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report to cafe b4 we get thrown out :D
Re: When and how
wait, u almost made me fall for that. I'm the bouncer here so what the hey :@:
Alhumdulilah m always chilling.
i never said u can not disagree, or u can not have ur own opinion or u can not be “different”, i guess u again ignored alot of stuff from my post, might be u were sleepy or something. i said if u dont agree with someone just tell him tthat wat he is saying doesn make any sense, or is a lie, or u disagree but u dont have to be rude, hateful and disrespectful. u can read my last post again if u want, see the ending part.
Now ur comments on TLK’s post, its better if we dont play with words :). i 100% agree those sahabas entered the lashkar with the faith and enthusiasm of ISlam, and nothing else and so did the guys do in 1947, do u think they killed theirselves just for the heck of it? Daring if u think those guys killed theirselves just for the heck of it or they wanted to die without any “josh o jazba” of islam then u r entirely wrong. That sahabi Alone entered the group of Kufars where he was alone and they were many, he knew he was gona die “for sure” but his moto was to kill some of em b4 he dies and thats wat happened, wats the difference here??? it was the case of suicide, he knew he ws gona die but the intention was not to die, it was to kill others b4 he dies, they didn have bombs at that time, they were fighting with swords, and same happened in 1947 and initial palestinians attacks, there goal was not to die theirselves, their goal was to kill the maximum amount of enemies troops on the cost of their life which might be impossible without killing theirselves. this are the same stuff, u r not comparing apple’s and oranges here, u r comparing apples with apples but to one u r disrespectful and to other u r supporting.
and now wat u r said about 1947’s suicide attacks is totally opposite to wat u said in previous post, i dono it was intentional or no but in previous post u said they should have gona close enough to to aim it right instead of killing theirselves and Ulma’s declared it halal cuz of their political interests, and yeah u also called it crap 
(astaghfirullah)
and b4 judging anyone, Ina mul amalo biniyat 
in situations pork is also halal, alcohol is halal everything haram stuff turns into halal in certain situations and “suicide” bombing is also one of em.
ps. i dont support the 9-11 attacks, i still doubt that muslims did it, i dont support any suicide attack in which innocent ppl die.
because that was not suicide. Sahaba did that when one sahabi entered the whole lashkar of kuffar and before getting killed, killed many of them.
and BTW, Suicide is haraam but that does not make you Kafir. So all those women who commit suicide in 1947 died as muslim. I am sure many prayed for their maghfirat already and we can do that to
The Sahabi(ra) didn't get killed in that incident, he remained alive.
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my dear friend there alot of examples, not just 1, insha Allah i will open a thread for em.
I don't recall this incident can you please give me details of this incident.
Hazrat Salma bin Aaku (R.A) , When kufar stole prophet’s camels near gaba , a small village near Madnina ..
He didnt wait for the back up Jamat to come and join him , instead he attack'd them and got Shahadat ...
TLK bhai is referring to another incident but this one comes under same category , i hope so .
When guards or police arrives at scene , bouncers are often asked to step back and let the big guys deal with the mess 
Hazrat Salma bin Aaku (R.A) , When kufar stole prophet’s camels near gaba , a small village near Madnina ..
He didnt wait for the back up Jamat to come and join him , instead he attack'd them and got Shahadat ...
TLK bhai is referring to another incident but this one comes under same category , i hope so .
But that was not suicide his purpose was to save Prophet Mohammad(p.b.u.h) 's camels and he went there to save them its kind of war situation in war you don't know wether you are gonna survive or not and you go for Jihaad but taking one's life on purpose because you are sick of dealing with it is different.Again look at those Sahaba (r.a.) they knew danger was there and they put thereselves in dangers instead of running away from it.yahaan to yeh halaat hain zara si sakhti aati hai to kehtay hain ke hamein nahi rehna is duniya mein ham asani ki kaael hain .
In todays world people who are tired of their lives they can't deal with hardships are ready to take their own lives and agar aisay logo ko apni jaan lenay kaa itna hi shaauq hai to unhain Palestine chaley jana chahiye wahaan jaa ker apni jaan dein to sawab bhi miley gaa naa ke apnay aap ko goliyaan khaa ker maarein kyoon ke un se mental mamlaat hal nahi ho saktay.
And jahaan tak un khwateen kaa taaluq hai jinhon ne apni jaan is liye li unhian Hazrat Sumaya(r.a) ki misaal bhool gaii hai shayad jitna un per zulm hoa utna to un per nahi hoa but rather woh khcuh apnay opper sehnay se pehlay hi bhaag gayein zindagi si.
Alhumdulilah m always chilling. i never said u can not disagree, or u can not have ur own opinion or u can not be "different", i guess u again ignored alot of stuff from my post, might be u were sleepy or something. i said if u dont agree with someone just tell him tthat wat he is saying doesn make any sense, or is a lie, or u disagree but u dont have to be rude, hateful and disrespectful. u can read my last post again if u want, see the ending part.
