Hey
i was js wondering wt u guys thought bout sunni marrying a shia.. Does any1 know of anysuch marriages and if u do could u plz let me no of the out come?? was it good:) or did it end with:mad:…
Re: what to do???Sunni/Shia
As salamu alikum
In arab countries such type of marriage is comman and in iraq syria majority of people marry like this.
wassalam
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well i know few such marriages in pakistan (mostly the husband is shia & wife is sunni) and they all r going on well , what i've heard is that most such couples have tought their son's to follow shia believe and their daughter's to follow sunni believe ,on the contrary i've even seen families where kids have followed only sunni or shia belief I 've even seen those kids ( from mixed marriages) getting married in good families ( either shia or sunni), it's happening there , believe me . In case anyone get suspicious about my school of thought , well it's sunni.
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According to 'Ulama, nikah of a Sunni Muslim with 12er Shia is invalid because 12er shias curse the Sahabah which makes them out of the fold of Islam and above everything they believe in 12 Imams whose status is higher than all Prophets and angels and this 'aqeedah in 12 Imams is Rejection of 'Aqeedah Khatme-e-Nubuwwat.
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this all sounds so complicated...i know few newly married couples, so i dont know the outcome just yet, will let you know in 20 or 25 years.
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well actually..according to shia sunni ulemas, they can marry each other..however they can't marry ahmedis because both shia and sunni consider them to be non muslims..thank you
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Sorry to say, you can't ever prove the above in your whole life, in this world.
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Just cause what a group of people thought DIDN"T happen - that doesn't mean that they should abandon the true religion and form some sort of new one with a belief that suits there needs.
Seriously - just think about it.
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oh jez this topic again.
just to introduce some balance into things, I’ll post here once.
Firstly
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One is not required by shia law to curse anyone. certain shias do do it.
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Most shias dont have beliefs about imams that would be against aqeeda khatm e nabuwat. on the contrary they are united with sunnies about regarding anyone who claims to recieve wahi from Allah after the prophet as an apostate.
In addition, even if a shia did curse certain sahaba it wouldnt take him out of Islam, atmost you can call him misguided. Here are some selected quotes from prominent sunni/salafi ulema:
Imam Ibne Taymiyyah
Al-Sarimul Maslool, page 579 (first pulished by Taba Sa’ada Egypt)
Furthermore
Mulla Ali Qari
Silalatul Risalah, page 19, published in Jordan
In addition
http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00000597.aspx
Most shias (in contrast to what the respected alim says) fall into category two of the categories of shias named. i.e.
In addition here is another fatwa referencing ibn abidin:
http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/shiamar1.htm
Note that most shias would find the beliefs attributed to them in a) gibrael landing on the wrong person, ali being God or bibi ayesha committing adultery extremely ludicrous and kufr themselves. The latter kind, which includes believing in imams and believing Ali to be superior to the first three caliphs according to Ibn Abidin is not kufr.
Lastly Im only posting here because a friend of mine saw some of the recent propagandizing and was confused, so I was compelled to respond. I personally am not concerned, since I am aware that most sunnies on this forum and outside it do consider shias Muslims with all the rights afforded to Muslims, and a very extremist takfiri sect within salafies (behind kr-hcy and allahuakber.net), Debater being a recently reincarnated copy paste warrior.
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I know where Shia Husband with Sunni Wife, children follow Mother's Aqeeda as a general rule, it also depends who the most active Parent is in following and setting the example for the children to follow.
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In his very informative book, "Ghuniyyat ut Talibeen", Qutbe Subhani Hazrat Sheikh Syed Abdul Qaadir Jilaani al Baghdaadi (rehmatullah alai) counted all the 73 sects, outlined their beliefs, rejected all the non-islamic beliefs of the misguided and heretic sects in the light of Quran and Sunnah. in this great book he called the shias, "the worst of all kafirs."
indeed, one who has filthy beliefs regarding the Mother of the Believers Sayyeda Aayesha (radiallah anha) cannot be called a muslim.
