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You might see someone wanting to murder someone else but being deterred by the thought of jailtime as "hypocracy". i view it as deterrance. order. stability.
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so since we all have jail terms and death sentences in our respective law systems , deterrance should have worked!! we shouldn't have had any criminals in our country! thank you, you made my day!!
Good deed done with a ulterior motive to get paid or rewarded...deserves no respect.
Its not a 'Good-deed' but a hypocracy.
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*Originally posted by soul: *
so since we all have jail terms and death sentences in our respective law systems , deterrance should have worked!! we shouldn't have had any criminals in our country!
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so whats your point? are you saying criminal justice systems (death sentences are not being discussed here) are unnecessary?
if thats the case then i guess to me its seems that you can take any position, however unrealistic, to argue your case.
in which case, reasoning with you has debatable utility.
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Good deed done with a ulterior motive to get paid or rewarded...deserves no respect.
Its not a 'Good-deed' but a hypocracy.
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some might say good deeds done with any motive dont deserve respect. i atleast think its much more hypocritical to do actions to appease a personal god within you, the god of your ego, your pride. especially for those who pride themselves for altruism.
but why does it irk you so much? so long as they're good deeds, the motives remain an immensely personal matter and really, none of your business.
typically I've seen people reduce the actions of others to insignificance solely as a defence mechanism to avoid questioning their own value systems that dont necessarily compel them to undertake the same actions.
just a conjecture.
EDIT: i've always thought and been taught that thinking about the sawab when you do something in Allah's name immediately negates that act or atleast diminishes its value. im not sure why that point hasnt cropped up yet. could someone cite a reference for it if there exists?
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*Originally posted by blushing_vision: *
whatever i were... i would have married a muslim man and converted!!
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coming from homer simpson dressed in a santa suit..thats just frightening..
Christian Scientologist or Mormon Christian. :o
islam is 2 good to even consider other religions, peace 
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most likely a wahabi.
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yaaaaar...hadh ho gayi..
:) have to admit...that was pretty good.
Ya Allah. Me yeh kia read kar raha hu.
You just said that Allah(SWT) should bless me.
^yay!!!’
:bhangra: :bhangra:
YAYYYYYYYY!!!
NOW you will have to admit Inuit you did agree with him. 
Back to topic :halo: I really dont’ want to think what I would be if I weren’t a muslim, Dar lagta hai 
Athiest. Rather, that's the state of non-religion, I'd prolly be Daoist or Hedonist.
some people are saying that they would be hindu if there was no islam because their parents are muhajir and they were hindu before. adopting a religion using wisdom "Aqal"
some people might have opinion that they would choose the religion after thinking deeply and after having some research work.
Adapting a religion unknowingly because that was of the parents religion.
which one is appealing.
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some people might have opinion that they would choose the religion after thinking deeply and after having some research work.
Adapting a religion unknowingly because that was of the parents religion.
which one is appealing.
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Which reason do most Muslims currently choose?
seminole, i think the same reason applies globally. a minority may critically assess their faith system and accept or reject it, but by far the majority are following a faith because they were born into it. Whether or not they follow it well is evident in the issues that societies are having worldwide.
ultimatley your nationality counts that is where you were you have the right to live . pre-islamic and post islamic did not change the national identity.
and what was the “national ID” of Iraqis 200 years ago? 
why dont you go to iraq and claim irqui . do you have right to citzenship
in arab countries just because you are a muslim?
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seminole, i think the same reason applies globally. a minority may critically assess their faith system and accept or reject it, but by far the majority are following a faith because they were born into it. Whether or not they follow it well is evident in the issues that societies are having worldwide.
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I may be generalizing to say this, but you generalized the whole world.... Some faiths, cultures and practices encourage (and sometimes demand) conformity. Others encourage individuality and debate. I think there is a distinctin between Muslim and western societies in this area.
the implication of your post seems to be that there is less conformity, less unquestioning belief in the trueness, absolute-good of their credo in the western world versus muslim countries.
you do not find it remarkable that your opinions are shared by the mainstream. pick an average american, and give or take a grammatical mistake, he'd pretty much have the same thing to say.
i suppose you would think that this is because what almost everyone believes in, in the western world, specifically a particular part of the western world, is infact true. i hazard that those who run contrary to these opinions, would probably have their own agenda, whether political, egotistical or otherwise. maybe they're just dumb.
foster individualism or not, your society certainly breeds as much conformity as ours.
Since this is the Religion forum I was specifcally referring to conformity in religious beliefs and practices. Muslim religous and cultural practices, both individual and societal, encourage conformity. This implication isn't due to any conformity to mainstream average American. Any impartial observer would imply the same.
as people pointed out before, conformity to the religious mainstream may have more of a cultural basis than a religious basis.
we are talking about blind faith in believing in what everyone else believes. the implements may be different, but my experience tells me that there is as much typicality about americans (specifically in terms of opinions) as is about individuals from Muslim societies.
lets not make conjectures about the opinions of hypothetical observers. I could easily claim the contrary, and have just as much basis as you do.
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One day I'll have enough
To gamble
I'll wait to hear your final call
And bet it all
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Dude! Awesome signature!!!
Source? (If original, then ..woah!)