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Yajooj & Majooj are no more than a fairy tale! In history there was no such person as Sikandar Zulqarnin!. If he is Alexander the great, then this is a serious blow.
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Zulqernain is not Alexander. Zulqernain was a believer, unlike Alexander.
A more correct statement woudl be, in your history books there is no Zulqernain.
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Assalam,
ZulQarnain as mentioned in Surah Al Kahf in the Holy Quran is the King Cyrus the Great (as), not Alexander the great.
King Cyrus the Great (as) fits every charecteristic of Zul Qarnain and was a believer. King Cyrus the Great was a Zoroastrian, the religion braought by the Prophet Zarathustra (as), but was well versed in the Torah, and in fact is mentioned in the Torah in great praise by God Almighty himself, who calls Cyrus (as) His 'annointed one'. The reference is in Isaiah Ch 44:28, Isaiah 45:1 and many other places.
For more info please ask me as I do not have the ability to place URL's for some reason.
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When this zulqarnain lived in the history?
exact or circa dates?
where did he rule?
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Peace,
please refer to the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great
Peace
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Refer also to this site pleae,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great_in_the_Qur%27an
Salaam.
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I ask you, if you are truthful, to please** cite any references from the holy Quran and Ahadith which declare those who do not believe the Holy Prophet (saw) as the final and last Prophet of God** in time as Non Muslim.
So you confirm what you are.
In that case the Holy Qur'an is supposed to be for people of that time. Why do you believe in it today?
Oh I forgot, you USE some chapters today
I am Ahmadi and my core belief, as well as Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's core belief, as well as the whole Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam's core belief is:
Laa ilaaha IlAllah Muhammadur Rasoolullah
We pray five times a day, pay Zakat, fast during Ramadan, and try within our lifetime to visit and perform Hajj. We believe in Allah, and His Angels, and His Books, and in His Prophets and Messengers, and in the Last Day, and in the Divine Decree of Allah.
How then are we not Muslim? And since when did Allah bestow upon ordinary man 'Aalimun Ghaib, that is the knowledge of the unseen, only Allah is the Knower of the Unseen and the seen, and only he knows what is in the heart of every individual.
We believe in the Khatamiyyat of Hadhrat Rasoolullah (saw), but not in the shallow interpretation which you insist upon believeing but in the true glory of the matchless office.
Muslims such as quas seek to convert Muslims to non Muslims, instead of converting non Muslims to Muslim. In declaring us non Muslim, you have assumed the athority which belongs to Allah alone, you believe Allah has given you the right to judge and the ability to see through the flesh into the very hearts of men.
I ask you, if you are truthful, to please cite any references from the holy Quran and Ahadith which declare those who do not believe the Holy Prophet (saw) as the final and last Prophet of God in time as Non Muslim.
Indeed there are non and there is no athority given to you for this, and on the Day of Judgment Allah will ask you if you sought to steal Allah's station as Judge in declaring Ahmadi's as Non Muslim.
Similarly did the past Ulema judge the Mujaddids or Saints of Islam as Non Muslim, beacouse of their envy towards their triumph and ultimate success.
Alas we find a hadith of the Holy Prophet (saw) and his fatwa against people like quas:
The Holy prophet (saw) is reported to have said: "If a Muslim calls another a Kafir, then if he is a Kafir, let it be so otherwise he himself is a Kafir." Sunan Abu Dawood, vol. 3, p. 484.
This is the Ahadith which Hadhrat Ghulam Ahmad used, when the Ulema declared him as Kafir. According to the Holy prophet (saw) is a Muslim calls another Muslim a Kafir, he himself becomes the kafir.
Fear God quas and beware of the unrighteousness which you observe in calling Muslims Kafirs.
May the vurse of Allah be upon the liars.
Lahaul-e-wala-quwwata-illa-billah-e-...
Go through the long long list of known Messengers from Allah the almighty and tell every body here that did any of those Messengers died while they were ****ting?
What Mirza did is his personal matter. I just want you to begin your next speech with the fact that Mirza not only died in toilet but also his face was covered with crap. I dont want to disrespect Mirza but facts are on the record.
Yackk!!
Dont tell only the first part to people where Mirza claimed, tell them the last part too where Allah responded to his claim.