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indeed, one who has filthy beliefs regarding the Mother of the Believers Sayyeda Aayesha (radiallah anha) cannot be called a muslim.
Sheikh Syed Abdul Qaadir Jilaani al Baghdaadi called shia worst of all kaafirs? bhaar main jaaye..waisay mere kehnay say kiya hota hai..jana to bhaar main hi hai na
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Lastly Im only posting here because a friend of mine saw some of the recent propagandizing and was confused, so I was compelled to respond. I personally am not concerned, since I am aware that most sunnies on this forum and outside it do consider shias Muslims with all the rights afforded to Muslims, and a very extremist takfiri sect within salafies (behind kr-hcy and allahuakber.net), Debater being a recently reincarnated copy paste warrior.
Your deceptive arguments show that you are a Sufi who are half shias and half sunnis that is why you are defending your shia brothers with all your weak arguments.
Though I am not a Salafi but I highly regard them and think that they are much better than Bid'atis like you who have corrupted Islam with all their deviations.
The weakness of your argument is that you are depending on Ibn 'Abidin only. Or not?
Or are you the one perplexed who was kicked out of the moderator group of kr-hcy, which is why you are calling them names?
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And if you are really truthful then prove that the belief in 12 Imams is not the rejection of 'aqeedah Khatm Nubuwwat?
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As if these deviant Sufis live in minds of most shias.
Let’s see how these Sufis lie to defend their shia brothers:
SHI’I CONCEPT OF IMAAMAT EXPLAINED
Q: I came across your website and it made for interesting reading on how you knowingly or unknowingly incite hatred amongst the Muslim ummah. The book in question, “The Faith of Shia Islam”, clearly states the lesser stature of the Imams of the Shia faith as compared to the Prophet in the very sentence that you chose to quote incorrectly.
A: It is most distressing and unfortunate that you have elected to perceive our presentation of the Shi‘i concept of Imamah in comparison with Nubuwwah as hate mongering.
It has to be candidly admitted that your pejorative characterization of our presentation would have been quite truthful and accurate had it been based solely on the extract from the book “The Faith of Shia Islam” and on nothing else. But the reality of the situation is quite different for those whose knowledge of Shi‘ism extends further than one or two contemporary booklets. Anyone interested in knowing exactly what position Twelver Shi‘ism holds on a particular point of law or theology — and that includes yourself — would be infinitely better advised to consult the classical legacy of the Shi‘ah, and not just draw semantical conclusions from one or two contemporary sources of diminutive status and negligible importance.
In your own case, it seems that you too, have not had adequate exposure to the classical literature of your sect. It appears that it is this ineptitude that has led you into a condemnation of our description of Imamah as being superior to Nubuwwah in the belief structure of the Shi‘ah.
For your information and empowerment we therefore present you with the following citations from recognized works by celebrated scholars from within your own classical legacy. We hope that your misgivings will have been satisfactorily accounted for.
- Shaykh Ni‘matullah al-Jaza’iri (died 1112 AH) writes in his book al-Anwar al-Nu‘maniyyah vol. 1 p. 20: “Know that there is no difference amongst our scholars about the superiority of our Prophet (upon and him and his family be peace) over all the other Prophets (peace be upon them), on account of multiple narrations. There does however exist a difference of opinion between them on the issue of whether Amir al-Mu’minin (‘Ali) and the Pure Imams are superior to the Prophets with the exclusion of their grandfather (upon him and his family be peace). One group holds the view that they are superior to all the Prophets excluding the Ulul ‘Azm (Nuh, Ibrahim, Musa, and ‘Isa). Another group holds the position that they are equal. But most of the latter scholars believe that the Imams (peace be upon them) are superior to all the Prophets, the Ulul ‘Azm included. This view is the correct one, and it is based upon the following proofs.”
