What's YOUR problem with Islam/Islamic laws/Political Islam?

[Sannan]

Re: What’s YOUR problem with Islam/Islamic laws/Political Islam?

@mAd_ScIeNtIsT

a) I don’t think that Pakistan was established as an Islamic state. Having said that, Pakistan has no obligation at all to follow the vision of its founding fathers - its people’s sole obligation is to follow the commands of God, and as such in principle should work to transform it into a state run on the principles of Islam.

@ravage

a) Pakistan was not defined historically as an Islamic state. It was defined as a Muslim state, where Islam gave communal identity, defined in opposition largely to Hindus. It is not necessarily the same thing. Consider the case of Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. Communal identities and national boundaries have been drawn on the basis of religion, yet neither has become a theocracy.

@1947

Quaid e Azam never wanted an Islamic State. He hated Theocracy and was very secular in nature. He never wanted Shariah Law or Blasphemy Law, he didn’t even prohibit alcohol or gambling. If Quaid e Azam’s vision was followed then right now Pakistan would be a developed country and a model for other Muslim majority countries. Unfortunately after ZAB came everything went down the drain.

Right now we are following Zia’s vision.

Before digging up the other things, I’m astonished on the thinking that Pakistan was not established as Islamic State!! Nene share very informative quote from the history and even a villager can tell that Pakistan was established on the name of Islam.
Even i am not a good Muslim but knows from the history that Pakistan was made on the name of Islam. Its just a thought of biased secular that Pakistan were meant to be a secular state.
So its crystal clear that Pakistan is a Islamic State.

@Nene23

a) Allow me to quote from history…

“This Dominion which represents the fulfillment, in a certain measure, of the cherished goal of 100 million Muslim of this sub-continent, came into existence on August 15, 1947. Pakistan is the premier Islamic state and the fifth largest in the world”

Broadcast talk on Pakistan to the People of the United States of America, February 1948
Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah Speeches and Statements,
Government of Pakistan, Ministry of Information, 1989, p155

“You have fought many a battle on the far flung fields of the globe to get rid the world of the fascist menace and make it safe for democracy. Now you have to stand guard over the development and maintenance of Islamic democracy, Islamic social justice and the equality of mankind in your own native soil”

Address to Officers and Men of Ack-Ack Regiments, Malir,
Karachi, February 21, 1948
Rizwan Ahmed, Sayings of Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah: with his life and time at a glance, Karachi, Pakistan Movement Center, 1993, p148

“Do not be overwhelmed by the enormity of the task. There is many an example in history of young nations building themselves up by sheer determination and force of character. You are made of sterling material and are second to none. Why should you also not succeed like many other, like your own forefathers. You have only to develop the spirit of the “Mujahids”. You are a nation whose history is replete with people of wonderful gifts, character and heroism. Live up to your traditions and add to it another chapter of glory.

All I require of you now is that everyone of us to whom this message reaches must vow to himself and be prepared to sacrifice his all, if necessary, in building up Pakistan as a bulwark of Islam and as one of the greatest nations whose ideal is peace within and peace without.”

“The Task Ahead” Speech at the University Stadium Lahore, October 30, 1947.
Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah: Speeches and Statements,
Government of Pakistan, Ministry of Information, 1989, p94

b) * The Shariah Law is an integral part of the Islamic state, if not the foundation itself. Practically speaking, would it be viable as a voluntary parallel system within a country where ipso facto its large-scale antithesis prevails? Or consider, would reformation of laws concerning theft in a society full of and run by thieves be altered in their favor or manipulated to appear as endangering? Law itself, should not be a subjective instrument but an absolute guideline for society, and what better guideline is there to follow but a divine one?

[ii] Public understanding of the Shariah law itself, is limited and contrary to its spirit. Have any of you read (in detail, and not simply what newspapers NGOs and politicians quote out of text) and found any flaw within the Shariah that makes it unacceptable for complete application as supreme law of the land? And isn’t waiting for masses to turn to Islam before it can be applied in the legal sphere tantamount to waiting for people to stop killing, stealing, committing all sorts of transgressions before any penal code is established? Law is meant to deter, not only limit and curtail damages…and Islamic law is meant to establish a just and equitable system in all aspects of life, with prevention as its base, thus verdicts of punishment only as a last resort. It’s application is not all “zomg-talibanization-ruuuun!” as popular media portrays.

[iii] In the present context, I agree. There are extremists, there are politically motivated jurists, there are people with no religious sense chairing religious organizations, there are masses with no education, let alone religious insight. Does this mean that we shouldn’t bother correcting this milieu?

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