What would be the Islamic approach to this??

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Preaching righteous things is made obligatory on every muslim as ayaah 110 of surah aal-e-Imran is one of the examples in this regard.. However, this is a task which requires lots of patience and one should expect negative remarks from the opponent. Anyone, who’s not willing to listen or understand may try to degrade the preacher.. This is the reason, doing dawah requires special understading of such sitautions and a person must keep in mind the first 13 years of the life of Rasoolulah:saw: in makkah al mukarramma in which he:saw: faced the worst ever opposition that any one of us will never face for sure.

i want to know what should be the answer and approach (Islamically speaking, NOT PERSONAL VIEWS) to this when we get to hear chrisitianic-affected ignorant replies, not from any non-mulim, but worst comes worst from Muslims themselves, like this:

It is good for you if you are so religious. others might not be. So keep your religion to yourself from now on.

Thanks in anticipation :slight_smile:

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Its a talent few have and even fewer acquire. Its how one comes across with a dawah.

I don't think you have fulfilled your criteria, most would say the same. Sure, you may try to portray yourself as very religious but when you stoop to your opponents level. What little dignity you had left as a preacher is now gone. Rather your preaching, it comes across as very condescending and defensive. It could be from insecurities, I'm not sure, I'm no psychologist. What I've noticed, as soon as there is a breach, out pop the hadiths and ayah's and calling the other wrong and implying yourself as righteous even if thats not the intention.

I don't think the Prophet did that blantanly how you do it. It needs work. A lot of it. You need to be patient and understanding. The preaching role is not for everyone. Keep in mind when one preaches, I know we're not all perfect but us as humans tend to remember the past present and future of one another which plays a big role in how revered the preaching is, look at the Prophet's example and learn from him or better yet if you can't do that. How about follow some scholar as their student.

Personally, I'm trying to do that and dialogue is the key to it. We have a learned scholar here from egypt. Now his technique of conveying messages is very effective to people of all walks of life and religions. He relates to us instead of casting us to wrongful even if we do make mistakes.

For those not willing to understand or listen, you can't force what you have to offer. Neither should you cast them aside. Prophet's example was to gain everyones trust. Have you? IMHO, you're not even close.

Remember that this reply is not a stab at you but a response to what you asked for and your methods.

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*Its a talent few have and even fewer acquire. Its how one comes across with a dawah. *

agreed.

**I don't think you have fulfilled your criteria, most would say the same.

Sure, you may try to portray yourself as very religious but when you stoop to your opponents level.**

are you talking to only me when you say 'you':)? what did I do? Did I ask you something not to do? What level did u go to that u think i was stooping to?

What little dignity you had left as a preacher is now gone. Rather your preaching, it comes across as very condescending and defensive. It could be from insecurities, I'm not sure, I'm no psychologist.

not only you or me be not psychologist, but what's in heart is not known either... intention is the key.. filthy words don't need approval of intention.. they are bad in any context.. right?

What I've noticed, as soon as there is a breach, out pop the hadiths and ayah's and calling the other wrong and implying yourself as righteous even if thats not the intention.

believe you me it should not be an intention. And as for hadith and ayaah, that's the weapon of a preacher to convince others yet not enforce... however, when it is understood by both sides that something is wrong, then what should be the problem? I would love to hear from you brother.

I don't think the Prophet did that blantanly how you do it.

again, is it for me? what did I do? :-D i will love to hear what I was asking?

It needs work. A lot of it. You need to be patient and understanding.

should it not be the two way?

The preaching role is not for everyone.

but prescribed to everyone.

** Keep in mind when one preaches, I know we're not all perfect but us as humans tend to remember the past present and future of one another which plays a big role in how revered the preaching is, look at the Prophet's example and learn from him or better yet if you can't do that. **

Remember the life of Sahaabaa before coming to Islam?

** How about follow some scholar as their student. **

How about if you dunno already about it if I am a student or not :-)

Personally, I'm trying to do that and dialogue is the key to it. We have a learned scholar here from egypt. Now his technique of conveying messages is very effective to people of all walks of life and religions. He relates to us instead of casting us to wrongful even if we do make mistakes.

share more examples for benefit for all of us... Jazak ALLAH.

