Re: What will it take to defeat Australia?
Only India can defeat Australia.
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Your guess is as good as mine but if we start with sincerity and a sense of purpose today we might get somewhere in the next 4 or 5 years
Also a favourable dressing room atmosphere free of politics, egos and internal bickering helps a team’s cause no end
And I totally agree with Shoaib Akhter (yes he’s no angel himself) here (in an oblique and apparent reference to Inzi),
http://www.cricketworldcuplatest.com/news/controversial-fast-bowler-shoaib-akhtar-wants-chan-111960.html
**“When you have a captain who has an ego problem or is jealous of performances of other players then you have a major problem in the team. I think there is a need to change our dressing room culture,” he said. **
Re: What will it take to defeat Australia?
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**Aussies can be beaten. Need a team with 80-90% of the same level of batting and 120% and above bowling as compared to aussie attack. Fielding being a basic requirement. Aussies will be beaten.
*Yes they surely can be defeated by the law of averages, only joking :D *
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What I meant was that if we look at history, even Aussies lost to NZ and ENG right before the WC.
One can say it was because of missing the leadership of Ponting. And that very well be a contributor. But they basically were short of a balanced bowling attack and Ponting's pivotal role in the middle order was missing as well.
Hence, a good batting line that can produce every time and a superior bowling attack should be the answer.
Those who aspire to beat Australia consistently, should be concentrating on the basics as well as team cohesion and fielding.
I think Aussies have the basics right down to the "dotted I* s and crossed T *s". They add flourishes to the basics by going above those during crunch time.
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^ Yes you're right there about Ponting's value to this Aussie side as a player and captain. They were probably quite exhausted after a long Ashes campaign and England nailed them just when they were a bit tired and perhaps not as focussed as before. Ponting's main focus had always been to regain the Ashes in a thumping and emphatic manner. And don't forget test matches are usu. won by the superior team while in ODIs the better team does not necessarily win. So it's all the more commendable that despite the chance and unpredictability factor of the limited over's format, the Aussies still win 82% of their one-day games. In NZ games the absence of three key players - Ponting, Gilchrist and McGrath - certainly upset their balance. Hussey's lacklustre captaincy may have also had something to do with it. I believe Michael Clarke will take over the captaincy from Ponting when he quits the game.
Re: What will it take to defeat Australia?
i think the end of the aussies is nigh. remember how india drew a 1-1 series with the aussies in australia when mcgrath and warne were mising.l these 2 are once in a lifetime bowlers, and the aussies will now have to do without them. yes, lee is good, but he is no mcgrath. yes in terms of batting, the aussies do look as strong as ever, and even thier reserves are strong. (phil jacques, cameron white, brad haddin, simon katich, cosgrove et al.)
Re: What will it take to defeat Australia?
Australia already looking for new talent to replace their current stars.
Thats why they are world champions, they plan for the future waay ahead and not like Pakistan where the same players play for 10 years and after they retire, there is no young talent to replace them with.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070501/wl_sthasia_afp/cricketaus;_ylt=Auqvl2amPhYQDdkGGMS96iNvaA8F
SYDNEY (AFP) - Fresh from a record third World Cup victory, Australia’s cricket authorities Tuesday turned their attention to replacing several retiring stars with young talent.
Four spinners aiming for the key spot left vacant by Shane Warne’s retirement from the Australian Test team were named in Cricket Australia’s list of 25 contracted players for the 2007-08 season.
They are World Cup star Brad Hogg, youngster Dan Cullen, veteran Stuart MacGill and 22-year-old Cullen Bailey, who has claimed 54 wickets in 17 first-class matches at an average of 41.51.
Bailey was one of six new names on the list. The others are batsmen Chris Rogers and Adam Voges, swing bowler Ben Hilfenhaus and all-rounders James Hopes and Cameron White.
Glenn McGrath, Warne, Damien Martyn and Justin Langer retired, while seamer Michael Kasprowicz and batsman Simon Katich were cut from the list.
Chief selector Andrew Hilditch said Australia faced a great challenge in the wake of the retirements.
“This list of players still represents a very experienced group but also includes some exciting young talent that will ensure our reign as champions in both Test and one-day cricket can continue,” he said.
"The retirement of Shane Warne is a significant issue for Australian cricket.
"While he is obviously irreplaceable, we are pleased that we have experienced spinners in Stuart MacGill, who has a great Test record, and Brad Hogg, who has just finished a highly successful World Cup.
“We will also look to Cullen Bailey and Dan Cullen to continue with their exciting development and realise their potential.”
