and mentality of most of the Muslims today was applied to the world’s foremost revolutions, religions and ideologies, none would be here…Because all would have buried their heads in the sand at facing a stronger enemy…
Bloodshed is no big deal…Everyone dies…But how and for what one dies is important…
I am a Muslim today thanks not to those who hold your mentality of giving up at the first sign of distress…But to those who stood against all odds and became victorious with nothing more than the belief in their faith…
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or Uhud where muslims were 1000 and kuffar were 10000
or better give him the uncomparable example of battle of Tabuk
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I am specifically talking about defending the Kaabah like you described in your post. Are you saying that what I have posted is false?
Do you doubt Allah's ability to defend His house (nauzubillah)? And there is a difference in facing a stronger enemy (100 ak47's vs 1000 ak47s) versus facing an enemy when you have no chance to survive or win (100 ak47's vs 100 F-16s). One is heroic, the other is foolish.
We will not be able to win any wars unless we find out why we are so behind our opponents in terms of technology and economy. Allah helps those who help themselves. We will not get anything for free.
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Well, those F-16s can take a piss in front of one Muslim with a pocket knife…How? Because if Allah wills, he can come out of it victorious and a 1000 F-16s can’t do ****…And it has been proven in the time of Musa :as:, Nuh :as: Lut :as: and many others…But that is the belief of Muslims and if they die on that belief, absolute and true victory is theirs…
Those who don’t have belief, will sputter what you are saying…
Death has a hand on the shoulders of every one of us including you…It is inevitable…How you become victorious is a matter of faith…
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^and besides what is guaranteed is a victory in hereafter on Youm-ut-Taghaabun and as Allah says in Surah As-Saff:
9. It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, that he may proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).
10. O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?-
11. That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive [do Jihad] (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew!
12. He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement.
13. And another (favour will He bestow,) which ye do love,- help from Allah and a speedy victory. So give the Glad Tidings to the Believers.
14. O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah. As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, “Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah.” Said the disciples, “We are Allah.s helpers!” then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.
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And recent history has shown that Allah does not will that. One would think that this would be enough indication for Muslims to see what they are doing wrong with their own societies.
Allah only helps those who help themselves. There are no guarantees of miracles. As Anwaar mentioned the battle of Tabuk, it was a show of force by the Muslim army that alone resulted in victory. There was not even a need to go deeper into enemy territory. That was the power of Muslims and today we have Muslims and Jews blowing up civilians like animals in Iraq and Lebanon with no victory or purpose in sight.
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a second time some people raised it to the ground and walked off with Hajri-Aswad.
That is why you notice now the Black Stone is in pieces.
If what you posted was correct, then the prophecy of the Kaaba being destroyed by an Army coming from Syria has already been fulfilled. No need to bring Americans into it.
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And why did the Prophet (pbuh) make the hijrat to Madina in difficult times? By your logic, he was a "coward" in your eyes and should have stayed in Makkah to defend his beliefs and possibly die? Would that have been good for Islam?
Everything has a purpose and we must use the brains that Allah has gifted us to decide the best path, and not the path of easiest death. Our life is gift not to be wasted in pursuits that bring no victory or solution.
There is a real need to study the military and political brilliance of the Prophet (pbuh) by Muslims of today who are so easily ready to give up their lives for killing some non Muslims without any strategic benefit or purpose.
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It makes no difference. The Hijrat is known by most muslims who know the A, B, C's of their faith. But it makes no difference to them, because they ignore the example of self-restraint in Makkah despite ALL the atrocities they had to go through. And they ignore that the Prophet's solution was to literally walk away from the conflict.
They just go straight to the battles that the Prophet fought, forgetting everything that came before the point where muslims had to pick up weapons. And they also forget the precise rules of war in Islam. They forget that they can't hurt women and children. But then they want to defend jerks who do kill off women and children indiscriminately. And then when the same happens to muslims, they play the victim.
I'm so sick of these stupid arguments of "Oh, woe is us, we're muslims suffering under kaafirs, even though these kaafirs believe in the same God as us, and technically that wouldn't make them kaafir's, but whatever, they have too much money and that's money we should have, so they're Kaafirs".
Its so ridiculous. And then we have this senseless thread about someone's fantasy of "heroicism" among muslims against Americans. Why? Probably just because Americans are seen as "all white" (even though so many Americans are not) and lets face it -- So many muslims have been raised to hate "white". The original poster looks like one of them.
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Everything has a purpose and we must use the brains that Allah has gifted us to decide the best path, and not the path of easiest death. Our life is gift not to be wasted in pursuits that bring no victory or solution.
There is a real need to study the military and political brilliance of the Prophet (pbuh) by Muslims of today who are so easily ready to give up their lives for killing some non Muslims without any strategic benefit or purpose.
Ok finally! Couldn't have said it better. Been following this thread for the last coupla days and itching to post (which goes against my GS policy of never posting in religion forum unless I am this >< close to self-combusting). May Allah SWT reward you for this, ameen.
Re: When the Judeo-Christian armies attack Ka'aba from Syria...
There is a real need to study the military and political brilliance of the Prophet (pbuh) by Muslims of today who are so easily ready to give up their lives for killing some non Muslims without any strategic benefit or purpose.
khehkshan,
Islam is rejuvinated by Muhammad after Ieesa al masih. They know what to do, and why.
Hijrat was for "own benefit" AGAINST that of the enemies.
Tactics-strategy as your rightly said.
Islam HAD NOT completely been revealed as of yet, then.
He was guided by God.
Even Umar stated Prophet was guided by wahi when he had a situation he had never dealt with before. WE ARE NOT as such. We just have to use our understanding and the example left. IN CONTEXT by those that are MOST SUPERIOR - i.e. **leaders of piety.
**Islam is about BALANCE.
Balance between thought and analaysis methdology
ANY extreme is OUTCAST.
Making one deaf/dumb/blind to the truth
Thats the curse one receives for evil.
Today has NOTHING in common with the past.
Cultures differ by time. People differ by culture. Mentalities differ in people. Perception and likes/dislikes- understanding differs.
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Thank you for your nice words geek.
bbung4, the examples from the Prophets life is for all ages. We don't have the luxury of wahis from Allah, but we do have the sunnah to follow.
Let us also look at the battle of Uhud. Did the Muslims not have jazba and faith in them? Then why did they lose? As Lajawab says belief and faith is enough for victory, but it was not in Uhud. Why? Because they did not follow the rules set by the prophet and did not follow his commands and strategy. And it was Allah's will that since Muslim did not obey His messenger that they not win. This is an example for all of us to learn from today. Once we abandon Islamic rules of warfare, Allah will abandon us. And hiding in the Kaaba to make it a target of the enemy like Lajawab would want us to do, is against what Islamic history teaches us. Read Surah Al-Feel.
On one hand we have the battles fought by the Prophet and on the other hand we have Lajawab's School of military tactics. He will give you a bow and arrow and a pep talk about faith and tell you to invade Israel. Let us use our brains.
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Are you somehow agreeing that it is okay to kill non Muslims WITH some strategic benefit/purpose?
If you do agree with "killing non-Muslim with some trategic benefit/purpose" then you can't say this ^.
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Wasn't he directed to make hijra by Allah swt via Jibrael AS?