well this is to the indians or hindus rather in this forum .
well pakistanis iam not sure if all are aware or not but “sai baba” a sufi of 16 th century is worshipped like a god in maharashtra and esp in the western india
actually " sai baba " was a muslim sufi who lifed in city of shirdi but latter he ws rechristenioned as a hindu and blah blah
but many of the hindus admit that he was a muslim i want to ask the indians what they have to say about it?
I consider him a muslim. But it doesn't matter. For in Hindusim, any man/woman/thing, when beleives in a god (call it by any name), he/she/it is a Hindu.
so i would be hindu eventhough i don't believe in krishna, or cremate, or believe in re-incarnation?
i don't know what the concept is of hinduism...is there life after death? or is it a never ending re-incarnation?
"There as many ideas in the minds of men and women as there are stars in the sky, it is your job to hold on to one and make it come true"
Anonymous
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Originally posted by kumarakn:
I consider him a muslim. But it doesn't matter. For in Hindusim, any man/woman/thing, when beleives in a god (call it by any name), he/she/it is a Hindu.
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does Hinduism have ONE GOD? Muslims don't have thousands of GOD. Not every other creature is GOD in Islam, what about Hinduism?
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
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Originally posted by Changez_like:
** does Hinduism have ONE GOD? Muslims don't have thousands of GOD. Not every other creature is GOD in Islam, what about Hinduism?
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pls search in this section on hinduism. there r very few hindus here and why recycle arguments.
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Originally posted by kumarakn:
I consider him a muslim. But it doesn't matter. For in Hindusim, any man/woman/thing, when beleives in a god (call it by any name), he/she/it is a Hindu.
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I wish to correct my sentence. As per the srutis...
Any man(woman/thing), if is aware (conscious) of a god (call it by any name), he(she/it) is a Hindu.
And you don't have to believe in anything (even having faith in god), nor have to follow anything. In fact you can even question or hate god and be a Hindu. For it is the awareness that counts.
Karma, Dharma, re-incarnation or hatred of god, anger against god and everything else just reflects different forms of Hindu faith.
We have discussed about hindu gods, many zillion times in this forum. Please refer to the old ones b4 posting these questions!
also responded to by MR Kumarakn.
my question was triggered by Mr Kumarakn’s original statement ‘any man/woman/thing, when beleives in a god (call it by any name), he/she/it is a Hindu.’
if Mr Kumarakn can “recycle” his statement, why can’t i recycle my question?
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/tongue.gif
We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?
All right! let me respond in short,
Does Hinduism have ONE GOD?
What is your definition of God. Islamic or Christian intrepretation of God has no place in Hinduism. In Hinduism, God is neither a person nor an entity who shows love or mercy, it is the Consciousness of a Supreme Reality.
The Reality is one, and only one!
"Ekam, Na Dwitiyam" - One, not Two!
Muslims don't have thousands of GOD.
Ok! So?!!Not every other creature is GOD in Islam, what about Hinduism?
In Hinduism, not just every "other" creature; every one of the creatures, living or non-living, animate or inanimate is a part of one single Supreme Reality.
Any further questions?
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Any man(woman/thing), if is aware (conscious) of a god (call it by any name), he(she/it) is a Hindu.
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by 'awareness/consciousness' you mean that you don't have to follow GOD's command, and when someone "beleives" in GOD then (s)he must follow HIS commands?
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
Not necessarily! You don't have to follow to be a believer nor you have to be a believer to follow.
Unlike Christianity or Islam, there are no rules in Hinduism.
There is NO hindu god who/which commannds you to do anything. Any such attempt would have killed the relevance of Hinduism and its ability to be effective for ever. Anything is acceptable, as long as you relaize everything is a part of the same Reality, aslo referred as Brahm!.
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Originally posted by kumarakn:
**Not necessarily! You don't have to follow to be a believer nor you have to be a believer to follow.
Unlike Christianity or Islam, there are no rules in Hinduism.
There is NO hindu god who/which commannds you to do anything. Any such attempt would have killed the relevance of Hinduism and its ability to be effective for ever. Anything is acceptable, as long as you relaize everything is a part of the same Reality, aslo referred as Brahm!.
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oh, so thats Hinduism? or is it particular sect/group's beleive?
what is definition of RELIGION?
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
particular sect's belief? don't know.
Definition of religion -> search the web.
my post was just to know about your opinion of the religion of "sai baba" and not about hinduism
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Originally posted by kumarakn:
**particular sect's belief? don't know.
Definition of religion -> search the web.**
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if you can't answer basic definition... why are you on this forum representing HINDUISM everywhere? why do you have to refer to INTERNET?
I asked for your definition of religion, as you have a different definition of 'GOD'.
** Also, Sai Baba was a Hindu, you are denying people of your own religion? **
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Ok!
who knows one god or many gods. is one god responsible for everything happening in the universe both destructive and constructive
things justice and injustice or he is responsible for only good things and his actions are balanced by another force?
may be that why we as k people what religen
you "believe".
Maybe u don't know how many gods there are, but I surely know that:
'There is no god but Allah'.
Only ONE God.
This has been confirmed in the Qur'aan:
021.022 If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!
021.023 He cannot be questioned for His acts, but they will be questioned (for theirs).
021.024 Or have they taken for worship (other) gods besides him? Say, "Bring your convincing proof: this is the Message of those with me and the Message of those before me." But most of them know not the Truth, and so turn away.
021.025 Not an apostle did We send before thee without this inspiration sent by Us to him: that there is no god but I; therefore worship and serve Me.
"Confirmed" for people who would accept it as confirmation.
Quran is not at all an entity in majority of the world.
PS: this thread is about Saibaba and his religion. Not one or many gods or number of gods according to Islamic belief
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In other words, you are saying that in Hinduism, anything goes.
If so, then what's the point of being a Hindu? Even a person with no religion believes that "anything goes".
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Originally posted by kumarakn:
** I wish to correct my sentence. As per the srutis...
Any man(woman/thing), if is aware (conscious) of a god (call it by any name), he(she/it) is a Hindu.
And you don't have to believe in anything (even having faith in god), nor have to follow anything. In fact you can even question or hate god and be a Hindu. For it is the awareness that counts.
Karma, Dharma, re-incarnation or hatred of god, anger against god and everything else just reflects different forms of Hindu faith.
We have discussed about hindu gods, many zillion times in this forum. Please refer to the old ones b4 posting these questions!**
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Would you care to explain your question? What do you mean by "anything goes"? Didn't understand that phrase.
Assuming what I understood by that is right, then, it is only the awareness that is needed. You don't have to be a follower of the religion.
And regarding the point that Hinduism is supposed to be making, well, I don't think that cultures, religions, ways to live, have to make some points for them to be so. they are what they are!