Al-Jaza’iri then goes on to cite twelve sections of proofs, every section consisting of narrations from the Imams in the books of the Shi‘ah, covering 15 pages in all. You may view these proofs in al-Anwar al-Nu‘maniyyah vol. 1 pp. 20-35. After reading them I invite you to reconsider these words of yours, and to consider whether it applies more aptly to us or yourself: “I wish you would stop the hate mongering and use your head instead. If you can’t be truthful to the readers… at least be truthful to yourself. You think by writing lies about someone those lies will become truths? Allah knows best what is right and what is wrong.” - Al-Jaza’iri’s teacher was the famous Mulla Muhammad Baqir al-Majlisi (died 1111 AH), the most prominent and influential Shi‘i scholar of the Safawid empire. He writes in his monumental Bihar al-Anwar vol. 26 p. 83:
“On the whole, after admission of the fact that the Imams are not prophets, we are bound to acknowledge the fact that they are superior to all Prophets and Awsiya (legatees) except our Prophet (salutations and peace upon him and his family). To our knowledge there is no reason not to describe the Imams as Prophets except consideration to the status of the Final Prophet. Our intellect too, cannot perceive of a distinction between Nubuwwah (prophethood) and Imamah.”
I would also draw your attention to the fact that al-Majlisi has included a chapter in the aforementioned book entitled “The Superiority of the Imams over the Prophets and al Creation”. In this chapter, which runs from page 267 to page 318 in volume 26 of Bihar al-Anwar, he has enumerated a full 88 ahadith of the Imams as proof of their superiority. You are once again urged to study these ahadith of your Imams and the conclusions drawn from them by your scholars, after which we invite you to consider whom it is who knowingly or unknowingly incites hatred amongst the Muslim Ummah. - And should you contend that these were the views of ancient scholars that are no longer held by Shi‘i scholars today, then I invite you to read the book al-Hukumat al-Islamiyyah by Imam Khomeini himself, wherein he states:
“It is of the undeniable tenets of our faith that our Imams have a status with Allah that cannot be aspired to by anyone, neither an angel nor a prophet.”
We sincerely hope to hear from you again.
[RIGHT]Shaykh M Taha Karaan
MADRASAH AL-ARABIYYAH AL-ISLAAMIYYAH, Western Cape (SA)[/RIGHT]
[RIGHT]source: http://www.alinaam.org.za/library/dbeliefs/shii-imaam.htm[/RIGHT]
Re: what to do???Sunni/Shia
One more evidence to expose these Liar Sufis, defenders of Shayateen:
SHI’ISM EXPOSED
It is essential that Muslim sympathisers of the Shias divest themselves of the notion that Shi’ism is part of Islam – that it is just as one of the other four Madhabs which constitute the Ahlus Sunnah. Shi’sim is not Islam nor is it a sect of Islam. The ostentatious religious calls of an Islamic hue emanating from Khomeini and his clergy do not make Shi’ism any closer to Islam than the religious and ‘Islamic’ calls and slogans of religions such as Qadianism. Like Qadianism, Shi’ism too believes in the extension and perpetuation of Nubuwwat (Prophethood) after Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). Although both religions (Qadianis and Shi’ism) overtly assert a belief in the finality of the Nubuwwat of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), they covertly believe by way of fallacious interpretation in the continuation of Nubuwwat.
Shi’i religious literature abundantly clarifies the fact that Shias believe in the continuation of Nubuwwat after Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). The only cover presented by Shi’ism for this Kufr belief is a name, viz., Imaam. Instead of calling the one they believe to be a Prophet or Nabi or Rasool, they describe him as an Imaam, and instead of saying Nubuwwat they say Imaamat. But, in terms of Shi’i religion there is absolutely no difference between a Nabi or a Shi’i Imaam. In fact, Shi’ism propagates the superiority of an Imaam over a Nabi. Hence, Khomeini declares:
“It is one of the essential beliefs of our Shi’i school that no one can attain the spiritual status of the Imaams, not even the cherubim or the prophets.” (Writings and Declarations of Imaam Khomeini: Islam & Revolution)
In the same book, Khomeini states:
“In fact, according to tradition that have been handed down to us, the Most Noble Messenger and the Imaams existed before the creation of the world in the form of lights situated beneath the divine throne: They were superior to other men even in the sperm from which they grew and in their physical composition.”