*For those not willing to understand or listen, you can't force what you have to offer. Neither should you cast them aside. Prophet's example was to gain everyones trust. Have you? IMHO, you're not even close. *

and IMHO, no one can reach to that place either.. :-)

Remember that this reply is not a stab at you but a response to what you asked for and your methods.

stab for what? I am confused... what did u do that I was asking not to that you got irritated and said this to me... I am still figuring it out :-)

PS: I said Islamic approach from references.. not personal opinion cuz u are also human and may be wrong too.... right?

Edit: you did not answer my question... let me rephrase:

anyone who is not willing to hear to begin with will anyway tell you to keep your religion with yourself... What should we say or how should we deal with it...

Be consistent.. and answer it accordingly... please do not derail into anyother direction.. If u want to discuss the other issues, open a new thread..

Thanks :-)

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Yes I am talking about you and to you.

At this point I'm not about to tell you what you did or didn't do. Its pretty plain as day and you obviously know what we are discussing here.

Filthy words don't need apporval of intention, great, I agree on that and have mentioned before.

Weapon of a preacher? Preachers don't fight, they preach and console, counsel and help. The last resort is fighting but you are no where near and you've already lost it. No wonder your methods aren't as effective proven time and time again.

Yes, its both ways but you have brought this attention onto yourself and I'm recommending (keyword here), not telling but recommending that you try to curb what you preach and try to cater to the audience in such a manner that it appeals only to them. Not everyone likes the same kind of anecdotes that you serve.

Stab at you meaning its not a personal insult, its a recommendation. There is a difference between irritation and dialogue. You've read me entirely wrong.

You wanted to talk, so we're talking Islamically dialogue methods of preaching in accordance with references.

EDIT ME: Ok, how would I deal with it personally? Leave them be, live by example. Thats how.

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Coco yaar, be on topic:) …

ghusaa is haraam :flower1:

again I know what u are saying.. but are u saying u did not use any word?

haaN..:slight_smile: I want to know your take on Rasoolulah:saw: life in Makkah.. what makes some method to be effective?? do u agree if his:saw: method were effective?? what will be your criterion to judge that again?:slight_smile:

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i would love to read the specific aayaat from quran if you would wanna share.. May ALLAh give you aj’r for that… any relevent hadith will be a big plus if you know any or can collect any for me :flower1:

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Re: What would be the Islamic approach to this??

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*Originally posted by Anwaar Qureshi: *

It is good for you if you are so religious. others might not be. So keep your religion to yourself from now on.

Thanks in anticipation :)
[/QUOTE]

Wama Aleyna Illal balaghul Mubeen!

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Re: Re: What would be the Islamic approach to this??

:slight_smile:

Thank you… it means… “And my duty is to convey the message clearly”

That was the prescription to the all the prophet:as: too..

once the clear message has been given and yet the situation is “Quloobona Ghuulf” then the two references from Quran are gem in it of themselves:

:bism:

199 **Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; But turn away from the ignorant. **

– Al-A’raf (The Heights) [7]

and

:bism:
6 **To you be your Way, and to me mine. **

— Al-Kafirun (The Disbelievers) [109]

can any one also post the correct reference of the hadith about if u see some thing wrong, STOP IT WITH YOUR HAND with FORCE, If u can’t do that, say it is wrong with your tongue.. and if u can’t do that either atleast think it is wrong and that is the weakest of the imaan

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^beshuk!

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I am on topic. If you continue to attack statements as such, its only fair that it will be reciprocated.

Yet again, your interpretation is a bit off. I am not mad at all.

I did use a word and will use words, I did mention I am human and I did illude to the fact that we are all humans and err. How much more blatant would you want it to be? Its not about pointing fingers, its about helping each other.

You are giving dawah and now I am giving you a dawah on how to improve your methods in accordance to teach those misguided so that they can earn your trust and convey your message clearly which is not crystal. If you are to perform this very duty then why not bring them closer first as the Prophet did. You can’t expect to catch fish without a line. In other words, you can’t preach to those whom you can’t relate to in some form.

I can certainly give you event(s) in Islamic history as I am not learned to bring Ayah’s or Hadiths up on whim. How about the time when Muhammad (pbuh) knew when this lady dumped garbage on him daily but he persevered and prayed for her rather than taking action against her offensively. There are numerous preachers to date that carry Muhammad’s (pbuh) theology but the way it is now a days is too aggressive. And that needs to change.

Oh yeah I’m not judging his methods as they were divinely guided, its your criteria that I’m worried about which I think you should drop and adopt his methods as he was the best of all creatures and humans included.

