Re: When exactly did MQM or Khi-tes killed Punjabis?
An example of Fart Guru’s intelect…
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nai ji main sudharne ki koshish kar rahi hoon na india ki galati…u know wat i mean,
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Hain aap India ki galti nai hai, Deli ki hain...
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woh kaise.main to apne parents ki galati hoon:D
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all the ppl who a jelious with MQM shud realise kay MQM kjo banaya kis nay tha??? kin logo ki zehniyet the MQM banany main, yea to alag baat hay kay un hi kay galay main atak gaye yea party, i m punjabi and i m still alive , main to sari zindagi wahan hi raha hoon , hunh...... kiten ajeeb baat hay kay main punjabi ho kay bhe aisa keh raha hoon , magar dostoo agar kisi ka haq banta hay to us ko us ka haq daina chaye, bohot say ghalat kaam kiya hongay un logo nay , magar un kay sath kitna ghalat hua hay us ka andaza kisi ko nahe hay , kiya punjab mian political murder nahe hotay , kiya sindh main jagir daroo ki niji jail nahe hain??? goverment ko mqm kay naam nehad tourcher cell nazar aa gaye unhain sindh aur balochistan main wahan kay waderoon ki jail kiyoon nazar nahe aatee??? punjab main basant pay firingnahe hoti??? wahan wepon nahe hain ??? magar saray operation karachi main hotay hain ,
bohot say sawal hain magar hum sab pakistani hain , s tarah apnay hi aap pay kechar uchalnay say duniya hum pay hans rahe hay , agar aab bhe koi mqm ko bura kehta hay to us ki marzi , koi bhe hoo chahe punjabi ho pathan ho ya urdu bolnay wala , hum sab aik hain , muslim aur pakistani, ghaltiyaan her kisi say hoti hain , magar ghalti ker kay us pay sharminda hona koi ghalat naeh hay
pakistan zindabaad
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Well, this is certainly a very interesting and informative thread. A lot of Punjabis I know and their ancestors have been settled in Karachi for a long, long time. The question of ethnicity and domination of any ethnic group in any field [whether in the city or the ocuntry] never arose. Karachi used to be so safe in the 60s/early 70s that even girls could travel extended distances on foot. Nobody bothered who was Punjabi, Baluchi, Pathan etc. Somehow, things really went to the dogs during the political metdown of the 70s, and finally Zia put the finishing touches with the creation of MQM in the 80s. I've been travelling to Karachi all my life and it's really an amazing city, far more open than any in Pakistan. It's sad that it has been in recent decades been associated with such horrible atrocities and deaths of civilians. And what's even worse is that people in Karachi [esp. the 'Mohaajirs'] have become quite opinionated with regards to the question of ethnicity.
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Boy do we have some racist people over here or what.
Sadiyah, does it matter whether MQM killed a Punjabi or a Punjabi killed a MQM? In this world of International Terrorism aren't we the Muslims trying to dismiss labels. Why can't we just do that? I am dissapointed that you brought up this topic....
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Man with a plan, perhaps you failed to read my initial post where I stated that I heard this all for the first from a friend how Mohajirs are bad because they killed many Punjabis in Karachi or if not killed, then they were somehow guilty for those who were killed because they never did anything significant to stop it.
Prior to this, I had no knowledge of any such events. No knowledge whatsoever. I only posted it to find out if there is any truth to it. And I'm disappointed I got to hear all this from a friend.
In addition, I already got to hear views from both sides. I totally fail to understand why some of you keep digging up this thread and starting it all over again when this matter has been put to rest.
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Pakistan-the country created for Muslims.
What went wrong, ethencity has become more important.
Muslim killing Muslim.
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Malhot i guess you are from India and trust me don't even start me on this ethnicity issue in India, it's as bad as Pakistan if not worse.
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You could have just google it or tried to search it in a search engine. Next time when I don’t know and my friend asks me about you know whether sunni killed shia in Pakistan or shia killed sunni I will come and ask the great people of Gupshup. You should have known and now you know do you know what you have learned?
These kinds of topics bring nothing but divisons and anamosity. We should always stay away from these topics because in the end you learn nothing. Every side, religion, ethnicity have some kind of skeletons in their closets. No one is angle and if we want to fix Pakistan we have to do it as Pakistanis not as Punjabis or Mohajirs and definatly can’t do it by bringing up these types of discussions.
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Man with a Plan, the reason why I brought it up here is because I wanted to hear the story of both sides. Googling such material would have been very tedious and I would've had a very hard time figuring out what both sides have to say. I got both biased and neutral views over here and I feel I did get my answer.
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I actually agree with Sadiyah, i personally have seen so much of this crap in yahoo chatrooms about Mohajir-Punjabi tussles and always wondered why there is so much hatered between the two. While chatting with some peoplpe i had few bad ecperiences when people turned rude and aggressive after i told them about about my background(i.e Punjabi). This thread has made too many things clear about this controversial issue and i understand a lot more now, i don't think anyone is FULLY responsible for all this mishaps.
Issues can never be resolved unles you talk about them and discuss them with each other.
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I think the public should understand that some people have been using them for POLITICAL purposes and there shouldn't be any hatered amongst average people.
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i just cannot believe how some people blame mahajirs for killing punjabis and phathans..it is 100% wrong....punjabis killed hundreds of mahajirs with the help of government...pakka qila in hyderabad and shah faisal area were the worst hit by punjabis and rangers
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Abbay salay mera woh bhi tum say gora hay–
Woh=jota 
i fail to understand why such loser like madhanee who can not contribute anything else apart from spitting venom at islam or pakistan are given the choice to post..