“The Prophet himself said: We have states with God that are beyond the reach of the cherubim and the prophets.”
“It is part of our belief that the Imaams too enjoy similar states …”
It is thus clear from the above excerpts that Shi’ism asserts the superiority of its Imaams above the ranks of the other Ambiyaa (Alayhimus salaam). In fact, they even assert the superiority of Hadhrat Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) over Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). Insha Allah, we will show from their writings that the Shi’i priests believe that Hadhrat Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) is higher in rank than even Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). In Volume1 of Al-Kaafi, the work of the Shi’i authority, al-Kulaini, the following appears on page 223:
“A man said to him (Abu Ja’far): ‘O son of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam)! Has Ameerul Mu’mineen (Hadhrat Ali) greater knowledge or some of the Ambiyaa?’ Abu Ja’far said: ‘Listen to what he says! Verily, I have explained to him that Allah has bestowed to Muhammad the knowledge of all the Ambiyaa and most assuredly He has bestowed all of it to Ameerul Mu’mineen. And he (the questioner) asks me if he (Hadhrat Ali) has greater knowledge or some of the Ambiyaa.”
Al-Kaafi is one of the most authoritative books in Shia theology. Kulaini, the author, is regarded by the Shi’a clergy to be one of their top ranking authorities. Thus, in the Shia book, Shi’ite Islam by the Shiah priest, Tabatabai, al-Kaafi is praised in the following terms:
“The book of Kulaini known as Kaafi is divided into three parts … it is the most trustworthy and celebrated work of Hadith known in the Shi’ite world.”
From the aforementioned that Imaamat is a continuation of Nubuwwat, there is no doubt. Their beliefs as propounded by their own authorities unequivocally assert total equality between Nubuwwat and Imaamat, in fact, Imaamat is even accepted to be superior to Nubuwwat by the Shi’i religion. The Shi’i book, ‘The faith of Shia Islam’ states, ‘We believe that Imaamat is one of the fundamentals of Islam and that man’s faith can never be complete without belief in it. It is wrong to imitate our fathers, family or teachers in this matter, even if we respect both, for it is just as necessary rationally to consider Imaamat as it is to consider Tawheed and Nubuwwat.’
‘We believe that, just as it is necessary for Allah to send someone as a prophet, so it is also necessary for Him to appoint an Imaam.’
‘The Imaamat is therefore a continuation of a prophethood, and the reasoning which proves the former’s necessity is the same that which prove the latter’s. ‘We believe that, like the Prophet, an Imaam must be infallible, that is to say incapable of making errors or doing wrong, either inwardly or outwardly …’
‘Their (i.e. the Shi’i Imaams) position in regard to Islam is the same as the prophet’s, and the reasoning which necessitates their infallibility is the same as that which necessitates the Prophet’s infallibility, and there is no difference between them in matters.’
There is no difference of opinion among the Shias regarding their belief of the equality between Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and the Imaams of Shi’ism. The abovementioned statements testify to this claim. The same book, viz., ‘The Faith of Shia Islam’, states:
‘We believe that the Imaamat, like Prophethood, must be an appointment from Allah through His Messenger, or an appointed Imaam. From this point of view, the Imaamat is the same as the prophethood.’
No one should therefore labour under the misapprehension that Shi’ism believes in the Islamic concept of Finality of Nubuwwat. The “Qadianis claim to believe in the Finality of Nubuwwat, but their devious interpretation of this concept opens the way for them to accept Mirza Ghulam as a Nabi. In the same way, the Shi’as believe in the continuation of Nubuwwah inspite of their claim to believe in the Finality of the Nubuwwah of Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). Each and every attribute, office, function and institution exclusive with Nubuwwah is asserted for the Imaams by the Shi’as. One who studies the religious literature of the Shi’as will not fail to understand that on only this one basis of Imaamat, the Shi’as are not Muslims.
