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Suicide is haram in all cases because the person who is committing the act is giving up on life and when you give up on life technically speaking you are giving up on Allah (swt) that is why it is considered one of the big sins.

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Suicide is haram.

But like Aliyish said...if someone has to face being raped...and they commit suicide because they feel its better than being violated then is it really suicide? They dont have a choice...its either lose your izzat or die.

Is that suicide?

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In desperate situations haram become halal.
But no suicide attacks are not an act committed in desperation ,IMO it is hight of depression.
Allah knows the best.

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m really sad to see everyone saying "suicide is haram no matter wat"

i guess everyone has very limited knowledge of history or has no knowledge of history.

1947, Indo-pak war. Pak Army didn have alot of weapons, and instead of throwing the bombs directly to enemy tanks, they tied the bombs to their chests and jumped on tanks theirselves, reason??? cuz if they would throw the bombs directlyy there were chances of missing the target and losing an important bomb, so they preffered losing their lives to make sure that bomb is hitting its target and is not getting wasted and they could save their country.
now it was a PURE suicide case, but Ulma had ijtehaad on it and still there is not a single Alim that says that those "suicide bombings" in 1947 were haram :).

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What about in a War ?

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Achay bachay Allah mian se shikwa nahi kartay :cheegum: Ok jhoot! Allah say nahi karain gay tuo phir kis aba say karain :bummer:

Great topic Kevyan.

Suicide a crime based on intentionally ending one’s life. Some of you have addressed some quite provoking scenerios, eg: when a person is raped, is suicide really the solution? As far as civilizations go back, a soiled person will always be given a hard time to breath in our societies (doesn’t limits it to Muslims only). But if destiny willed it, then it was to be. If we want to take the example of ppl of early era of Islam… have you never come across examples of the torture that the first muslims took? They used to be pegged alive in the scorching heat of the desert sun to be dried to their bones with the grilling climate. One of the companions mother was stretched from legs and arms until they came apart by the kufars. But did they took their lives away? I read that the Prophet peace be upon him, forbade ppl in times of the battle when some muslims got sooooooooo fed up of the war, that to avoid more pain (those that were wounded and were just a few breaths away from death) they wanted to take their lives. Prophet swal lil la ho alay hay wasalam said that it was considered suicide.

Now its all easy for us to quote this and say that… but frankly when it boils down to us, we’re utterly erratically trivial and despicably weak humans. Well atleast I am :snooty:
We are not made up of the stuff that old timers were. Dude, those ppl were real People. We’ll be ready to jump off the cliff if there was no more ‘internet, iphone, ipods, facebook, junk food, coke, classy cars, Tommy’s jeans, gucci’s shades…’ the list goes on an on…

So yes looking at how over whelming it is to be absorbing SOOOOO much information from all around us, so many expectations to meet in such little time, once u’re fully depressed and over loaded: suicide certainly looks like a promising after thought sometimes :@:

btw, ppl who contemplate it care less if its a crime or not at that precise moment. One feels so outta this world that nothing makes no sense, but instead it all makes sense and u think as if u’re thinking straight, even if not, like that matters at that moment.

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Sorry Eco, but those Alims always take the route closest to their “Political” convenience. Did they have the angels come and declare that to them that is was totally justified what they were doing? If they can get close enough to the tank, then they can get close enough to aim the target;unless they were all rookies, which me thinks makes more sense if so and then were told, thats it laddies, this is the waaaaaay to paradise and seventy two hoors (sorry I always screw up the count); and look at the loss they’ve suffered, we’ve done our country so much good with them shedding their precious blood for it. Indeed what I write may seem harshly cold, but sincerely I don’t for one single instance support suicide. Besides, lets give 'um benefit of the doubt, let God decide that if what they did was correct or not.
I will say one thing for sure, it certainly mislead alot of ppl, justifying ‘suicide attacks’ the way they are happening these days. Yeah, lets all applause for that crap, shall we! :cheer:

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because that was not suicide. Sahaba did that when one sahabi entered the whole lashkar of kuffar and before getting killed, killed many of them.

and BTW, Suicide is haraam but that does not make you Kafir. So all those women who commit suicide in 1947 died as muslim. I am sure many prayed for their maghfirat already and we can do that to

