What the problem with these desis Abroad.?

[Sara516]

Re: What the problem with these desis Abroad.?

^ Caste importance is so retarded.. such an Hindu concept, i don think many hindus wud even follow it anymore :no:

[mulz]

Re: What the problem with these desis Abroad.?

@Sara516

^ Caste importance is so retarded.. such an Hindu concept, i don think many hindus wud even follow it anymore :no:

bibijee tussi britney spears jia gallan kardey o. what are you? Rajput? Jatt? Gujjar? Do you know what happens back home when you try to mix things up? I guess you have lived in cities.. I dont know bout Hindhoos but yes caste system is a reality in Punjab.

[Sara516]

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^ Not sayin it doesnt xist, but it is a really stupid , VERY jahil concept that has no place in Islam and really needs to be eliminated.. N not that it matters, but since u asked Iam rajput, though I doubt it has anything to do with relevant matters of life

[mulz]

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@Sara516

^ Not sayin it doesnt xist, but it is a really stupid , VERY jahil concept that has no place in Islam and really needs to be eliminated.. N not that it matters, but since u asked Iam rajput, though I doubt it has anything to do with relevant matters of life

What kind of Rajput? Janjua, Kokhar, bhatti, chauhan, noon etc? I know its a jahil concept and has no place in Islam but then there are tons of things which are not right as per Islam and are still practicsed in a modern country like Pakistan.

[Rush]

Re: What the problem with these desis Abroad.?

@mulz

Yes if u are looking in the same biradri, it is easy.. like if you confine yourself in the same caste/sub-caste, you might land up with ristha soon.

thanks

[Sara516]

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@mulz

What kind of Rajput? Janjua, Kokhar, bhatti, chauhan, noon etc? I know its a jahil concept and has no place in Islam but then there are tons of things which are not right as per Islam and are still practicsed in a modern country like Pakistan.

Does it matter? In the end is it really gonna matter? Will you go to Jahannam or Jannat based on if u werea butt, rajput etc ??
God knows theres plenty of thigns wrong in desi society, but we should try to eliminate as many wrongs as we can, if not on a social level, then on a personal level.. Your argument is very weak..

[mulz]

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@Sara516

Does it matter? In the end is it really gonna matter? Will you go to Jahannam or Jannat based on if u werea butt, rajput etc ?? God knows theres plenty of thigns wrong in desi society, but we should try to eliminate as many wrongs as we can, if not on a social level, then on a personal level.. Your argument is very weak..

I was testing whether you know your background well or not and whether you know your roots, nothing serious.. whether you are minhas or bhatti I really dont care and its your and your family's business whether you end up marrying outside even Rajput community.. I was just curious wat sub-caste you belong to. By the way, there are things wrong in the west too and even these goras are interested and waste 1000s of dollars in finding they are 1/2 german, 1/4 swedish, Irish etc. - we are better off as we have only castes and sub-castes.. these people go to details of immigration records of 18th/19th century or so to find their origins. My father married a Pathan woman and he wasn't allowed to enter the pind till I became 5 years old but then ppl understood. Even until now there are some elders who dont talk to my abbu for that :(

[Ex-Guppan]

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I don't want to take the focus away of this thread, my apologies to the writer.

Valuable input from Light Bearer, Sara516 and Sadiyah!

As per caste-system: I fully endorse what Sara said. There's no place for continuing with this jahiliyah practice in Islam or educated class. There's very small group of people who practice it. Educated families onlt look for a sharif family and education of girls/boys and they even marry into other languages like punjabi, pathan urdu speaking. Some FOB recently asked me what was my cast? I knew but didn't tell her and said, I'm Muslim and do not care for this caste system. She was like ...... jaws dropped ...... My family never bothered about this thing, and am proud of them!

mulz, how many years have u lived in PK and how many rishtas have u seen being easily done bcoz of caste/sub-caste thingy?? It's a wishful thinking! Joray aasmano peh buntay hein, if Allah had put so much importance to these caste system, He wud have made sure He makes all the couples within their caste, sub-caste system :D

[mulz]

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^ Kuri New yorkaan, I lived 16 years of my life in the Pakiland and 11 years in the US. It seens like sara paanch sau solah you also never been to a pind. o madam' jee, this is the trend in the pind. Joray bilkul aasmanon mein bantey hain bibijee par zameen pe kaafi realities bhee hain.. you have to keep everyone happy!