The retirement of veteran paceman McGrath also left “a huge hole”, he said, but the new squad had exciting fast-bowling talent in Shaun Tait, Mitchell Johnson and Ben Hilfenhaus, who has joined the list for the first time.
"While it is still going to be a challenging time for Australian cricket, we consider it to be a very exciting one and are really confident that the group we have picked can help us to continue our dominance of world cricket.
"I don’t want to underestimate the impact of (retirements of) the big players, I mean they have just been such great players, they will be a huge loss. It will be harder to win Test matches without them, that is just reality.
“But we have been planning – it had to happen at some stage and we hope we have got the planning right.”
The full list of contracted players for 2007-08: Cullen Bailey, Nathan Bracken, Stuart Clark, Michael Clarke, Daniel Cullen, Adam Gilchrist, Jason Gillespie, Brad Haddin, Matthew Hayden, Ben Hilfenhaus, Brad Hodge, Brad Hogg, James Hopes, Michael Hussey, Phil Jaques, Mitchell Johnson, Brett Lee, Stuart MacGill, Ricky Ponting, Chris Rogers, Andrew Symonds, Shaun Tait, Adam Voges, Shane Watson, Cameron White.
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So no breathing space for other teams for another 12-15 months atleast
http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200705/s1910685.htm
Senior players going nowhere: Hayden
Matthew Hayden has dismissed talk about further retirements from an Australian side still basking in World Cup success.
Hayden arrived in Brisbane this morning ahead of his team-mates, to join his wife who is due to give birth to their third child this week.
Glenn McGrath has quit international cricket altogether while there has been speculation surrounding the future of wicket-keeper Adam Gilchrist.
But Hayden says none of the current side has any plans to end their one-day careers.
“I think this side wants to stay together for a little bit longer,” he said.
“We’ve got a job to do within Australian cricket, just to try and set it up for the next stage, so I don’t think you’ll see too many retirements over the next 12 months anyway.”
Australia was unbeaten in the Carribean and Hayden says the team, due to return Thursday, could not have played any better.
“I think every thing this side worked for and put its mind to it really achieved throughout the year, and obviously had times where it had its critics, but i just think it’s an incredible cricket team.”
“It’s phenomenal to be a part of it, and this last two months has just demonstrated just how powerful a unit it is.”
Re: What will it take to defeat Australia?
There isnt a bowling attack in the test game capable of sustaining at attack on them. If there was, it'd be a contest. In the hit-and-giggle stuff, they are so well rounded and intense that shock results aside, no one can overcome there power cricket with any degree of regularity.
Re: What will it take to defeat Australia?
One thing only; belief. Every cricket team in the world has enough talent to beat them right now (at least in ODI's), but these teams succumb to them even before the match has started. Sad, but true.
Re: What will it take to defeat Australia?
One thing only; belief. Every cricket team in the world has enough talent to beat them right now (at least in ODI's), but these teams succumb to them even before the match has started. Sad, but true.
That's so true. It's the hype that has created fear and doubt in other teams' minds and they panic playing against Australia. I have seen Australia suffering from batting collapses, I have seen them making fielding blunders (they dropped a total of 11 catches in slips in 3 test matcheson Pakistan's last tour), and I have seen them failing to score in excess of 400. However, the hype that was initiated by the Indian media in early 2000s has played a great role in the ascent of their reputation, which REINFORCED the self belief among the Australians and created intimidation among the rest.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the Australian team is hyped up and is not good. They are extremely good. But their invincibility has been being hyped up for the past few years and other teams have lost the mental strength to play to their potential against Australia.
It will take a team of younger players who have nothing to lose to make a dent in Australia's stature now. The Gangulys, Tendulkars, Yousufs, Flintoffs have become too insecure and cautious against Australia to make a difference. The established players now contrive their game against Australia to how they think it should be, as opposed to playing their natural game. Younger players however, have no such hang ups and are more like to break the 'reinforcing' trend.
Re: What will it take to defeat Australia?
You can beat Australia by playing sensible aggressive cricket, the problem is most of the teams, playing against Australia, accepted their defeats even before the game starts. I think its more of a mental barrier.
And as Imran Khan also said " Dil Bada Kurro" :):):)
Re: What will it take to defeat Australia?
Although we always need to look ahead, let me remind all the naysayers here that Australia has been recently defeated... in the CB Series by England - that's still more than a year back, but still they were pretty much the same caliber back then.
Re: What will it take to defeat Australia?
What will it take for countries like Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, etc... to defeat them?
Shoaib Akhter + 10 players playing as a team can beat them anywhere, any time.
