When did the state of Palestine exist before the Jews took over their country?

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Re: When did the state of Palestine exist before the Jews took over their country?

Are you actually serious, or have you totally lost it?

Hadrat Bilal (r.a.) was a black slave owned by a pagan arab. When he refused to denounce Islam after accepting it, he was beaten and lashed in public. When Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and other wealthy muslims like Abu Bakr found out, they paid a heavy price to free him. He was not a slave again eventhough he was "bought" per se. He was free to practice Islam and live however he wanted. He is just one such example. There are other names too.

So please spare the cock n bull stories when you wanna cast doubts on the righteous doings of Prophet and his companions.

So arabs did slave-trade, sure they did! Just like Prophet Joseph/Yusuf was picked up from the well and sold in a marketplace in Egypt for some coins.

Islam however declared Slavery as unlawful. Until the introduction of Islam, slave-trade was quite a profitable business for the arab pagans of the day.

Now you wanna talk about other muslims that did Slave-Trade, then they clearly violated the religion by doing so because Islam prohibited it.

Hint: Just cuz someone has an arabic name, does not necessarily make him/her a muslim.

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The question is, are you actually serious, or have you totally lost it? Muslims, including the prophet and companions, were involved in the slave trade for centuries. So when did Islam declare slavery as unlawful? Post Quran? Post Muhammad? No, not until 1962 in Saudi Arabia.

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Re: When did the state of Palestine exist before the Jews took over their country?

Actually yes you're right. Prophet Muhammad bought slaves and then freed them.
I suppose that's being involved in a way.

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To even equate the scope and magnitude of the two "trades", the Arab Imperialist one being mostly a matter of conquest and commerce, is the height of ignorance. Yes, it is popular conception of many right wingers, but the fact is the lack of a legacy in Arab lands of a huge slave population speaks to the extent of the slavery. Yes, there was some...but I can't pinpoint any Arab state with the population of African, non-Arab, descendants in the same manner I can point out a Haiti, Jamaica, Brazil, America, and so on. Nor can one point out Slave-dynasties emerging in the Americas. Quality and quantity-wise, the two were night and day.

Yes, it is a popular opinion that the Arab slave trade eclipse the trans-Atlantic one, but if anything, certain Arabs were the middle men in the trans-Atlantic trade.

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Slave trade? As in selling and buying slaves as a business practice...?

Seminole, your mindset is so predictably anti-Islamic...As you wrote that after a greatly hurt and bruised ego, did you even bother to read what you wrote? That is what I'd expect from any redneck living in the swamps of Louisiana with his TV tuned to Fox...

You are so far from reality that just to start off basics with you about Islamic civilization would require pages and pages on this forum...You are so backward with your knowledge, that to discuss slavery in Islam with you is not even an option...

You are so backward, that I for one throw in the gauntlet and tell you to keep believing your sources of information i.e. Fox and CNN...They are a great source of historical knowledge regarding Islam and Muslims as far as yourself is concerned...

And even if someone were brave enough to try and impart even a little knowledge to you, based solely on historical and religious texts and figures, what difference would it make? 3+ years of being on this site, amongst Muslims, hasn't taken the sting and venom against Muslims and Islam out of you, even the slightest, I doubt any amount of information will...

Trust me...For you, western media is the best source of information about Islam...You'd simply disbelieve other sources and it will bring more bile to your Islamophobia...I suggest Fox news...

Oh, and BTW, your country's founding fathers were avid slave traders...If I find an account of what Jefferson wrote (I heard it on NPR the other day) about blacks, you'd be amazed at how much he hated blacks...

Will find it and post it later on...

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^ What a bunch of presumpteous, self important, self righteous hogwash. There was not one innaccurate or brainwashed point in my post. What news organization or mullah impels you to post this holier-than-thou crap?

Just because I don't subscribe to your myopic pov doesn't mean I hate Islam or Muslims. It's 6+ years I've been visiting this site. How many years will you have to live in the US before sting and venom against Christians and Americans is out of you? What a cop out and intellectually dishonest to try and make your pov right and mine wrong based on my supposed hatred when it is apparent your disdain for the people and country you live in drips from your every post.

BTW I only watch Fox to sharpen my pov against the American far right and I don't watch CNN at all. Stop being so presumptuous. My knowledge of slavery within Islam is based on reading the Quran, hadith and legitimate historical texts.

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BTW I only watch Fox to sharpen my pov against the American far right and I don't watch CNN at all. Stop being so presumptuous. My knowledge of slavery within Islam is based on reading the Quran, hadith and legitimate historical texts
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OH! So all of a sudden the hadiths have become knowledge source #1 to you. I see.