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I am on topic. If you continue to attack statements as such, its only fair that it will be reciprocated.

got me wrong :slight_smile: i did not attack .. i was trying to find by asking a question :slight_smile:

Yet again, your interpretation is a bit off. I am not mad at all.

My apology

**I did use a word and will use words, I did mention I am human and I did illude to the fact that we are all humans and err. How much more blatant would you want it to be? Its not about pointing fingers, its about helping each other. **

and i was trying to help but everyone got angry.. right:)?

You are giving dawah and now I am giving you a dawah on how to improve your methods in accordance to teach those misguided so that they can earn your trust and convey your message clearly which is not crystal. If you are to perform this very duty then why not bring them closer first as the Prophet did. You can’t expect to catch fish without a line. In other words, you can’t preach to those whom you can’t relate to in some form.

Jazak ALLAH… but it started from no where when i was not even talking to some particular person rather the authorities… people should keep up silent when there is a discussion between two, one being the one who can take some action… right?

I can certainly give you event(s) in Islamic history as I am not learned to bring Ayah’s or Hadiths up on whim. How about the time when Muhammad (pbuh) knew when this lady dumped garbage on him daily but he persevered and prayed for her rather than taking action against her offensively.

Duaa can be given in heart.. and I always add a string “May ALLAH guid us ALL” .. right? can that be counted as dua?

**There are numerous preachers to date that carry Muhammad’s (pbuh) theology but the way it is now a days is too aggressive. And that needs to change. **

Any suggestion in that regard?

**Oh yeah I’m not judging his methods as they were divinely guided, its your criteria that I’m worried about which I think you should drop and adopt his methods as he was the best of all creatures and humans included. **

agreed.. but then why in makki life, there were very few of his:saw: followers?? I will appreciate your understanding about it so that i may learn something too…

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Thats exactly my point dude. You may have not attacked but your approach is off. Trying to help by pointing fingers isn't necessarily the way to go. Its all in the approach. People should keep silent and I agree. Look at what the Prophet did, he moved from Mecca to Medina since he didn't like his surroundings. Maybe thats whats needed to better ourselves. I don't know for sure.

Dua's can be given from the heart but what is the use when the words aren't the same as the actions.

Suggestion is to curb what you are doing, there is a time and moment for everything. Somethings we have to let by regardless of us liking it or not. Your intention is on the right path but its aggressive. Everyone listens to a soft spoken person. I'm sure you can think of atleast one person who speaks properly who use to be moderating religion forum.

In his makki life there were a few of his followers because few were willing to comprehend and understand what he was conveying. At that age it was a different kind of jahalat as opposed to now. Thats why it was harder for him.

For us Alhamdullilah we have the knowledge at our hands but its wisdom, approach and technique we lack. Khair, I'm hungry, I'll pick this up later to the best of my knowledge if there is more to it.

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Thats exactly my point dude. You may have not attacked but your approach is off. Trying to help by pointing fingers isn’t necessarily the way to go. Its all in the approach. People should keep silent and I agree. Look at what the Prophet did, he moved from Mecca to Medina since he didn’t like his surroundings. Maybe thats whats needed to better ourselves. I don’t know for sure.

that’s why i came in religion :slight_smile:

Dua’s can be given from the heart but what is the use when the words aren’t the same as the actions.

what action? Those were all words my freind :smiley: I and you can only wrire here, can’t fight :-p

**Suggestion is to curb what you are doing, there is a time and moment for everything. Somethings we have to let by regardless of us liking it or not. Your intention is on the right path but its aggressive. **

it may be aggressive and i will try to work on it.. Thank you.

Everyone listens to a soft spoken person. I’m sure you can think of atleast one person who speaks properly who use to be moderating religion forum.

I admire the way Nadia_H posts here :slight_smile:

In his makki life there were a few of his followers because few were willing to comprehend and understand what he was conveying. At that age it was a different kind of jahalat as opposed to now. Thats why it was harder for him.

exactly, no matter what type of ignorance is there, it always comes down to few or more who wont be willing to comprehend and understand what is being conveyed… It has to do with “ikhlaas-e-niyat” to learn… If someone does not wanna learn to begin with, it’s useless… just like it was useless for Abu Jahal or Abu Laheb

For us Alhamdullilah we have the knowledge at our hands but its wisdom, approach and technique we lack.

and in order to acheive and understand those things i asked a question, and u started taunting and picking :~)

** Khair, I’m hungry, I’ll pick this up later to the best of my knowledge if there is more to it. **

enjoy:wave:

PS: my question is still unanswered: what if your approach is right, you have wisdom and your techinique is correct and then you hear the same from people, what should one do???