I am muhajir and one of vocal opponents of MQM- in my opinion it is a hijacked party now being run by criminals/mafia type approach
Very informative post Zakk
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Muhajirs are well-represented in officer .........cadre of Pakistan Army. However, they are rare in non-officer .........cadres where Punjabis dominate and Pashtuns have some representation.
Moreover, this 60/40 Panjabi-Pashtun proportion is grassly exaggerated. The fact is, in officer cadre of Paki Army, Punajbis will roughly be 85%, Muhajirs 8%, and Pashtun 6 or 7%. In Air Force, Punjabis will be roughly 88-87%, Muhajirs 7%, and Pashtus 5%. In the Pakistan Navy, Muhajirs are comparatively well-represented, constituting around 25% proportion of navy.
Sindhis and Baluchis have no representation in Army.
This Zakk is being apologetic.
Prior to 1970s, Muhajirs constituted a major proportion of civil-miltary bureaucracy and in collaboration with Punjabis controlled the industrial and financial sector of Pakistan. One study conducted in 1970 shows that out of 22 most wealthy families of Pakistan, 14 families were Muhajir. Before 1970, Muhajirs were politically allied with Punjabis against Bangal's numeric superiority. In 1970 elections, Punjabi fuedal classes were clever enough to support Bhutto, a non-Punjabi, to also rally Sindhis, beside Muhajirs, against possible emergence of Bangalis political power.
So in 1970's elections, Baluchis, Pashtuns, and Bangalis were on the Bangali-side of the Bangali-Punjabi political divide mostly electing anti-centeric parties (NAP, Shiekh Mujib's Awami League, and Baluch nationalist parties) and Muhajirs, Punjabis, and Sindhis were on the Punjabi-side, voting pro-centeric parties (PPP and religous parties).
When Punjab-dominant establishment got rid of Bangal in 1971, now Punjab had absolute majority in the divided Pakistan and thus they didn't need Muhajirs to counter Bangalis and so they now decided to strike at the power-base of Muhajirs through Bhutto. Bhutto being Sindhi also had a clash of interests with Muhajirs.
Dr. Mubashir Hassan, a Punjabi, was the economic minister of Bhutto. And upon his advise, Bhutto nationalized industries and financial institutions to break Muhajirs monopoly over industrial and financial sectors and bureaucracy. Probably, they feared that if Muhajirs are not contained now, they may monopolize the the entire Pakistani economic structure like Jewish community in USA.
Bhutto also declared Sindhi as the official language of Sindh in order to sort of indigenize the Muhajirs who called themselves Hindustani Muhajirs rather than new Sindhis. Moreover, he sat aside rural and urban j...ob quotas for Muhajirs and rural Sindhis. Meanwhile, other communities, especially Punjabis also had surged and were now competing with Muhajirs in Karachi itself. Further a lot of Sindhis had moved to Karachi as white color workers.
All these factors combined to erode Muhajirs power to which they responded through extreme Muhajir ethno-centerism.
Interestingly, when they reacted to the changing internal power dynamics, they targetted the weakest community in Karachi i.e. Pashtuns who were simple labourors neither a threat to Muhajirs in financial-industrial sector nor in white-color j...obs or cultural domain. Some people blame it on that hypocrite pro-Punjabi Gen. Ziaul-Haq, who and whose force directed Muhajir rage against Pashtuns. Some analysts say that Punjab benefited from this because the industrial hub was relocated to Punjab.
In short, what happened in 1970s was a manifestation of internal power dynamics in which the dominant Punjabi majority dropped Muhajir community as a partner and embraced the fuedal elite of Sindh as junior partners. It is another point that due to Afghan war, Punjabis again had to change partners this time embracing Pashtuns. At one time during Afghan crisis, 5 to 6 core commanders, the supreme decision making clique in Pakistan, were Pashtuns besides many civil Pashtun bureaucrats on high positions in power corridors of Pakistan. This was necessary because Pashtuns had to be appeased in order to win their favor for Afghan war. Qazi Hussain Ahmad was appointed Chief of Jummath Islami during this period. This all was Cold War necessity.
Presently, Muhajirs have again, at least temporarily, gained some power. Musharaf is a Muhajir besides Shaukat Aziz who is also a Muhajir. There are roughly 6 core commanders that are Muhajirs. MQM, the political party of Muhajirs, has been accommodated by Mushi and Shauki thanks the ethnic kinship. Funds are being funneled into development projects in Karachi and Hyderabad.
One cannot predict what will be the future pattern of inter-ethnic power struggle and alliances. Will Punajabis and Muhajirs forged an alliance against the rest again? One cannot say anything for certain. However, it seems Baluchis and Sindhis may come close together because at this time, Baluchis are facing the same situation Sindhis faced after partition i.e. total submergence by migration into their province and annihilation as an ethnicity.
Who knows! But this Zakk is becoming very apologetic. He fears he will be expelled from this Punjabi-Muhajir dominated forum.
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I was being apologetic? The argument was one about MQM and the “ethnic rivalries” involved not about which ethnic group defines pakistans vision of itself..my opinion on which ethnic group presently defines Pakistan has been stated in many other threads..
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Wow… Can you say conspiracy threory!