Rejection of a Nabi is Kufr. One who does not believe in a Nabi is a Kaafir. This is the belief of Islam. But according to the Shi’ah religion, belief in Imaamat is Fardh just as Fardh as it is to believe in Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). According to Shi’ism, one who denies any of the Shi’i Imaams – one who does not accept any of the Shi’i Imaams – is a Kaafir. Propounding this view, the Shi’i authority, Kulaini, states in his ‘most trustworthy and celebrated work of Hadith’, Al-Kaafi:
“We (i.e. the Imaams) are those whose obedience Allah has made Fardh… Whoever denies us is a Kaafir.’
This belief in Shi’ism categorically indicates that the Shi’i religion regards its Imaams as Ambiyaa. All those who do not subscribe to the Shi’ah doctrine of Imaamat are branded as Kaafirs by the Shi’ah religion. This is an indisputable fact in terms of Shi’ah theological writings. It is entirely another matter for Khomeini and the present Shi’a clergy to ostensibly claim that they regard Sunnis as Muslims. Such devious statements are based on the Shi’ah doctrine of Taqiyyah (holy hypocrisy) and stem from pernicious political motives.
Shi’ism Exposed by Majlisul Ulama (PE)
source: http://www.alinaam.org.za/library/shia.htm
Now have some shame you Liar Sufi because this is not from a salafi source but from a muqallid / deobandi source.
Re: what to do???Sunni/Shia
Hmm, it’s one the matters i do have so many questions but not enough answers, or atleast not enough to satisfy my inquisitive nature:hoonh: …a few times, i did talk to my mom and dad about this ( we are sunni but have a few shiite family friends who are more than some relatives really ) and they told me that such marriages were common between partition and yes, those marriages WERE successful…this so-called animosity, if it’s there, started only a decade or so back…These days, people are more and more into sects and deifference and similarites and so they are more reluctant to propagate relationships with shiites if they are sunni themselves and vice-verca…but what i truly want to know about is if there is actually any difference at all between Sunni sect and Shiite Sect…i have heard that there is a difference in the First Kalma and the way namaz is offerened but i have nver had any authentic and satisfying reply..can somebody help out and reply?
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Well, I have personally seen a mrried couple one of whom was Qadiyani while the other Muslim. So?
In Western countries some Muslim girls marry Christians. So?
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In Western countries some Muslim girls marry Christians. So?
As regards your question, we'd like to cite for you the following fatwa issued by the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, in this regard:
"Matrimonial life should be based on mutual understanding between the spouses rather than spent in heated arguments and continuous debates. Life should not be a battle between the spouses: one of them supports Abu Bakr and the other defends `Ali. I don't say this kind of marriage is Haram, but I don't prefer it. There should be a kind of harmony between the spouses, and this is not found if the Shiite is fanatic. One of them would say, "may Allah be pleased with Abu Bakr" and the other would say, "May Allah's curse be inflicted on him". This is not a good example of matrimonial life.
I am not totally against this marriage, because I permit the Muslim to get married to a Christian lady, and if it is allowed for a Muslim to marry a Christian lady, then, in fortiori, it is allowed to marry a Shiite lady. Still, though marriage is valid in principle, it's not the ideal one.
So, I suggest – if a Muslim really wants to get married to a Shiite lady – to marry a moderate Shiite woman who prays in the Masjid with Sunnis and attend the Khutbah and doesn't support conflict with the Sunnis. If she is as such, then it's permissible to get married to her."
It goes without saying that the above fatwa is also applicable in case the man is a Shiite and the woman is a Sunni.
wassalam
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There is no value of this fatwa against fatwas of Imam Abu Hanifah, Imam Shafi'i, Imam Malik and majority of scholars which constitute an Ijma' of Ummat, according to which those who slander Companions of Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam are outside the pale of Islam.
Then this is not the only reason for shias to be out of Islam, as I have above explained one more reason which is rejection of the creed of seal of Prophets.