:)
Allah-o-Akbar
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You are puposely refusing to answer my Question, by ignoring it and alleging false interpretations to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. The truth is that there is no verse in the Holy Quran which declares those who do not believe the Holy prophet (saw) as the last prophet ever as non Muslim, nor do any authentic Ahadith. The Holy prophet (saw) was the last Law Bearing Prophet and no Prophet shall come after him who will not be his servant and follower, that is, that no prophet will come after the Holy prophet (saw) who will not bear his Seal, read Ayat 70 or 69 in Surah Al Nisaa and you’ll see that the Holy Prophet (saw) was not the eradicator of Prophethood but is the maker of Prophets in the sense that his Seal is upon every prophet which gives the Prophets their validity.
Wherever you fabricated this lie from it was not from an Ahmadi source, neither is it from a reliable source. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) did not die while he was in the toilet, on the contrary he was upon his bed, full of years, the age of 73, 74 with a following of 400,000 ammasses in only 19 years. he had written over 84 books in the propogation of Islam and in restoring the rightful sanctity of Islam which was forgotten, and also wrote books in refutation of the false charges brought against Islam and the Holy Prophet (saw).
The Holy Quran says:
“Alas for my servants! there comes not a Messenger to them but they mock at him.” (36:31)
وائے حسرت بندوں پر! ان کے پاس کوئی رسول نہیں آتا مگر وہ اس سے ٹھٹھا کرنے لگتے ہیں۔ سورۃ یٰس
It is surprising to note that this absurd allegation has no basis what-so-ever from the history. The Promised Messiah (peace be on him) had written 6 years before his death, in Tadhkiratush Shahadatain that he had complaints of diarrhea. No where in the Holy Quran or Hadith it is written that if someone dies due to weakness of diarrhea in his old age, he died a cursed death. May Allah open your eyes and you be able to recognize the Imam of the Age. Ameen. Here we copy a page from the book Seertul Mahdi written by Hadhrat Musleh Mauood which describes the last few days and death of His Holiness Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, The Promised Messiah (peace be on him). It is clear from the record of all eye-witnesses that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (peace be on him) died on his bed with his last words: Allah.
[RIGHT]یہ حیرانی کی بات ہے کہ تاریخ سے اسے بیہودہ الزام کا کوئی بھی جواز موجود نہیں۔ حضرت مرزا غلام احمد قادیانی نے اپنے وصال سے چھ سال پہلے اپنی کتاب تذکرۃ الشہادتین میں لکھا تھا کہ آپ کو پرانی دستوں کی بیماری ہے۔ اب کیا کسی قرآنی آیت یا حدیث میں یہ لکھا ہے کہ کوئی عمر رسیدہ شخص دستوں کی کمزوری سے وفات پاجائے تو وہ لعنتی موت ہوگی؟ اللہ تعالٰی آپ کی آنکھیں کھولے اور وقت کے امام کو پہچاننے کی توفیق عطا فرمائے۔آمین۔ ذیل میں ہم حضرت مصلح موعود کی کتاب سیرۃ المہدی کے ایک صفحہ کا عکس پیش کررہے ہیں جس میں حضرت مسیح موعود و مہدی موعود علیہ السلام کے آخری دنوں کے واقعات اور وفات کا واقعہ درج ہے۔
تمام افراد جو وہاں پر موجود تھے ان سب کی ایک ہی گواہی ہے کہ آپ نے بستر پر اپنی جان جانِ آفریں کے سپرد کی اور آپ کی زبان پر آخری لفظ ’ اللہ ‘ تھا۔ [/RIGHT]
| [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]**The death of his Holiness, on whom be peace** He always had complaints of diarrhea. This disease worsened on his arrival in Lahore, and since there were hordes of people who were ever present to meet with him, he did not have a chance to rest and recuperate. He was in this state when he received this revelation "Arabic: arraheelo summa arraheelo" that is 'the time for departure has arrived, again the time for departure has arrived'. This revelation worried many who were present there, but right then they received news from Qadian of the demise of an affectionate friend, and people thought that this revelation was with regards to this person and thus felt relieved, but when he (The Promised Messiah a.s) was asked, he said that this revelation concerned someone very important to the community, and was not regarding the person who had died. The revelation caused anxiety to mother, who one day suggested that we go back to Qadian, but he replied 'going back to Qadian is not within our means anymore. Only if God takes us could we go.' But despite this revelation and his ailment, he continued to work, and even in this state of bad health he proposed to deliver a lecture to promote peace and harmony between the Hindus and the Muslims, and had even started writing the lecture, and gave it the name "Paigham e Sulah" (The Message of Peace). This worsened his condition and made him weaker and his diarrhea became even worse. One the night