What’s the truth behind the Heathrow plot?

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What’s the truth behind the Heathrow plot?

A report in The New York Times says that the “Heathrow plot” may have been overblown because there is no evidence that the suspects taken into custody on August 10 in the UK were preparing to strike aircraft over the Atlantic en route to America. This reinforces the sceptics who have alleged that the brouhaha was created by the US and British governments, in collusion with Pakistan, to help stabilise the falling ratings of President George Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair…

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I call this shamefull and pure Buzdilli. Other opinions?

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^^ Of course it was over-blown. People after 9/11 and 3/11 and 7/7 are very edgy.

So any future attempt at terrorism is taken very seriously. Although people from the same background and age carried out sucessfully the london subway bombings so why is it so hard to beleive that this is not possible or some conspiracy theory?

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Can you post the entire article here.

Thanks.

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Media in any democracy earns bread and butter on loop holes. And terror supporting gentry is always eager to pick up these holes to cook their own theory.

What’s the truth behind the Heathrow plot? Off course there was some designe. Most probably the Britons or Jews were beghind the plot to malign to good name of.......

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I'll try even though most people consider it mission impossible.

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What’s the truth behind the Heathrow plot?

A report in The New York Times says that the “Heathrow plot” may have been overblown because there is no evidence that the suspects taken into custody on August 10 in the UK were preparing to strike aircraft over the Atlantic en route to America. This reinforces the sceptics who have alleged that the brouhaha was created by the US and British governments, in collusion with Pakistan, to help stabilise the falling ratings of President George Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair.

At the time of the arrests, US Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff had suggested that the plot was imminent and it was “getting really quite close to the execution stage”. This was corroborated by initial media reports which said that while British authorities wanted to capture the perpetrators after they had executed the dry-run, the US and Pakistani authorities insisted on disruption just before the execution stage. But the NYT report, put out after exhaustive investigation into the plot, brings into sharp focus two main points: claims that the suspects were about to strike may not be true; and that they had planned to target up to 10 planes may be exaggerated.

British officials indicate that at least two of the suspects did not even have passports’ “while the plot’s leaders were still recruiting and radicalising would-be bombers”. Corollary: the plot did not appear to be in its final stages. “In fact, two and a half weeks since the inquiry became public, British investigators have still not determined whether there was a target date for the attacks, how many planes were to be involved or how many suicide bombers were intended to be aboard each plane. British officials said the estimate of 10 planes was speculative and exaggerated,” reads the NYT story. In addition to this, the critical question of “whether any of the suspects was technically capable of assembling and detonating liquid explosives while airborne,” remains unanswered. What should we make of this?

One important point needs to be flagged: the US and British governments have manipulated intelligence and dissembled to push certain policies and get public support for them.

Indeed, even a sympathetic interpretation of the British allegations would force analysts to point to the fact that the manner in which the entire plot was played up was melodramatic. The stories that detailed the operational disagreement among US, British and Pakistani governments on when to move in were also exaggerated. The ultimate agreement on disruption itself suggested that the operation was ready to enter the execution stage, which the NYT report — as also other analyses — shows was not the case. It thus appears that someone in the chain decided to use the method of “disruption” to turn the alleged plot into a confirmed “attack” much bigger and more diabolical than it might have been even if it had been able to get to the execution stage.

The revelations also show Pakistan in a dubious light. Islamabad has been tight-lipped over the whole affair and not much is known about how, where and when it captured Rashid Rauf, the suspect whose arrest later led to the bust in London. We would like the truth to come out because much more than the narrow interests of three governments are involved. This plot has the potential to damn Muslims all over the world in general and British Muslims in particular.

Daily Times

Can you read it now fallenpieta?

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What’s the truth behind the Heathrow plot?

A report in The New York Times says that the “Heathrow plot” may have been overblown because there is no evidence that the suspects taken into custody on August 10 in the UK were preparing to strike aircraft over the Atlantic en route to America. This reinforces the sceptics who have alleged that the brouhaha was created by the US and British governments, in collusion with Pakistan, to help stabilise the falling ratings of President George Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair.

At the time of the arrests, US Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff had suggested that the plot was imminent and it was “getting really quite close to the execution stage”. This was corroborated by initial media reports which said that while British authorities wanted to capture the perpetrators after they had executed the dry-run, the US and Pakistani authorities insisted on disruption just before the execution stage. But the NYT report, put out after exhaustive investigation into the plot, brings into sharp focus two main points: claims that the suspects were about to strike may not be true; and that they had planned to target up to 10 planes may be exaggerated.

