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O bhai ... LKK ... Aap ko Salam ...
This is will take me too long to answer ... Most of the points in the video are stretched out of context in order to criminalise the other groups ... All I see is that the video maker has issues about people of other groups and that is my biggest concern here rather than the content of what he has presented.
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its the way of the Believers, we've always done it
I wouldn't touch and kiss the Grave of a Wali like that myself at the moment but its one of the accepted positions to do so
I have done similar , kissed and rubbed the hand of a Wali on my face who allowed me to do it, so whatever Hukm applies to them applies to me
take the time to Summarize what you saw here, and the Quran ayats presented to make it more interesting. I have already have a similar project so can not spare the time
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Brother vroom, It's always nice to hear that muslims revere their teachers and give due respect to those with knowledge because those with knowledge may be our heritage going back to Rasool Allah (s.a.w.). So answer me this, how come revering and humbling yourself in front of teachers has not benefitted you because you are harsh in your judgement of anyone that holds differing opinion. Isn't a momin supposed to be kind and softhearted towards the believers? I suspect those whom you revere (as do I/we; those who served Islam and feared Allah), were softer than water and would be very cautious to utter a word of judgement on other muslims, so how come you have not yet adopted that aspect of their teaching? No doubt, I'm sure you will inshaAllah.
See it's not about how many mazars you claim to have built, or what extraordinary practices of reverence you adopt in regard to Awliya of Allah, it is what you do with all that, and the fruits of such labor that count because don't we know it that if someone did vast amounts of Sadaqah, and public service, it may or may not benefit him/her because he/she did it for the sake of being praised by others in the dunya; and all that good goes to waste in the akhirah having yielded nothing to safeguard him/her from the hurt of Jahannam.
So, in that same essence if your reverence of elders, and pious salaf-us-salih from previous generations does not result in your transformation towards others from within, it should sound alarm bells and make you/me/everyone inspect ourselves.
I apologize for the crude manner in which I have said this, but I say this as a result of observing how you interact with others who just like you are trying to voice their love for shuyookh and Islam, and you almost always go out of your way to take the mickey out of the messengers as well as the one presenting the message to others here. The examples are too many. Of course in Islam if you see a brother of yours err, you do your due diligence and avert him from that which could be harmful. And we all need to look into ourselves constantly to ensure what we say will be pleasant to Allah. Again, I seek refuge with Allah from having said anything offensive to you in what I have said, and I apologize if you take offense to anything I have said. It's but a bit of observation.
My character has improved over time, and especially with regard to Believers. I suppose there is different groups and different prospectives around. Not all of them are acceptable and my respect does not extend to them. This is what I consider right thing to do. But its certainly the path I have been given, whether it is a good one or bad one, as you will appreciate Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala knows best. This understanding of mine is what is given to me by Allah Most Merciful, Alhamdulillah, after worship.
The Sahaba were soft on fiqhi differences, and harsh on aqeedah differences, small bits of information like this keep me content with my conduct, and poise
And I am happy over my conduct and character then say yours or others. I think yours and theirs is misplaced. Certainly I wouldn't want theirs and again I have my reasons. i would even tell you and them to ditch what they consider good conduct and start again, if I was given the chance
The other issue, is background. Perhaps we share different backgrounds, and yours is better then mine, and I can not see that nor rise to your level of written and spoken sophistication.
However i back my religious positions and the test of them is in the religion not in written or spoken sophistication
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Brother vroom, It's always nice to hear that muslims revere their teachers and give due respect to those with knowledge because those with knowledge may be our heritage going back to Rasool Allah (s.a.w.). So answer me this, how come revering and humbling yourself in front of teachers has not benefitted you because you are harsh in your judgement of anyone that holds differing opinion. Isn't a momin supposed to be kind and softhearted towards the believers? I suspect those whom you revere (as do I/we; those who served Islam and feared Allah), were softer than water and would be very cautious to utter a word of judgement on other muslims, so how come you have not yet adopted that aspect of their teaching? No doubt, I'm sure you will inshaAllah.
See it's not about how many mazars you claim to have built, or what extraordinary practices of reverence you adopt in regard to Awliya of Allah, it is what you do with all that, and the fruits of such labor that count because don't we know it that if someone did vast amounts of Sadaqah, and public service, it may or may not benefit him/her because he/she did it for the sake of being praised by others in the dunya; and all that good goes to waste in the akhirah having yielded nothing to safeguard him/her from the hurt of Jahannam.
So, in that same essence if your reverence of elders, and pious salaf-us-salih from previous generations does not result in your transformation towards others from within, it should sound alarm bells and make you/me/everyone inspect ourselves.
I apologize for the crude manner in which I have said this, but I say this as a result of observing how you interact with others who just like you are trying to voice their love for shuyookh and Islam, and you almost always go out of your way to take the mickey out of the messengers as well as the one presenting the message to others here. The examples are too many. Of course in Islam if you see a brother of yours err, you do your due diligence and avert him from that which could be harmful. And we all need to look into ourselves constantly to ensure what we say will be pleasant to Allah. Again, I seek refuge with Allah from having said anything offensive to you in what I have said, and I apologize if you take offense to anything I have said. It's but a bit of observation.
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PS: I had deleted my post earlier because I did not feel it would be beneficial, and may cause more harm than good but you've quoted it, so I'm reposting it again for conversation-consistency sake.
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Psyah Bhai 
The underlined part, where i can read about this? Any book, reference etc? 
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Yeah loads
What is it that you want to know in particular?