preceding the day this lecture was completed he received another revelation persian ] that is, 'do not trust the mortal age'. He told everyone in the house about this revelation right then and said that it was regarding his own self. The lecture finished that day and it was handed out to be printed. At night he passed loose excrements and was gripped with extreme weakness. Mother was woken up. By the time she got up, his condition was extremely weak. Mother worrisomely asked what had happened to him? He replied “same thing that I used to tell you” (that is the ailment of death). He passed another loose excrements and the weakness worsened. He asked for Maulvi Nooruddin sahib (Maulvi Nooruddin, as has been said above, was a reputable physician). Then he asked for Mahmood (the writer of these lines) and Mir sahib (his father in law) to be woken up. My bed was only a little distance from his, and when I woke up I saw him to be in a state of immense ailment. The doctors came and started medication but that didn't improve his state. At last some medication was given via injection after which he went into sleep. When it was morning, he woke up to say his prayers. His throat was so weak that when he tried to speak no words came out. At this he asked for pen but couldn't write either and the pen fell from his hand. After this he lied down and in a little while he was overcome by unconsciousness and around 10:30 in the morning his soul appeared before that True Emperor for the sake of serving Whose religion he had spent his entire life. Innalillah e wa inna ilayhe rajioon (indeed we are from Allah and to Him is our return). All through his ailment, there was one word constantly on his lips, and that word was "Allah". The news of his demise spread throughout Lahore at lightening speed. Members of the community living at different places were telegraphed with this news, and on the same evening or the next morning the newspaper delivered the news of the death of this great person all over India. Whereas the grace with which he had dealt with his adversaries will always be remembered, that happiness cannot be forgotten which was celebrated by his opponents at his death. A mob of Lahorites gathered within half an hour around the house in which his blessed body was present, and showed its narrow-mindedness by singing songs of jubilation. Some had donned weird costumes to show off their wickedness. |
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Since Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad peace be upon him was appointed Promised Messiah by Allah (swt) in Muslim Ummah similar to Jesus son of Mary a.s. was appointed to Ummah of Hadhrat Moses a.s.. This very objection by the opponents of The Promised Messiah on the death of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad peace be upon him is similar to the objection on Jesus son of Mary. The Jews also claim they killed Jesus son of Mary a.s. on the cross and he died a cursed death. (Nauzobillah) This is another sign for the believers!
http://groups.msn.com/AHMADIMUSLIMCIRCLE/deathofpromissedmessiahpeacebeonhim.msnw
The jews also falsely allege that Jesus (as) died an accursed (God forbid) just as the Mullahs and Maulvis falsely allage that Ghulam Ahmad (as) died an accursed death, but Allah knows that they were His chosen servants and that Allah saved them both from being killed and from dying accursed.
To Allah we belong and to Him shall we return.
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I've never heard of this Mirza guy...did he REALLY claim to be a prophet sent forth after Muhammed (saw)??!!
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Salaam and blessings,
phoenix51 should kindly refer to this cite:
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/AhmadiyyatRenaissanceofIslam.pdf
and should go to Chapter 8 which is on page 131 in the Book or page 141 of 370 on the scroll down line. This will give you in the words of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) himself his status claims and purpose, I hope this will satisfy your answer if not then please ask me to post it myself, but I think the link will suffice, JazakAllah, and please read the Ahmadiyya views from the founder of its Worldwide Community himself fiirst, ie Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as), and do not judge him without reading his claims first, for it would be unwise to do so.
Wassalam
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Holy Prophet Mohammed SAAW said:
"In My Ummah, there shall be born Thirty Grand Liars (Dajjals),
each of whom will claim to be a prophet,
But I am the Last Prophet; there is No Prophet after Me."
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