The other day I was watching a talk show where Dr. Qadir Magsi was threatening blood shed and killing people who were demanding Mohajir province by dividing their motherland Sind..
A piece of land is not sacred.. people inhabiting that land are sacred. Threatening to kill people if they demand something which you don’t like is the worse kind of human behavior. People living in a certain area have full right to demand something which they feel is good for them even independence..
As a nation we should debate certain criteria for the formation of a new provinces.. be it South Punjab, Hazara, Bhawalpur or Karachi/Hyderabad.
I propose following criteria and mechanism for the formation of a new province.. forum readers can add their input.
A new province should not be less than 20 million people. We should not make provinces which are not financially sustainable and can not afford to have a separate administrative mechanism. It will be foolish to make new provinces which become financial burden on other provinces..
The elected representatives of that particular area should be eligible to demand a new province. The rest of the population of that province or country should have no say in deciding the fate of the people of newly proposed province.
There should be a referendum in the newly proposed province.. and a minimum of 2/3rd majority from newly proposed province should be required. This is necessary to ensure the protection of rights of the minority groups residing in that newly proposed province.
It’s necessary to fix the bench mark criteria before opening the pandora box of new provinces. without discussing/fixing the minimum eligibility requirements.. it will be like putting the cart before the horse. Moreover presently these issues are being exploited by political parties to exploit the voters unnecessarily to gain electoral success.. which in my opinion is a disgusting..
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While creating new provinces quite a few things need to be checked. First of all I consider people living in that province including the people demanding new province need to be consulted otherwise there could be a lot of blood shed (for example Sindhis and punjabis need to be consulted before creation of new provinces so that the provinces are created with little resistance otherwise we might go towards a civil war instead of reaping the benefits of smaller administrative units).
Like yazdi has mentioned above I believe that the first thing to see would be the feasibility, and second demand for a new province, then I think the step should be to create political awareness and try to politically solve the issue, then the issue would be to demarcate the province. The demarcation would be the tricky bit as if the provinces are created on the basis of ethnicities there is a possibility to have feudals in one province and urban constituencies in another. This scenario can create more Balochistans, the provinces I don't think should be made on ethnicities as that would open a can of worms. A lot of vision and political will is needed for creation of new provinces but the way the government is going about to create them I fear a lot of blood shed.
Re: What should be the criteria and mechanism for the formation of new provinces..
While creating new provinces quite a few things need to be checked. First of all I consider people living in that province including the people demanding new province need to be consulted otherwise there could be a lot of blood shed (for example Sindhis and punjabis need to be consulted before creation of new provinces so that the provinces are created with little resistance otherwise we might go towards a civil war instead of reaping the benefits of smaller administrative units).
Like yazdi has mentioned above I believe that the first thing to see would be the feasibility, and second demand for a new province, then I think the step should be to create political awareness and try to politically solve the issue, then the issue would be to demarcate the province. The demarcation would be the tricky bit as if the provinces are created on the basis of ethnicities there is a possibility to have feudals in one province and urban constituencies in another. This scenario can create more Balochistans, the provinces I don't think should be made on ethnicities as that would open a can of worms. A lot of vision and political will is needed for creation of new provinces but the way the government is going about to create them I fear a lot of blood shed.
I disagree that people other than the newly proposed province should have a say in the formation of such province. After all the people who are really affected by change of demography are the residents of the newly proposed province.
However to safe guard the rights of minority groups in such provinces.. a minimum requirement of 2/3rd majority must be implemented through direct referendum.. this kind of requirement is normal in many parts of the world where people of a certain area want to go under the banner of a separate entity.
Based on agreed mechanism/criteria.. a referendum can also be conducted in Karachi if they want to create a separate province if the majority of legislature from the area make a formal demand for the formation of a new province.. value should be given to people's choice than a piece of land..
