Whats your advice?

I provide friendly counseling to friends and am a little stumped on one friends issue.

She and her husband do not get along but like a lot of people, are sticking it out for the sake of the kids.

She contends that her hubby is always accusing her of stuff but never listens to her.

Her two major complaints are:

  1. He never listens to or cares about any of her complaints or concerns. For example, she complained that she felt taken for granted and her hubby and children were making her feel like she was only there to cook and clean. Instead, of showing concern for why she felt this way, he berated her for trying to weasel her way out of cooking and cleaning for the family.

  2. He never finds any faults in himself, only her. He constantly complains about how bad she is etc..She replies, “OK..fine I will accept all your accusations if you tell me what might be wrong from your side” He becomes quiet because he doesnt feel anything is his fault.

I am in a dilemma because I dont know how to help her. Personally, I would just tell such a stubborn husband to go stuff himself but of course thats not appropriate.

So how can make her hubby see her point of view? (Or is there more to this that I cant see?)

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I say this a lot to people who are in similar situations so it may seem like Im repeating myself but here goes:

Some men are grateful and appreciative of stay at home mothers and wives. They realize the work it takes and lend a helping hand after they come home. That being said, some men also start to devalue a woman whose life ONLY revolves around her children and home. Why? I have no idea...it takes more work to run a home and raise kids then a nine-to-five job.

The only way to gain respect is to involve him in home life and for her to GET A LIFE. That means...she needs to get out more, set some goals for HERSELF and acheive them, make her life about more then just choola chakki, etc. Some men need to see how strong their wives really are. Tell her to start focusing on herself, stop being upset with him, keep a light attitude, dont take him too seriously, make some friends, get out more, maybe start working from home or get a part time job if at all possible, etc.

Its really important for women to not lose themselves but we do because we are nurturing...it just happens.

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Well for one, you are only hearing one side of the story.

If you really want to help, then you can ask her if she and her husband would like to talk to a third person such as yourself and if so, you all can sit together and discuss.

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I have heard and read that when you use** "YOU" messages in an argument, the other person becomes defensive because you are constantly saying **"You don't do this" ** "You never do this"** "What the hell is your problem" "You are a selfish idiot.". This, in turn, makes the other person mad, and he will hurl all the "YOU" messages right back at you. It's advised by some therapists to use "I" **messages. Example: "I would appreciate it more if I could get some help with the cleaning" "It makes things easier for me when I have some help with the chores and that way I can focus on other things"** or even "We can split up responsibilities in an effort to create more time for us".

Also, it is said that one should start a potentially tense discussion with **positive **points/praise. So, first your friend should talk about the positive (ANY positive) thing her husband does. And after that she should address the concerns with "I" messages. So, let's say that her husband's biggest problem is not listening. Well, maybe she should start off with what his good qualities are that she likes about him.

And she has to make the effort to "catch him doing something good." For example, when he does do something positive (washing the dishes, taking care of the kids, laundry, etc).......she should thank him and give some light praise. That might shock him and make him wonder/reflect about things. And it might subconsciously motivate him to try harder. And when we feel good about ourselves, we're more likely to act positive towards others. In other words....he might start behaving more positively with her.

****When someone (EVEN your own MOM)* consistently nags you about doing things.......will you do it? Most likely NOT. Why someone asks nicely, or even encourages......we become more cooperative.

This couple has stated a back and forth litany of insults and criticism. What GOOD does criticizing do? Especially if it's only constant criticism? Even children get hurt when parents only criticize them. Why not surprise each other with a compliment once in a while. It makes one realize how deprived they've been of some appreciation. And if your friend is that concerned, then she shouldn't wait for him.......she needs to start somewhere. And she needs to understand that things won't magically get better in days. It will require patience and effort.

Also, actions speak louder than words. A compliment helps....but a kind deed/favor has more impact (cooking a favorite meal, etc). One person has to start making the effort in a way to encourage the other.

In my opinion if your friend did not care about her husband on some level, she wouldn't have bothered seeking advice. So, she can try the above strategies with a bit of persistence. And if that doesn't work, then perhaps they should seek** marriage counseling**.

Also, as Psquared **suggested in another thread....she should focus on herself too. You know, take care of herself (physically, emotionally)....so that he sees that she's not just a housewife to take for granted. She's an attractive, confident woman, who can clean the house, and have a social life. She's not just a **NEGATIVE NANCY.....Know what i mean? Maybe it's time that at least one of them put the pride to the side and help the air in the house change a bit.

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Staying home is a really tough job. Its the lack of socialization that you get when you're in the working world, its the endless repetition of chores, its the same-old, same-old things each and every day. Its a tough job because of those things more than anything else. This is something that many husbands dont realize. It can be compared to sending the husband off to a factory job every day where he has a repetitive job - no talking, just do the same task over and over and over again. With no incentive to do any better or any worse - of course if performance gets too bad then he loses his job...but a pat on the back every now and then of course would boost his production yeah?

I had to spend time away ffrom home when my dad was so sick. Hubby took care of house and home and he clearly understands that the monotony of it all is the biggest stress factor. So he complements me now and then for ordinary things. That boosts me to make further efforts and then I get a "Wow!" kind of response. That works wonders and I go to even further lengths. So now, when I have an off day or 2, he gives me a break and takes over - whether its doing homework with the boys or making their dinner.

A marriage is a partnership. Both have to give and take and its harder to be the one at home but its also the more rewarding place to be. When each has the utmost respect for the role of the other, things just work like a well-oiled machine.

This couple needs a lube job I think.

What is that?

lubrication......i'm guessing. LOL.

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...meaning that a "well-oiled" machine works at its best. And when a couple has the utmost respect for each other, they work together like a "well-oiled" machine.

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The husband is a very traditional Pakistani guy who believes that a mans only job in life is to provide for the family and definitely does not include housework or helping out. He believes its the mothers job to take care of children not fathers so he will not take care of them or give her a break from them.

This man holds double standards. He goes out whenever he wants to for sports or friends but accuses her of being a bad woman because she went out with her kids and came home at 9pm. He knows that the doctor has told her that she is suffering from stress and has put her on anti depressants but instead of trying to be supportive, he nags and fights with her as to why the house is not clean or the food not cooked daily. The poor woman is suffering from depression and has no support network at home.

I agree with all of you that she needs a life and needs to stop looking for support or love from a place she has never seen such things ever. I think she should leave him but her kids are small and she doesnt feel able to support them on her own.

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You're her friend...motivate her and take her out every so often. It will help her see she is more than just a mother and wife...she is also a person and a human being.

It will take time...nothing happens overnight but once she gets out there...she will be stronger and more able to make her own decisions.

:)

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Get a divorce. A mistake all women make is that they can get the man to change. No I am not trolling. The man will not change. Unless he gets an actual brain, barring that this relationship is going to get worse and the children will suffer.

My suggestion leave the bull**** and get down to brass tacts. Get a divorce solve the matter and hopefully she can screw over the dick in the court room.

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I feel he keeps goading her cos she shows how his behaviour is frustrating her. And she tries hard to resolve matters. She will not be able to change his thinking i this way.

How about she continues her routine chores, but totally ignores his inappropriate or snide behaviour...for a while. In the meantime, she should try to build a social network of her own. Or get an outside interest or job. I think that if he feels there is no reaction from her, he may tire of behaving like a king cos he will suddenly feel powerless.

She would have to be extremely strong thick skinned and patient though. But I feel she will eventually command her kids respect towards her. The way it is, he is berating the mother in front of the children...and that is really a terrible thing to do.