What’s Going on in Najaf?

While channel flipping last night, I came across some talking heads discussing differences between Najaf and Fallujah. I haven’t seen any written stories on this but the discussion talked about how some unidentified group of armed Iraqis have been quietly killing Al-Sadr supporters. According to these guys, something like 65 of Al-Sadr’s militamen have been killed in the last couple of days and four guys deemed to be in leadership positions with Al-Sadr’s group have been assassinated. The thrust of the story was that the unidentified group of armed Iraqis doing this are loyalists to Sistani and the more moderate Shiites, that the moderate Shiite leadership and the majority of Shiite people in Najaf and elsewhere have grown quite weary of Al-Sadr and are taking care of the problem he is by themselves. The US, according to these guys, is just keeping the city surrounded and under siege and letting the Iraqis handle Al-Sadr.

Does anybody have links to some media site that might discuss this? Has anybody else heard this?

MV

interesting bit of news, but this is teh first time I have heard of it. please post more when u find more info.

In Najaf, the American military appeared to be getting help from a shadowy new vigilante group in Najaf that might have been responsible for the deaths of seven armed supporters of the rebel cleric, Moktada al-Sadr, according to residents of Najaf. An American commander said that “there may be some validity” to reports of attacks by the vigilantes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/28/international/middleeast/28CND-IRAQ.html?hp

^ Thanks.
Come to think of it, I think one of the talking heads was a NY Times reporter. I'm pretty sure that the number of Al-Sadr guys reportedly killed was around 60 something with 4 leader types assassinated.

The story that was discussed talked about this "vigilante" group wearing all black clothing. It was speculated/rumored that they were Sistani loyalists. This vigilante action served Sistani's interest because it was eliminating a threat to his power base. The average guy in Najaf supposedly was sick and tired of being sick and tired and under seige and was aiding the vigilantes in getting rid of Al-Sadr.

Sistani drew his red line in the sand to keep the coalition out of Najaf. Maybe he gave assurances that the Iraqis would effectively cleanse Najaf of the Al-Sadr militia. When all is said and done, Moktada might have wished he was arrested and put in a comfy cell next to Saddam.

thats what is called wishful thinking. If what you are saying is right than Iraq is effectively heading into a civil war with private armies fighting each other. That will be an even bigger headache for the occupiers. BTW, now that Sistani is also involved in killing, is he an insurgent, a terrorist or freedom fighter?

I suspect, if the news is correct than he cant be an insurgent or a terrorist because he is doing US's dirty work for them. So i suppose he is a freedom fighter.

The Iraqis are killing the thugs of Sadr. This is welcome news.

Interesting. You’ve got guys in Iraq who are killing other guys in Iraq in order to promote unrest and civil war. Now another group of guys comes in to kill the guys who are killing guys in order to promote unrest and civil war. Aren’t the new guys actually opposing the promotion of unrest and civil war? Or by opposing the guys who want unrest and civil war, are the new guys also promoting unrest and civil war? :konfused:

This is starting to sound like a bad Edward G. Robinson movie. Remember the line: “Hey: Aint you the guy that got the guy that got the guy that got my brudder?”

May be just a coincidence.,.. but wasn't the all-black dress a uniform of that fiercely Saddam loyal brigade? (forgot the name... Al-Fidayeen or something). Anyway, I don't think there will be a lot of Saddam loyalists in Najaf (a predominantely Shia city). Plus the fact that they are killing Moqtada supporters. I guess another conspiracy theory could be that these are US special ops folks. Afterall, if someone is masked and wearing all black, who would know whether they are Iraqis or whatever. And this is the kind of work Special Ops specialize in, I'd think.

^ Faisal:
My first thought was US Special Ops too. The thing that throws me off that theory are reports that the residents seem very supportive and helpful in getting rid of the Al-Sadr folks. If anyone would be able to tell whether these are other Iraqis versus US Special Ops, you'd think it would be the civilians. I don't believe the civilians of Najaf would help US Special Ops. I think they would help Sistani loyalists.

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I'd kinda agree that the citizens would know better ... however, I am assuming you are saying this after hearing the gentleman on the television say it... and this kind of broad generalization is a classic spin technique. With one sentence like this, the reporter has (successfully) created a major impression into the minds of the viewers about who the civilians support without any evidence or objective support.

Under the present circumstances, there can't be any objective polling done to ascertain who the residents really support. Its a city under seige with limited information coming out. Once this episode is over and the dust has settled, we will know more as to who was killing whom. Its too early to tell.

^ I agree with you. We do need to wait and see what pans out of this. It is a very interesting story that could have some major implications.

Its no secret that Sistani and Al-Sadr don't see eye to eye. People were even more surprised when Sistani drew the red line in the sand saying US should not attack Najaf. Perhaps a better explanation is that he (Sistani) is worried US will dishonor the holy shrines and not that he is protecting Al-Sadr or bcz of impending loss of lives. In either case, I doubt Sistani will deliberatly order killings. Its just not his style. May be I am wrong.