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U better be sorry daring cuz wat u wrote is really offensive.
We r so judgmental about the Alims eh, not pin pointing anyone, but our young generation without any knowledge of Quran, without even reading a “single” complete authentic translationf of Quran, without knowing the difference between different types of hadiths, without even knowing wat is fiqh, without even knowing wat is ijtehaad go ahead and start judging Alims.
and now coming to ur question that “did they have angels come and declare that to them that is was totally justified what they were doing?” I guess u ignored the word “Ijtehaad” in my post above, google it b4 judging Alims. do u have any idea how many questiones were arised in the mind of sahabas after the demise of beloved prophet (saw) and how many confusions they had?? wat they did? Ijtehaad, and may Allah bless Aisha (RA) she had a great contribution to it. No angel came to help out Aisha (ra) or Umer (ra)

coming back to 1947, if they could come close to the tank to take an accurate aim they’d still be dead by the impact of bomb, its a bomb, not a firecracker, do u think they didn want to live they were crazy bunch of guys who just wanted to die??? all this stuff is on record in history books how they jumped on the tanks with the bombs tied, it didn happen in the war of 1971 and the war of Kargil, why?? cuz we had enough weapons then. btw pak won the 1965 war and there are so many books written on that war mostly by british journalists and one of em is “impossible to win” that says that the whole world thought that pak would lose but they won. (vice versa happened in 1971)
U know wat ur prob is?? ur comparing the recent suicide bombings in which the innocent kids and women are dying with the suicide bombing of 1947 and the suicide bombings in palestine.
and r u seriously daring or someone stole ur password?? u r calling all this crap??? atleast u can express ur views without being so hateful, rude, and disrespectful.

I m against suicide bombings, i m against 9-11 attacks, m against all the suicide bombings happening in pakistan, and india, but they are exceptions. i can qoute so much Islamic stuff here but m already sounding like a crappy mullah and fundamentlist here that i don wana involve more religion in it.

Guys if u dont agree with someone just say wat that guy is saying is not true, doesn makes any sense or is totally false, but please dont be disrespectful for someone’s faith, suck it up and keep it to urself.

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Exactly, we can not call that suicide bombing, but that was something where they knew they are gona die for sure.

m in agreement with ya

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I don't recall this incident can you please give me details of this incident.

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^^^ there is not just this one, there are many, i will make some thread about it insha Allah.

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Eco, chill man. Its a conversation based on opinions and a little bit of facts here and there. When is it fun when all are agreeing and piled up all on one side and it so seems like a one way traffic street otherwise. I shall bring controversy to see how passionate everyone is about it. Without the sparks effects is like staring at ‘fireworks’ that are waiting to be set alite. But yes I see some already set off here =)

No I won’t be taking my opinion back. Not everyone is afraid to be different, and I’m quite alright with sticking to my views.
Although u took my words in a different context but khair no matter.

The topic is regarding Suicide. Suicide is intentional. No matter which way its argued, its still suicide.
The example TLK used, i.e. the sahaba going into the ‘safs’ of kufar in times of battle, went with ‘josh and jazba-e-jihad’ in their heart, with only one thing in their heart full faith in Allah, but I’m sure if they were throwing themselves at the enemy with the thought:“I’m going to die, I’m going to die, omg omg” they wouldn’t had the same vigour and valiant warrior zest in them to fight the battle. That example I wouldn’t categorize as suicide, although it still ends in death. so on that bit, TLK, you and I are in agreement.

Rahi baath ulmah ki, as far as my feelings go, I don’t trust the lot of them … for no longer are the majority of them as sincere as their faith dictates. And yes it is okay for us to differ in thought about them. We all discover our selves in our own little journeys, we don’t have to shove another person with our opinions making them subdued to completely be in sync with our own views. To judge that: people have stopped using their intellect is very capricious. Maybe not everyone shares the same experiences, because everyone is made differently and yes it is okay to be different, once again :cheegum:

To end it off with the incident of 1947, I said let Allah be the judge of that. Who are we to decide it was right or wrong. Logically ofcourse it looked pretty good to us, cuz those guys back there saved our behinds from being eternaly lit at the precious cost of their own lives. So yes I respect their sacrifice.
But the trend that is on-going currently how the juhla ulmas are encouraging little kids, brain washing their heads with such examples of past, are abusing and misleading them by those historic examples that were pure in their intentions.

Suicide by far is a sad thing to be considering. Never an acception. I’ve heard so many ppl say, that those who do it are straight going to hell, and will burn forever and ever. I don’t buy that though. For us to judge that those that commit it are going to hell, well may I ask: will u say the same if someone you’ve known for your entire life, and that single person meant the world to u did it, did u or might you feel still the same way?

I think not…

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who they?

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^Mahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam :hugz:

How are ya, long time yeah?

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Two blondes were in a bar watching the television when the news came on. It showed a guy on a bridge that was about to jump, obviously suicidal. "I'll bet you $10 he'll jump," said Betty.

"Bet you $10 he won't," replied Amber. Then, the guy on the television closed his eyes and threw himself off the bridge. The second blonde hands the first her money.

"I can't take your money," said Betty. "I cheated you. The same story was on the five o'clock news."

"No, no. Take it," said Amber. "I saw the five o'clock news too. I just didn't think the guy was dumb enough to jump again!"

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^ LOL! btw hiiiii :p

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^:D did u ever got to rid urself of that smelly thang?