I am still waiting :flower1:

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You didn't come to religion, you were lead here, a path was presented to you when trying to start your own Daily hadiths. Not that I'm saying it was bad to do so but it wasn't the right place. See whats wrong here, its the approach.

What action? C'mon man. Don't tell me that you have to think about what action has been taken so far by you, for you and against you.

How can you possibly say that someone doesn't want to learn to begin with? Try coming at them from another angle. Abu Jahal or Abu lahab weren't given up on. There's always hope for the righteous. Thats if its executed with a proper plan and approach.

As for your last question, what did the Prophet do when he couldn't convince them? He let them live in peace until the Almighty decrees His judgement unto them.

Remember that incident regarding the Kingdom of Sodom (I think). Allah had told that Prophet to leave and they were judged in this world by two mountains collapsing. That Prophet left them in peace too. He did not harm them. Allah is was and always will be the supreme court judge.

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You didn’t come to religion, you were lead here, a path was presented to you when trying to start your own Daily hadiths. Not that I’m saying it was bad to do so but it wasn’t the right place. See whats wrong here, its the approach.

yes… keep your deen restricted… reminds me of the ayaah where it is said: “so you take part of the book (which you like) and reject the rest”?

What action? C’mon man. Don’t tell me that you have to think about what action has been taken so far by you, for you and against you.

yes.. u can see the actions… the pathetic actions traken against :slight_smile: and u know what are they… right?

How can you possibly say that someone doesn’t want to learn to begin with?

I did not say that .. U judged me wrong..

** Try coming at them from another angle. **

and i guess i did :~) here we are talking .. right…???

Abu Jahal or Abu lahab weren’t given up on. There’s always hope for the righteous. Thats if its executed with a proper plan and approach.

But they did not accepted the truth…

As for your last question, what did the Prophet do when he couldn’t convince them? He let them live in peace until the Almighty decrees His judgement unto them.

that’s the last resort after everything was explained…

**Remember that incident regarding the Kingdom of Sodom (I think). Allah had told that Prophet to leave and they were judged in this world by two mountains collapsing. That Prophet left them in peace too. He did not harm them. Allah is was and always will be the supreme court judge. **

again as i said, it was the last thing to do…

Now back to topic:)

please answer my original question i am trying to find the answer…

much appreciated :flower1:

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Anwaar,

If we read about our Prophet Muhammed :saw:'s biography then we know that he developed good relationship with all types of people. So I guess we need to first develop a “good” relationship with someone to give them a dawah and be patient with him/her. It’s like explaining a concept of God to a child. It’s not that easy to preach religion to a person who isn’t open to discuss a religious topic or understand it completely.

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here are a few hadiths I wanna share...

**

Volume 1, Book 3, Number 69:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, *"Facilitate things to people (concerning religious matters), and do not make it hard for them and give them good tidings and do not make them run away (from Islam).*"

Volume 1, Book 3, Number 70:

Narrated Abu Wail:

'Abdullah used to give a religious talk to the people on every Thursday. Once a man said, "O Aba 'Abdur-Rahman! (By Allah) I wish if you could preach us daily." He replied, *"The only thing which prevents me from doing so, is that I hate to bore you, and no doubt I take care of you in preaching by selecting a suitable time just as the Prophet used to do with us, for fear of making us bored." *

Volume 1, Book 3, Number 68:

Narrated Ibn Mas'ud:

*The Prophet used to take care of us in preaching by selecting a suitable time, so that we might not get bored. (He abstained from pestering us with sermons and knowledge all the time). ***
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That were very accurate replies CA …

Thank you so much :flower1:

but i still wanna know that if even after doing all this, u get to hear those words that I asked the answer for, what should be our response to that?

really looking for the answer…

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Just pray for them as our Prophet:saw: would. :flower1:

Here’s something you’d like to read regarding tolerance of Muhammed:saw: ..

http://www.alrisala.org/Articles/prophet/tolerance.htm

:slight_smile:

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CA:) i will read it soon… thank you so much:flower1:

btw: is this the site for “Ar-Risala” by Maulanaa Waheed-ud-Deen Khan

I have read so much of him and his one book especially.. and the monthly “AR-Risala”