I mean how long will this go on ?
Time to Shoaib Akhter's fitness + time to build a team around him
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Shoaib Akhter + 10 players playing as a team can beat them anywhere, any time.
Time to Shoaib Akhter's fitness + time to build a team around him
By the time Akhtar regains full fitness, most of the current players will have retired!
Re: What will it take to defeat Australia?
It will take A new improved Pakistan's team to beat Australia in the next world cup Inshallah :D
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^^ the next world cup, 2011, is probably the best time to de-thrown Australia.
The 2015 World Cup is being held in Australia which Australia will most definitely win
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Ponting in bullish mood
http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200705/s1913876.htm
‘Australia will dominate for years’ - Ponting
Australian captain Ricky Ponting believes his team will continue to dominate world cricket for years to come unless their opponents improve.
**Rival countries had been hoping Australia would lose their grip on world cricket with the retirements of Shane Warne, Glenn McGrath, Justin Langer and Damien Martyn. **
But those hopes look to have been dashed after an Australian team featuring the next generation of players hardly broke a sweat on the way to winning the World Cup for the third time in a row.
“The skills that were on display at that World Cup have probably never been seen before in international cricket and that should be something that we should be very proud of,” Ponting said.
Ponting said the recent exodus of senior players would not necessarily allow other countries to close the gap.
“I think if anything we have increased that margin between the teams through this tournament,” Ponting said.
Of the 15 Australians who played in the World Cup, only McGrath is quitting. The two openers Adam Gilchrist and Matthew Hayden both want to continue despite being in their 30s.
There is also no shortage of quality younger players coming through with Michael Clarke, Mike Hussey and Andrew Symonds already team regulars.
Australia’s long search for an all-rounder looks to have borne fruit in the form of Shane Watson, while the fast bowling stocks look as healthy as ever since the emergence of Stuart Clark, Shaun Tait, Nathan Bracken and Mitchell Johnson.
Australia’s biggest problem is finding a long-term replacement for spinner Warne, but Ponting said the future was still as bright as ever.
“I think we have just gone ahead and even widened that gap so it is up to the opposition countries to address that fact and look at what we are doing,” he said.
“And look at how they are playing their cricket and make sure next time they played against us, they can compete better against us.”
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Now Gilchrist joins in the fun
http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/293217.html?CMP=OTC-RSS
Batsmen beware - Lee and Tait may open
Shaun Tait and Brett Lee could form an intimidating new-ball partnership after Ricky Ponting said they could both fit into the same side. Lee’s ankle injury forced him out of the World Cup and allowed Tait the chance to come in and collect 23 wickets at 20.3.
The prospect of the pair working together excites Ponting. “You can absolutely have both those guys in the one team, and if you put a couple of other steadier guys around him you’d have a pretty awesome attack,” Ponting told The Australian. "Tait can do a great job for you with the new ball in Test cricket as well as one-day cricket, which is how we used him in the World Cup.
“He knocks batsmen over. If he gets that new ball swinging and he gets it right, there aren’t many batsmen in the world who are going to be able to keep him out.”
Tait said opening with Lee “would be awesome”. “If I can work towards that and Brett can come back stronger from his injury it would be a good thing for the country to watch, I reckon,” he said.
Ponting said Tait had taken over the team’s role as the “out and out strike bowler” in the World Cup. “Brett was that a few years ago, but I think he’s been able to change his whole game around and become economical.” He called Tait “Mr Unpredictable”. “You could bowl him for just two or three overs up front in Test cricket, too, and then bring on someone steady like Stuey Clark.”
Glenn McGrath, who celebrated his retirement during a public reception in Sydney on Thursday, agreed with Ponting. “‘Binga’ [Lee] might be classed as a pedal-to-the-metal type of bowler, but I think his control is pretty good,” McGrath said. “I think what makes Taity special is his uniqueness. As long as no-one tries to change that he should be fine.”
The squad has lost four long-term members over the past five months, with McGrath joining Shane Warne, Justin Langer and Damien Martyn in retirement, but Ponting expects his new-look team to keep the same standards. “I actually see it as one of the most exciting phases of my career,” Ponting said in the Sydney Morning Herald. “The most important thing is that the older guys in the team have to keep maintaining their high standards, and if we have to carry some of the younger guys through for a while, so be it.”
Adam Gilchrist said it would be a challenge to maintain the results. “But we’re too well set up,” he said. “We’ve got such a good infrastructure. We’re the world leaders big-time in that area alone, let alone every other area that we dominate the world in.”