When and how

[EcoShan]

@Daring_V

Eco, chill man. Its a conversation based on opinions and a little bit of facts here and there. When is it fun when all are agreeing and piled up all on one side and it so seems like a one way traffic street otherwise. I shall bring controversy to see how passionate everyone is about it. Without the sparks effects is like staring at ‘fireworks’ that are waiting to be set alite. But yes I see some already set off here =)

No I won’t be taking my opinion back. Not everyone is afraid to be different, and I’m quite alright with sticking to my views.
Although u took my words in a different context but khair no matter.

The topic is regarding Suicide. Suicide is intentional. No matter which way its argued, its still suicide.
The example TLK used, i.e. the sahaba going into the ‘safs’ of kufar in times of battle, went with ‘josh and jazba-e-jihad’ in their heart, with only one thing in their heart full faith in Allah, but I’m sure if they were throwing themselves at the enemy with the thought:“I’m going to die, I’m going to die, omg omg” they wouldn’t had the same vigour and valiant warrior zest in them to fight the battle. That example I wouldn’t categorize as suicide, although it still ends in death. so on that bit, TLK, you and I are in agreement.

Rahi baath ulmah ki, as far as my feelings go, I don’t trust the lot of them … for no longer are the majority of them as sincere as their faith dictates. And yes it is okay for us to differ in thought about them. We all discover our selves in our own little journeys, we don’t have to shove another person with our opinions making them subdued to completely be in sync with our own views. To judge that: people have stopped using their intellect is very capricious. Maybe not everyone shares the same experiences, because everyone is made differently and yes it is okay to be different, once again

To end it off with the incident of 1947, I said let Allah be the judge of that. Who are we to decide it was right or wrong. Logically ofcourse it looked pretty good to us, cuz those guys back there saved our behinds from being eternaly lit at the precious cost of their own lives. So yes I respect their sacrifice.
But the trend that is on-going currently how the juhla ulmas are encouraging little kids, brain washing their heads with such examples of past, are abusing and misleading them by those historic examples that were pure in their intentions.

Suicide by far is a sad thing to be considering. Never an acception. I’ve heard so many ppl say, that those who do it are straight going to hell, and will burn forever and ever. I don’t buy that though. For us to judge that those that commit it are going to hell, well may I ask: will u say the same if someone you’ve known for your entire life, and that single person meant the world to u did it, did u or might you feel still the same way?

I think not…

Alhumdulilah m always chilling.
i never said u can not disagree, or u can not have ur own opinion or u can not be “different”, i guess u again ignored alot of stuff from my post, might be u were sleepy or something. i said if u dont agree with someone just tell him tthat wat he is saying doesn make any sense, or is a lie, or u disagree but u dont have to be rude, hateful and disrespectful. u can read my last post again if u want, see the ending part.

Now ur comments on TLK’s post, its better if we dont play with words :). i 100% agree those sahabas entered the lashkar with the faith and enthusiasm of ISlam, and nothing else and so did the guys do in 1947, do u think they killed theirselves just for the heck of it? Daring if u think those guys killed theirselves just for the heck of it or they wanted to die without any “josh o jazba” of islam then u r entirely wrong. That sahabi Alone entered the group of Kufars where he was alone and they were many, he knew he was gona die “for sure” but his moto was to kill some of em b4 he dies and thats wat happened, wats the difference here??? it was the case of suicide, he knew he ws gona die but the intention was not to die, it was to kill others b4 he dies, they didn have bombs at that time, they were fighting with swords, and same happened in 1947 and initial palestinians attacks, there goal was not to die theirselves, their goal was to kill the maximum amount of enemies troops on the cost of their life which might be impossible without killing theirselves. this are the same stuff, u r not comparing apple’s and oranges here, u r comparing apples with apples but to one u r disrespectful and to other u r supporting.

and now wat u r said about 1947’s suicide attacks is totally opposite to wat u said in previous post, i dono it was intentional or no but in previous post u said they should have gona close enough to to aim it right instead of killing theirselves and Ulma’s declared it halal cuz of their political interests, and yeah u also called it crap (astaghfirullah)

and b4 judging anyone, Ina mul amalo biniyat
in situations pork is also halal, alcohol is halal everything haram stuff turns into halal in certain situations and “suicide” bombing is also one of em.

ps. i dont support the 9-11 attacks, i still doubt that muslims did it, i dont support any suicide attack in which innocent ppl die.