Right. Any of you have heard of the US special forces? This is their line of work. Idiots.

i agree with this post completely :k: It is not his style

Hmmm… Iraqi’s taking charge of al-Sadr. Good on em…

Shiites form counter-militia to attack al-Sadr’s army

By SORAYA SARHADDI NELSON

Knight Ridder Newspapers

NAJAF, Iraq - Armed with a 9 mm handgun and grit, Haidar is trying to do what the American military camped nearby hasn’t done: Drive the gunmen of Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr from this holy city.

Since mid-April, Haidar and scores of other young men from Najaf have gathered nightly in the city’s sprawling cemetery to attack members of al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army militia. Only a few gunmen are targeted each time to prevent big firefights that might injure civilians, said Haidar, who spoke with Knight Ridder on the condition that his last name not be used.

“If we capture them and they swear on the holy Quran they will leave Najaf and never come back, we let them go,” the 20-year-old furniture maker said. “If they resist, they are killed.”

As of Friday, the group claimed to have killed more than a half-dozen Mahdi gunmen and chased off at least 20.

This is the first homebred movement against al-Sadr, and it illustrates the animosity toward the radical cleric within Iraq’s Shiite community, which makes up the majority of Iraq’s population. The Shiites were oppressed under Saddam Hussein’s rule, and the United States has looked to them for support in its efforts to transform Iraq.

Many Shiites in Najaf say only a small number of Iraqi Shiites support al-Sadr. But the grand ayatollahs who guide the Shiites are withholding support from Haidar and his band of vigilantes, fearing a civil war among their followers.

U.S. authorities have expressed hope that the Shiite community would take care of al-Sadr and have failed to condemn the vigilante attacks, leaving the impression that they endorse them. U.S. forces have sought to arrest the young cleric and disband the Mahdi Army, but they don’t want to risk a public backlash that would follow a military incursion into Najaf.

Najaf businessmen, some of whom Haidar and others say are financing the resistance movement, say there’s no choice but to fight back. Al-Sadr “is just a child and he’s running everything,” complained one shop owner, Mohammed Hassan, 45, who sells women’s sundries in the main bazaar. “We haven’t been able to get our goods from Baghdad since his men took over our city. They stop the trucks at checkpoints and steal everything.”

Like the Mahdi Army, which al-Sadr named after the Shiite Muslim messiah to portray his fight against American occupation as God-driven, the counter-militia has adopted a religious name. The group is called “Thul Fiqar al Battar,” named after the double-edged sword carried by Grand Imam Ali, recognized by this Muslim sect as the successor to the Prophet Muhammad.

Haidar says the name is particularly relevant because they’re targeting a group that commandeered the holy Najaf shrine where Grand Imam Ali is buried. But unlike Mahdi militiamen, who often dress in black and carry Kalashnikovs or rocket-propelled grenade launchers, Thul Fiqar fighters try to remain invisible.

They carry only handguns because they can be hidden in their street clothes. They use the common checkered keffiya, or Arab headdress, to cover their faces when they go on raids. Many lack military training.

Before joining Thul Fiqar, Haidar said he shot his 9 mm handgun only once and that was into the air to celebrate deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein’s capture.

Yet the young men have a major tactical advantage over Mahdi members, many of whom are from nearby Kufa, Baghdad or southern towns. Thul Fiqar fighters are hometown boys who know every inch of Najaf, including the hundreds of pathways in the cemetery, which is the largest Muslim burial ground in the world. This cemetery is where they’ve concentrated their attacks against al-Sadr’s gunmen, who go there at night to monitor American troop movements in the distance.

“We don’t use mobile phones or two-way radios,” Haidar said. During the day, “we blend with the crowd and pass on what we learn about Mahdi to other Thul Fiqar, whom we identify by exchanging passwords.”

The immediate impact is negligible, Haidar admitted. Mahdi Army numbers in and around Najaf are estimated in the thousands, compared with the 250 claimed by the Thul Fiqar. Their quest also comes at a high price. Four members of the new group have been killed in firefights with Mahdi, said Hashim, 27, a Thul Fiqar leader who refused to give his last name.

But the counter-militia believes al-Sadr’s group will crumble if it’s attacked from within by Iraqis while the Mahdi is fighting the Americans, camped outside of town.

“The Americans made us happy when they got rid of Saddam Hussein,” Haidar said. “We’re happy to return the favor by getting rid of the Mahdi Army.”
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/special_packages/iraq/8587764.htm

Man this is great new :nuch: Sistani isn’t that much of a sissy, or is he? (say that out loud five times)

As the residents of Najaf start protesting and other Shia clerics express their displeasure with him, Al-Sadr’s time in the sun looks about over. Larger protests are scheduled for Friday.

** Iraqis Protest Against Shi’ite Militia in Najaf **

NAJAF, Iraq (Reuters) - Hundreds of Iraqis marched in Najaf Tuesday calling on militant cleric Moqtada al-Sadr to withdraw his fighters from the Shi’ite holy city.

It was the biggest and most public display yet of mounting local exasperation with an uprising launched last month against the U.S. occupation and follows a U.S. crackdown on Sadr’s Mehdi Army, which says it plans to open up new fronts in its war.

FULL STORY: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5103736

What!? Not everyone is welcoming of the Al-Sado and his thugs?