There is two positions within the ummat that kissing and affectionate touching is allowed, and the second is that it is not to be done. The explanation of Imam Ahmad Raza Khan is that what allows the practice is Love, and what prohibits it is Adab. Meaning what allows it according to those that practice and allow it is Love, love for the person residing in the Grave. And what disallows it is Adab [respect], meaning it is a bit like forcing yourself upon another person, kissing and touching him!
Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Rehmatullah Alaih prohibits the practice himself - preferring a distance of 4 foot minimum distance away from the Qabar Sharif, no touching and no kissing
As for my kissing of a Wali’s Hand, it contained the same actions, veneration and desire as would kissing a Grave so that’s what I meant by the same hukm applies to me - it means I know what I am doing and there is nothing wrong with it in terms of a particular allegation that may be thrown around by some people
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By saying practice you mean 'physical act'? Or having 'love' just in one's inner-self?
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yes, physical acts of touching and kissing
The state of Love is shared by all [Sunnis] at the Grave sites of Awliya
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Okay if I may allowed, I would like to ask you that what is the his source of allowing physical acts i.e., touching and kissing?
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Okay if I may allowed, I would like to ask you that what is the his source of allowing physical acts i.e., touching and kissing?
Whose?
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Explanation of Ahmed Khan.
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Explanation of Ahmed Khan.
I thought so. Imam Ahmad Raza Khan prohibits the practice. I never gave you a name of anyone that allows the practice. The explanation was for why other Imams have conducted or allowed the practice
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Thank you 
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That couldn’t have been the answer to your question. One of the Imams that conducted or approved of actions similar to those shown in the video is Abu Ayub Al-Ansari RadiAllahu Anhu
Narrated by al-Haakim that Abu Ayyub al-Ansari (RadiAllahu anhu) placed his forehead on the grave of Prophet Mohammad (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam). Marwan Ibn al-Hakam (RadiAllahu anhu) saw him and held his neck. Abu Ayyub (RadiAllahu anhu) said I did not come to the Stone. I came to the Messenger of Allah (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam). I heard the Messenger of Allah (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam) say : Do not weep for Islam if the qualified people were in-charge, but weep for it, if it was under the charge of unqualified. (Al-Hakim related this Hadith inMustadrak and said it is Sahih. ad-Dhahabi (who is held in great respect by Salafis) agreed to his authentication.
It is in Hadith - Dawud ibn Salih (RadiAllahu anhu) said: "(The governor of Madina) Marwan ibn al-Hakam (RadiAllahu anhu) one day saw a man placing his face on top of the grave of the Prophet**(SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam). He said: “Do you know what you are doing?” When he came near him, he realized it was Abu Ayyub al-Ansari (RadiAllahu anhu) The latter ( Abu Ayyub al-Ansari -(RadiAllahu anhu)** said: “Yes; I came to the Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam), not to a stone.”
The above Hadith is mentioned in (i) Ibn Hibban in his Sahih,(ii) Ahmad (5:422), (iii) Al-Tabarani in his Mu’jam al-Kabir (4:189) and his Awsat (iv) According to Haythami in al-Zawa’id (5:245 and 5:441 #5845](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=5845) Book of Hajj, “Section on the honoring of the dwellers of Madina, chapter on placing one’s face against the grave of our Master the Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam)” and #9252](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=9252) Book of Khilafa, “Chapter on the leadership of those unworthy of it”), (v) al-Haakim in his Mustadrak (4:515); (vi) ad-Dhahabi said it was Sahih, (vii) as-Subki in Shifa’ al-Siqam (p. 126) and…
Mu’adh Ibn Jabal and Bilal May Allah be pleased with them:
It is in Hadith - Narrated by Ibn Majah, Ahmad, at-Tabarani, as-Subki and Ibn Asakir that : Mu`adh Ibn Jabal (RadiAllahu anhu) and Bilal (RadiAllahu anhu) came to the Grave of the Prophet (SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam) and sat weeping and Bilal (RadiAllahu anhu) rubbed his face against the Grave of Prophet ****(SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam). (Ibn Majah 2:1320, Ahmad, al-Tabarani, al-Subki, and Ibn Asakir).
As for general touching and kissing, Imam Malik and Imam Ali May Allah be pleased with them:
Yahya (RadiAllahu anhu) related from Imam Maalik (RadiAllahu anhu) that he heard that AIi Ibn Abi Talib (RadiAllahu anhu) used to rest his head on Graves and lie on them [meaning holding the grave with his stretched hands while his head, entire face and chest is rested on the Grave]. Maalik (RadiAllahu anhu) said, “As far as we can see, it is only forbidden to sit on the Graves to relieve oneself.” (Muatta’ Imâm Malik - Book #16](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=16) , Hadith #16](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=16) .11.34)
^its a full Hug
Like I said earlier, its always been the way of the believers to do things like this, but other Imams have urged caution, and to keep distance in the interest of Adab
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Bro vroom, from where you copied these hadith?
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do you doubt them?
Visiting and Kissing of Awliya Allah Graves - CIF INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION
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I can't say anything about hadith as I haven't read before. I thought maybe you will going to quote name of the book etc.
Will post comments after going through them.
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Peace brother lethal kamikaze
It brings me to the point I made earlier. What people do is less my concern, but rather the fact that people feel it is right to judge others and condemn them based purely on action rather than finding out what they believe.
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Peace brother Psyah,
I read your comment posted earlier as well this one and i don't differ with you. I'm just trying to learn let's say about differences. Like for example if we were given two options that 'A' is correct and 'B' is wrong, make a choice to chose any one of these two, before I make my choice of selecting 'A' being labeled as correct and leave 'B' for being labeled as wrong, I prefer to look/study/do some researches on both that why 'A' labeled as correct and why 'B' labeled as wrong.