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As far as south sindh province is concerned it might include Karachi, Hyderabad and urban sukkur. That will put most of the urban areas in this province and the other one would be predominantly rural, same would be the case in Punjab with non feudal areas going to Punjab and feudals to seraiki province, I don't know if that will prove to be good in the long run or not. If they want to create provinces for administrative purposes they should be mix, otherwise it would be out of the frying pan into fire.
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formation of provinces should ONLY be on administrative basis, not on ethnicity or for political gains,which is what we are seeing! and its just so disturbing! it could lead to alot of bloodshed.
and lets suppose if a minority is marginalized and they are demanding for their rights and equality, it makes sense then, but what we see in Sindh, people who are demanding a seperate province have enjoyed all the privileges and are holding high level governments jobs and elsewhere! its nothing but political agenda to create more chaos in the province!
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We wouldn't be talking of divisions and rights if there were ample jobs in the country and if everyone was not feeling squeezed under backbone-breaking inflation and without water and power.
So if anyone, it should be the government responsible for these issues.
If economy does not improve; actually I should say, if economy does not stop going into abyss soon; then I am afraid there is going to be more anarchy, chaos, and bloodshed in various parts of the country.
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formation of provinces should ONLY be on administrative basis, not on ethnicity or for political gains,which is what we are seeing! and its just so disturbing! it could lead to alot of bloodshed.
and lets suppose if a minority is marginalized and they are demanding for their rights and equality, it makes sense then, but what we see in Sindh, people who are demanding a seperate province have enjoyed all the privileges and are holding high level governments jobs and elsewhere! its nothing but political agenda to create more chaos in the province!
This. demanding a sooba for separating urban areas of Sindh is like 'Marre hue ko aur marna'. The so called victim card of the people demanding such province should be discussed and resolved, instead of playing with people's emotions.
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Sukkur is in the extreme north sindh,how can it become part of south sindh province.
In that case Karachi and Hyderabad cannot be part of a province as well as Thattha and Dadu come in between. There is a demand of this province, but how will they demarcate it?
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I think there is no need for a muhajir sooba. Sindh can be divided in southern and northern parts on administrative basis. Both parts may include mixed populations.
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In that case Karachi and Hyderabad cannot be part of a province as well as Thattha and Dadu come in between. There is a demand of this province, but how will they demarcate it?
Karachi and Hyderabad should not be part of one province. They should be separate administrative regions. Karachi is the largest city so in a way it has a right to have its own status. Looks like Urdu speakers just want their own province, nothing else.
If they want to create it on ethnicity basis then its not possible to include Hyderabad and Karachi in one province with Thatta in between, and if they want to have a mixed South Sindh province (which makes sense) then that would have a considerable population of Sindhis in it too and I am not sure if they’d like to be a part of that province or not. The matter is not as simplistic as it seems, a frank and open debate needs to be carried out on the matter of new provinces.
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your south sind division is closer to mine. but i repeat division should not based on constituencies. it should purely administratively manageable division.
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Karachi and Hyderabad should not be part of one province. They should be separate administrative regions. Karachi is the largest city so in a way it has a right to have its own status. Looks like Urdu speakers just want their own province, nothing else.
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But not include Hyderbad in it, Karachi is a huge populated metropolitian city its not need to govern by province and not either included in part of sindh, its should have their own govern body which directly under control of centeral govt. Its make sense for example here in Japan both two bigh metros city Tokyo and Osaka not under any local prefecture. Thats how a system working in well managed countires BUT it couldnt be happen in Pakistan where no one want a proper system specially for karachi all big brothers wana make it more messy just bcoz they dont wana see an independed governing body(MQM) control the entire city for its betterment.
Its take yearssss to change such mentality of being a blauchi,sindhi,punjabi,pashtoon etc. First we need to change the names of current provinces before creating other ethenic provinces. May be in other 50 years the generation of time called themself pakistani not with the name of their provinces. again another BUT but who care. Ham toot sakte hain jhukk nahi sakte......
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One person different stances, on the one side he is considering it to be one of his achievement to divide Punjab into three provinces on the other side what he is saying on division of Sindh.