British officials indicate that at least two of the suspects did not even have passports’ “while the plot’s leaders were still recruiting and radicalising would-be bombers”. Corollary: the plot did not appear to be in its final stages. “In fact, two and a half weeks since the inquiry became public, British investigators have still not determined whether there was a target date for the attacks, how many planes were to be involved or how many suicide bombers were intended to be aboard each plane. British officials said the estimate of 10 planes was speculative and exaggerated,” reads the NYT story. In addition to this, the critical question of “whether any of the suspects was technically capable of assembling and detonating liquid explosives while airborne,” remains unanswered. What should we make of this?

One important point needs to be flagged: the US and British governments have manipulated intelligence and dissembled to push certain policies and get public support for them.

Indeed, even a sympathetic interpretation of the British allegations would force analysts to point to the fact that the manner in which the entire plot was played up was melodramatic. The stories that detailed the operational disagreement among US, British and Pakistani governments on when to move in were also exaggerated. The ultimate agreement on disruption itself suggested that the operation was ready to enter the execution stage, which the NYT report — as also other analyses — shows was not the case. It thus appears that someone in the chain decided to use the method of “disruption” to turn the alleged plot into a confirmed “attack” much bigger and more diabolical than it might have been even if it had been able to get to the execution stage.

The revelations also show Pakistan in a dubious light. Islamabad has been tight-lipped over the whole affair and not much is known about how, where and when it captured Rashid Rauf, the suspect whose arrest later led to the bust in London. We would like the truth to come out because much more than the narrow interests of three governments are involved. This plot has the potential to damn Muslims all over the world in general and British Muslims in particular.

Daily Times

Can you read it now fallenpieta? Let

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What’s the truth behind the Heathrow plot?

A report in The New York Times says that the “Heathrow plot” may have been overblown because there is no evidence that the suspects taken into custody on August 10 in the UK were preparing to strike aircraft over the Atlantic en route to America. This reinforces the sceptics who have alleged that the brouhaha was created by the US and British governments, in collusion with Pakistan, to help stabilise the falling ratings of President George Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair.

At the time of the arrests, US Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff had suggested that the plot was imminent and it was “getting really quite close to the execution stage”. This was corroborated by initial media reports which said that while British authorities wanted to capture the perpetrators after they had executed the dry-run, the US and Pakistani authorities insisted on disruption just before the execution stage. But the NYT report, put out after exhaustive investigation into the plot, brings into sharp focus two main points: claims that the suspects were about to strike may not be true; and that they had planned to target up to 10 planes may be exaggerated.

British officials indicate that at least two of the suspects did not even have passports’ “while the plot’s leaders were still recruiting and radicalising would-be bombers”. Corollary: the plot did not appear to be in its final stages. “In fact, two and a half weeks since the inquiry became public, British investigators have still not determined whether there was a target date for the attacks, how many planes were to be involved or how many suicide bombers were intended to be aboard each plane. British officials said the estimate of 10 planes was speculative and exaggerated,” reads the NYT story. In addition to this, the critical question of “whether any of the suspects was technically capable of assembling and detonating liquid explosives while airborne,” remains unanswered. What should we make of this?

One important point needs to be flagged: the US and British governments have manipulated intelligence and dissembled to push certain policies and get public support for them.

Indeed, even a sympathetic interpretation of the British allegations would force analysts to point to the fact that the manner in which the entire plot was played up was melodramatic. The stories that detailed the operational disagreement among US, British and Pakistani governments on when to move in were also exaggerated. The ultimate agreement on disruption itself suggested that the operation was ready to enter the execution stage, which the NYT report — as also other analyses — shows was not the case. It thus appears that someone in the chain decided to use the method of “disruption” to turn the alleged plot into a confirmed “attack” much bigger and more diabolical than it might have been even if it had been able to get to the execution stage.

The revelations also show Pakistan in a dubious light. Islamabad has been tight-lipped over the whole affair and not much is known about how, where and when it captured Rashid Rauf, the suspect whose arrest later led to the bust in London. We would like the truth to come out because much more than the narrow interests of three governments are involved. This plot has the potential to damn Muslims all over the world in general and British Muslims in particular.

Daily Times

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^ Didn't mean that, somehow it clicked 3 times.