I agree that many would not agree with me, but this is what I feel:
I do not think that if today Pakistan was under those self-serving spineless corrupts (NS and BB), anything would have happened to the people of Lal building. I believe that if they were ruling, people like Lal building would have kept becoming stronger and bolder day by day. Increase in poverty would have helped these people recruit more goats for their hooligan and Fitna. Time would have come when Ninja and Goat brigades would be making a mockery of Pakistan and would have brought in Taliban like society in Pakistan, where there would have been two option, either obey them or die.
People would have started doing what they like not for Allah but because of their fear. Media that are doing all to promote them, would have all closed down, as thee would have been no women on TV without Niqab, rather they would have issued fitwa that voice of women is also not allowed to be heard by na-mahram, means no women voice on TV or radio. All men would have got forced to keep beard and obviously, no TV allowed (TV that media these retards today use to spread their fitna).
I solute President that he showed enough courage to challenged them suckers and in process put his own life in danger. I also solute Pakistan forces that went along with their Commander (President) and did a job risking their life, so that Pakistan stay safe from evil mullahs that are spreading their wing all over Pakistan.
Thus, my vote goes to President. Rather, I would prefer that President declares Martial law in the country and postpone any political comeback for Pakistan until Pakistan becomes a tolerant society and achieve minimum economical target of around $10,000 per capita income and educational target of at least 90 percent adult that can read, write, and have minimum intellectual capability of a high school leaver (higher secondary certificate). I know that it is too much to ask, but I believe that if there would be martial law and serious commitment along with it, then this would not take more than 10 years (at most 15 years of dedicated leadership with commitment).
This development would not only eliminate fanaticism from Pakistan but it would also control disharmony amongst people living in different provinces and would make Pakistan a united country. Because, when development happens and people have opportunities they do not fight like dogs on fallen pieces of bread, but fight to over do others with their abilities. They compete with each other only individual basis, and make the country further stronger and prosperous.
I agree with you that Musharraf might be the only way out for the time being. Pakistan can be ruled through dictatorship only (which is not always a bad form of Govt.), and he has done OK so far except for this year. I think he made some mistakes. Lets pray for the solitude of Pakistan. Presidents and PM's come and go. Pakistan Zindabad
I agree that many would not agree with me, but this is what I feel:
I do not think that if today Pakistan was under those self-serving spineless corrupts (NS and BB), anything would have happened to the people of Lal building. I believe that if they were ruling, people like Lal building would have kept becoming stronger and bolder day by day.
You are forgetting 2 facts:
Musharraf is under lots of international pressure to tackle 'extremists', any other president/prime-minister would've been under same pressure and would've taken steps along those lines.... what would've been the outcome can be argued, however I can guarantee that if a civilian government had take such steps i.e. seige of masjid/operation that government would've been thrown out of the window by military.
Ghazi brothers were planted by none but military, sponsored and supported, flourished, even recently escorted by Zia's son (though as a civilian).
Disclaimer: By this I do not mean that NS/BB are angels.
we need stronger and better enfirced laws about the militant speeches by MMA types and militant khutbas given.
Militant khutbas will have minimal effect in a society where justice is freely/easily available, law is enforced and government is sincere with people as well as government listens to its people in regards to what they want for the society.
I guess for any strategy to work the tactical decisions should involve how to remove the hinderances to those strategies. What would get in the way of raising the literacy levels in Pakistan.
A few I can think of:
1 - Solely religious schools or madrassahs.
2 - Politicians who would loose their grip on their localities or tribes.
For proper law enforcement we need better equiped and privileged police.
1 - What do you expect from a police officer who makes Rs. 5000 per month?
2 - Better information access and records. We need electronic systems which are central and easily accessible to the law enforcement.
3 - Just like the writ of the government needs enforced so does the writ of the law enforcement people. No one is above the law and sifaarish needs to stop. A police officer cannot arrest or ticket anyone with a little sifaarish or source.