Now ur comments on TLK's post, its better if we dont play with words :). i** 100% agree those sahabas entered the lashkar with the faith and enthusiasm of ISlam, and nothing else and so did the guys do in 1947, do u think they killed theirselves just for the heck of it? Daring if u think those guys killed theirselves just for the heck of it or they wanted to die without any "josh o jazba" of islam then u r entirely wrong. That sahabi Alone entered the group of Kufars where he was alone and they were many, he knew he was gona die "for sure" but his moto was to kill some of em b4 he dies and thats wat happened, wats the difference here??? it was the case of suicide, he knew he ws gona die but the intention was not to die, it was to kill others b4 he dies,** they didn have bombs at that time, they were fighting with swords, and same happened in 1947 and initial palestinians attacks, there goal was not to die theirselves, their goal was to kill the maximum amount of enemies troops on the cost of their life which might be impossible without killing theirselves. this are the same stuff, u r not comparing apple's and oranges here, u r comparing apples with apples but to one u r disrespectful and to other u r supporting.
and now wat u r said about 1947's suicide attacks is totally opposite to wat u said in previous post, i dono it was intentional or no but in previous post u said they should have gona close enough to to aim it right instead of killing theirselves and Ulma's declared it halal cuz of their political interests, and yeah u also called it crap :D (astaghfirullah)
and b4 judging anyone, Ina mul amalo biniyat :) in situations pork is also halal, alcohol is halal everything haram stuff turns into halal in certain situations :) and "suicide" bombing is also one of em.
ps. i dont support the 9-11 attacks, i still doubt that muslims did it, i dont support any suicide attack in which innocent ppl die.
Eco I agree with you but look again their intension is different.Woh sahaba to jihaad per gaye they war mein jab koii jata hai yaa gorilla jang jab lari jaati hai us mein yeh thori hi pata hota hai ke aap zinda rahein gay ya nahi but it is not suicide.Rashid Minhaas ne jo kiya woh suicide thi but for different purpose he wanted to save his country not he was running away from responsibilities.
Lekin yahaan per jo baat discuss ho rahi ahi woh emotional suicide ki baat hai and woh ghalat hai aajkal ke frustated naujawaan jo kertay hain woh yeh hota hai ke ham apni jaan isi liye de rahye hain ke ham apney biwi bachon,maan behnon ko takleef mein nahi dekh saktey to kyoon naaa ham apni ankhein band kar lein baqi un per jo guzray gi us se hamara koii taaluq nahi.Agar woh yehi soch lein ke ham himmat karein gay and difficulties ko face karein gay to baaqi sab ko hosla miley gaa.
And jahaan tak aaj kal ke terrorist attacks kaa taluq hai woh log inhi azeem Sahab ki misaalon kaa ghalat matlab le ker aatey hain brain washed, idiot people .haan aajkal ke ulma ko bhi ijtehaad kerna chahiye ke suicide tareeqa khatam ho jaaye jab jang ki soorat-e-haal ho to sabhi ki jaan ki baazi lagi hoti hai.
oye nai oye nai. Haraaaaaaam 
haramun haramun kullun haramun
In 1947 , many women took their own lives in an attempt to save their honour and pride .. Would you label it as a suicide ?
i dont think i would label it as a suicide, coz In pakistan people see things very differently when it comes to women, if we didnt have this thinking pride, honour etc... then it wouldnt be soo difficult. What about the women who did live wouldnt they be like alive, but living in a dead person's body?
if everything is done halal, then all types of suicides are haram, but if we practice and do only half what the Quran tells us then how can we tell if it's Haram or not.........
Eco I agree with you but look again their intension is different.Woh sahaba to jihaad per gaye they war mein jab koii jata hai yaa gorilla jang jab lari jaati hai us mein yeh thori hi pata hota hai ke aap zinda rahein gay ya nahi but it is not suicide.Rashid Minhaas ne jo kiya woh suicide thi but for different purpose he wanted to save his country not he was running away from responsibilities. Lekin yahaan per jo baat discuss ho rahi ahi woh emotional suicide ki baat hai and woh ghalat hai aajkal ke frustated naujawaan jo kertay hain woh yeh hota hai ke ham apni jaan isi liye de rahye hain ke ham apney biwi bachon,maan behnon ko takleef mein nahi dekh saktey to kyoon naaa ham apni ankhein band kar lein baqi un per jo guzray gi us se hamara koii taaluq nahi.Agar woh yehi soch lein ke ham himmat karein gay and difficulties ko face karein gay to baaqi sab ko hosla miley gaa.
And jahaan tak aaj kal ke terrorist attacks kaa taluq hai woh log inhi azeem Sahab ki misaalon kaa ghalat matlab le ker aatey hain brain washed, idiot people .haan aajkal ke ulma ko bhi ijtehaad kerna chahiye ke suicide tareeqa khatam ho jaaye jab jang ki soorat-e-haal ho to sabhi ki jaan ki baazi lagi hoti hai.
nop nop UZ tusi are lost here :S
everyone here is in agreement that emotional suicide is haram no matter wat.
wat i responded to (that almost back fired) was everyone was saying suicide is haram no matter wat, and there is no way it could be halal. and i responded yes there are some ways when suicide can become halal and thanks for mentioning Rashid minhas how did i forget that, i prefered losing his live instead of giving his plane and important intelligence info to enemy, and 1947 guys just to save few important bombs to the country gave their lives, and paletinians did in the begining. so yeah u and me are in agreement.
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there were few chances for rashid minhas to survive the plane crash unlike blowing up yourself with bombs.
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i cant think of a scenario. it is the loss of hope that gets you there and losing hope is kuffr in its self.
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oii hareem! where u been?