WHAT would you let them know otherwise?

the price of equal rights and inclusive citizenship? who knew it would cost dignity and a constant fight for one’s right to be a respected and protected citizen?

how to deal with this mind set of perpetuated letting down of people from a given faith?

Group Asks Court To Clear Names Of Two Organizations Unconstitutionally Labeled ‘Unindicted Co-Conspirators’

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DALLAS - The American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of Texas filed a legal challenge today to clear the names of two mainstream Muslim organizations labeled by the government as “unindicted co-conspirators” in its criminal case against the Holy Land Foundation (HLF). Government attorneys publicly identified the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and the North American Islamic Trust (NAIT) as co-conspirators before the HLF trial, even though neither organization was the subject of a criminal investigation or charged with any crimes.

“By publicly b*****ng these groups as criminals without providing a forum for them to defend themselves or clear their names, the government has acted with blatant disregard for their constitutional rights,” said Hina Shamsi, staff attorney with the ACLU National Security Project. “The government’s action is especially shameful because the charge it makes is so inflammatory - it has caused each organization’s reputation and good name to be dragged through the mud. The government has a constitutional obligation to correct the record and clear the names of ISNA and NAIT.”

In a pre-trial brief in the HLF case - which ended in a mistrial last fall and is scheduled for a retrial in September - government lawyers broke with Department of Justice policy and settled law when they publicly labeled ISNA and NAIT as unindicted co-conspirators in a prosecution alleging that the Holy Land Foundation, a Muslim charity, provided material support for Hamas. The government conceded, however, that it had absolutely no evidence proving that either ISNA or NAIT had engaged in a criminal conspiracy. The lead prosecutor in the case told lawyers for the two organizations “that ISNA and NAIT were not subjects or targets in the HLF prosecution or in any other pending investigation.” The prosecutor also acknowledged that the public labeling was simply a “legal tactic” intended to allow the government to introduce hearsay evidence against HLF later at trial.

Both ISNA and NAIT are mainstream charitable organizations that provide valuable services to the Muslim community and beyond. ISNA supports American Muslim communities, develops educational, social and outreach programs and fosters good relations with other religious communities as well as civic and service organizations. NAIT holds in trust titles to mosques, Islamic centers, schools and other real estate belonging to Muslim communities across the U.S., enabling these communities to safeguard and pool their assets in accordance with U.S. law and Islamic principles.

“ISNA’s goal is to promote the participation of American Muslims in this country’s civil and political life, and in interfaith dialogue,” said Ingrid Mattson, President of ISNA. “Our efforts have been severely undermined by a government-imposed stigma and the inflammatory misrepresentation of ISNA in the public sphere. Until now, we’ve had no way to clear our names and we’re asking the court to set the record straight.”

In today’s motion, the ACLU is asking a federal court to declare the government’s public naming of ISNA and NAIT as unindicted co-conspirators a violation of the Fifth Amendment; to order the expunging of the organizations’ names from any public record that identifies these groups as unindicted co-conspirators; and to block the government from labeling ISNA and NAIT this way in the future without specific permission from the court.

“The violation of the rights of these groups implicates both their reputations as well as core constitutional principles like the Fifth Amendment’s presumption of innocence,” said Lisa Graybill, Legal Director of the ACLU of Texas. “The law is clear - the harm ISNA and NAIT have suffered must be remedied.”

Attorneys on the case are Shamsi, Danielle Tully and Jameel Jaffer of the ACLU National Security Project, Lisa Graybill of the ACLU of Texas and David Broiles of the law firm Cagle and Broiles.

A copy of today’s motion is available at: www.aclu.org/safefree/discrim/35699lgl20080618.html

More information on this case is available at: www.aclu.org/safefree/discrim/35660res20080618.html

Re: WHAT would you let them know otherwise?

wooooooooooooo this so long, too much for general hon..give me a summary though, sounds interesting


what is your vision and how do you see it can be handled?

Re: WHAT would you let them know otherwise?

nevermind, i saw ISNA in it, and read the whole thing. This is absurd, but sadly im not surprised....what can we do to help?

Re: WHAT would you let them know otherwise?

i would just do what i can and that i will. & perhaps, i will have to be in news too. that is how disappointed how i am at this bigoted govt and its ploys.