4 - The police force needs educated people not Aaathvin pass underachievers.
5 - They need sophisticated communication equipment acompanied with ER lines such as 911 in USA. I don't if this already exists.
I agree with Captain1. You cannot take away freedom of speech, be it MMA or MQM or anyone. You should find a way to minimise the effect. Let us hope for the best.
Ghazi brothers were planted by none but military, sponsored and supported, flourished, even recently escorted by Zia's son (though as a civilian).
Our government and intelligence is used to breeding religious rats and terminating them when the experiment is over. Religious sentiment has always been the most cataclysmic tool to unite our fragmented nation when the intelligence or government requires it.
Thus, my vote goes to President. Rather, I would prefer that President declares Martial law in the country and postpone any political comeback for Pakistan until Pakistan becomes a tolerant society and achieve minimum economical target of around $10,000 per capita income and educational target of at least 90 percent adult that can read, write, and have minimum intellectual capability of a high school leaver (higher secondary certificate). I know that it is too much to ask, but I believe that if there would be martial law and serious commitment along with it, then this would not take more than 10 years (at most 15 years of dedicated leadership with commitment).
You know, money is not everything, economy achieving $30,000 per capita would be nothing if we still don't have law enforced, if we still have corrupt elements thriving at all levels, no sense of accountability within army (+ISI) ranks. Even if we achieve 90% literacy there will be no guarantee of democracy to work properly afterwards as there would be no sense of what it really means and how it supposed to work.
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This development would not only eliminate fanaticism from Pakistan but it would also control disharmony amongst people living in different provinces and would make Pakistan a united country. Because, when development happens and people have opportunities they do not fight like dogs on fallen pieces of bread, but fight to over do others with their abilities. They compete with each other only individual basis, and make the country further stronger and prosperous.
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It might help in 'religious' fanaticism, but not political fanaticism. Every tom dick and harry has guns and knows no one can capture him for his crimes and/or will be release after few hours of his capture
Our government and intelligence is used to breeding religious rats and terminating them when the experiment is over. Religious sentiment has always been the most cataclysmic tool to unite our fragmented nation when the intelligence or government requires it.
I disagree with the bolded part. Also, our governments (military specifically) are experts in dividing a region along ethnic lines if it helps them prolong their hold on the country.
If the same action was taken by Mush against the MQM goons, the thread starter would be screaming for the 'President' to be thrown out.
The moral tone of the post just doesn't work
Exactly!...if the gov says that lal masjid was a threat to the public of pakistan...why wasnt the may 12 massacre consider 'a live,documented execution of the threat'?
Militant khutbas will have minimal effect in a society where justice is freely/easily available, law is enforced and government is sincere with people as well as government listens to its people in regards to what they want for the society.
yeah ..short term vs long term solutions
while all you stated is in process putting a stop to such dhama chokri should help.
there are societies where govt does not give a damn about what people want and justice is niether freely nor easily available, but they enforce the laws and ppl shape up. a prime example is china.
I am not suggesting going the china route or most of middle east route, but this open inflammatory bakbak needs to be stopped.
I disagree with the bolded part. Also, our governments (military specifically) are experts in dividing a region along ethnic lines if it helps them prolong their hold on the country.
Yes you are right, there is more than one card to play in a religious diverse ethnic cultural country. And it does not always succeed in terminating what they create. It backfires every now and then. And they do not plan to handle it until that happens. It seems their strategies are more focused on the PROS and the risk associated with the CONS is left to be handled later by other regimes or as time plays it out.
I am not suggesting going the china route or most of middle east route, but this open inflammatory bakbak needs to be stopped.
I agree that open-inflammatory bakbak does need to be stopped, why can ISI not do an operation against that? Instead of removing common men from the scene, just remove those goons who preach hatred in a sacred place to be put in an island (Pakistani Gitmo?) where they can preach the hatred to each other all the time.