[Ex-Guppan]

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@mulz

^ Kuri New yorkaan, I lived 16 years of my life in the Pakiland and 11 years in the US. It seens like sara paanch sau solah you also never been to a pind. o madam' jee, this is the trend in the pind. Joray bilkul aasmanon mein bantey hain bibijee par zameen pe kaafi realities bhee hain.. you have to keep everyone happy!

:D I told you it's a backward thing, probably followed in remote areas. If educated and exposed ppl like you also keep on endorsing these, ppl will never come out of it. Be the first one!

ur post chuckled me so much :D what made u think I'm New Yorkaan :CareBear: the name or my posts??

[mulz]

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@Larki-NY

:D I told you it's a backward thing, probably followed in remote areas. If educated and exposed ppl like you also keep on endorsing these, ppl will never come out of it. Be the first one!

ur post chuckled me so much :D what made u think I'm New Yorkaan :CareBear: the name or my posts??

I aint endorsing it, babe.. I am just telling ya and sara bibje bout it.. your name was wat I looked at

[Xcom_Cheetah]

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@Sadiyah

I suppose we're even then.

Many of us residing abroad find it difficult to adjust back home and criticize Pakistan for the corruption, pollution, and whatever else is wrong there.

Similarly, those residing in Pakistan love to criticize many of us abroad because many of us residing abroad are somehow more corrupt, immoral, less cultural, and supposedly earning more, but not bringing back expensive enough presents.

It likely boils to finding comfort in the region you live in and obviously you tend to find it difficult to adjust or adapt to the conditions and culture elsewhere.

I don't know how u have reached this conclusion.

I never once asked my brother to come back, neither i discuss with him about the american politics. If he is living abroad and is happy, fine with me... My only issue with them is that when they can't offer anything to their motherland than they should atleast keep their mouth shut.

and ur comments about gift is even more disgusting... Neither my mother take any present from him nor do i. Rather i have paid for all my present he brought for me in his first trip(never got any present in his last couple of trips.)... and i have seen many ppl doing like this...

[Xcom_Cheetah]

Re: What the problem with these desis Abroad.?

@malhot

X_Com, You must realise that your elder brother is your well-wisher. He has seen the world and wants you to achieve the best in life.

Whereas you are being emotional, and trying to justify & cover up your fear of going into the unknown(abroad). You are now in a comfort zone, friends, family, relatives - and you are probably to scared to leave this.

I have met fools like you even in India - and then they repent it after several years. They are married with kids and now want to settle abroad - and can't since they have so much more responsibilities.

Actually saying that i have a fear of the unknown is just a little too quick a conclusion.. i have a brother with his wife and children, around half a dozen very close cousins. then few past neighbours in states.. So i think it surely going to be even more comfort zone for me.

Question is does the purpose of my life is only to make as much money as i can.? being a muslim i think u can answer it a little better...

I read a quote of Quaid-e-Azam somewhere, he delivered in Dhaka 1939... i wish i could relocate it and paste the original quote... cuz definitely the wording Quaid used was second to none... But for the time being i m trying to translation of it..
He said " mairee khuaish hai k qayamat k din jab mai apnay Allah kay hazoor paish hoon tu maira zameer mutma'in ho k mainay musalmanan-e-hind kee behtaree k liayae apni himat ka akhree qatra tak sarf kar dia tha".

I m sure he could have earned millions of Pounds working in London but he choose to go for the route which was tough and without much reward only for the satisfaction of his consciousness.

Btw don't get the impression that i m going to change the look of Pakistan.. Neither i believe my efforts will ever match the fraction what the Quaid-e-Azam managed to attain... but nonetheless i want to do something like him for my own consciousness. and ie. to help Pakistan in my own capacity in every way possible for me. and i m sure its going to be a very very tough route... May Allah help me to remain steadfast on the path of righteousness.

ps. i just to make it clear again that neither i am denying the advancements of europe, State and the west and neither i m denying the fact that we have a lot of catching up to do... All i m saying is that its we Pakistanis who have to match their advancements by helping our ownselfs and our fellows Pakistanis and then only Pakistan as a whole will move forward.
If i go abroad and after 30- 40 yrs return back saying that i m going to help Pakistan now, is same as, trying to complete a 6 hr exam paper in last 15 minutes.