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what govn isnt corrupt mate? imagine if this was pakistan, all the goras wud have been hung by now. Africans are the best, if they had supreme power, the world wud be a better place. i truly mean that

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ISNA gets in hot water due to Mr Muzzamil Siddiqui, who was a loud mouth dramay baaz making inflammatory rhetoric before anyone cared much and no one was on the radar. Even us muslims tolerated loud mouths like him even in our masajid.

This guy needed to leave ISNA when it was evident that he was drawing all kinds of attention to his lameness and by association ISNA.

So my advise..dont be silent, if there are lame ppl in your mosque boards, lame imams, lame ppl stuck to organizations like parasites, force them out.

speak up for the organizations and the good that they are doing, and at the same time, make sure that we dont have ppl like Muzzamil Siddiqui in leadership positions

right..what happened to non blacks in uganda and then Nigeria is a good example of that.
and what is going on in south africa right now also proves that point.

oh yeahh....forgot bout those....im sleepy, but those by the way are the consequences of extreme proverty and abuse. ur forgetting Egypt my friend, the greatest empire, and soooooooooo long ago

poverty and abuse do not justify forcing ppl from their homes, burning their stuff, taking over their businesses and property.

we also have teh example of Liberia..

if we are going to dig up old history then why not other empires as well. and its not that everythign was hinky dory in those empires as well. they did enslave ppl from conquered nations..whether it was egyptians or romans

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& the imams whose houses are raided, why? there is a need for search warrants, there has to be an impunity against slander and labile, no?

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it doesnt justify it, but it sure does explain alot....America is a superpower, its ppl need little compared to there, but there are plenty of savages still here, evenafter all of theri education, most of middle america, is a unmasked kkk waiting to be unleashed. I know there are alot of good americans to, however point is, obviously there is gonna be hell to pay down there, they r human to. But they dont eat humans when starving....unlike here

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I am all for civil liberties.
all I am saying is that we collectively need to continue to keep ppl accountable.
we did nto do it for the longest time and it got us in trouble.

we have to do both, otherwise dodgy characters get the benefit of civil liberties as well as our efforts to maintain civil liberties.

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so i dont get it, are u for protecting ISNA's rights, or not?

we can agree to disagree. You made a point of Africans would be teh best at governing. I have not gotten into the severe lapses in leadership in that region, but specifically showed you the treatment of minorities whether it was uganda then or sudan nwo, which in my view puts a dent in the theiry that african nations for some reason would be best to lead the world

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but fraudia bhai, isnt this lame that is being openly said like this against a whole org?

how many times, you and i will typify other people's faith based organizations, like this?

well let me spell it out then..

I am for protecting ISNA from outside persecution
AND
I am for protecting ISNA from inside weak links and megalomaniacs who are like termites to the foundation of these groups

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i wud gladly agree to disagree, thats just my opinion, not my thesis....but do remember when considering ur "leadership lapses"....Africa is a nation with plenty of earth's riches, hences the nation has been raped of everything, it treasures, its ppl, its education, its rights, its innocene, and its heritage.. and u know the wrath of an angry women...let alone a raped one....yet those ppl still have hope and love....other rulers have destroyed that place, its not neccessarily the rulel of Africa down there

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OMG fraudia.....that explains it all....this all seemed so familiar

You or I will not, but others will.
there are ppl who are enlightened and will not engage in such stuff
then there are ppl who are bigots and nothing u can say or show will make em be reasonable
and then there are ppl who are on the fence who dont know better, and they have to be educated, and their questions answered, and if one of the question is why is someone like muzzamil siddiqui on the board, or why is there some loud mouths who use ISNA conventions for their own agendas and engage in discussions that have no place per ISNA vision.

I have known lame talk at ISNA events..mind it, not official sessions, but talks on the side by weirdos using the facility and people around, dont believe my word? google it and read transcripts.

so what is the right thing to do? ISNA should know this, I know they know it, I have told them myself. So if they know its happening they need to do a few things

1) Ban any speaker from future events who engages in rhetoric that is not in line with ISNA vision and mission
2) Anytime some one has this side session, habve security toss them on their arse outside publically

similarly they need to be careful in who they deal with, who they associate with. perception is important and it has to be guarded. and more than perception the type of things I noted are simply not cool.

As I said, I am all for standing up for ISNA. I think its a good group and does good work. If we are going to come to ISNAs defence then we also need to hold iSNA accountable and make sure that they are more careful in these matters