What President Ahmadinejad really said...

Sod the holocaust, here are the most important points the President made, yet the media typically focuses on one small part of it, and ignores the rest. Read what he really said and then tell me what he said was wrong.

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LONDON, December 15 (IranMania) - Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Iran believed polling was the only solution to the Palestinian problem so that the Palestinians would be given a chance to determine their own fate, according to IRNA.

The president who arrived in this southeastern city Wednesday morning further told the local people, “The Iranian nation believes the only solution is that all Palestinians take part in a referendum and announce their viewpoint on their government.”

President Ahmadinejad was elaborated on his remarks made on the sidelines of a recent summit of the Organization of the Islamic Conference in Saudi Arabia which faced a propaganda ballyhoo by western media.

He said, "There I said to come and have a look at Palestine.

Every day people are getting killed, women and children are getting buried under debris, farms are being set ablaze, people who have been living there

for thousands of years are being displaced, people and personalities are targeted with prior notice.

"Now the question is where the people who commit these crimes and are now rulers in Palestine and permit themselves to carry on such crimes, to displace and imprison the local residents of the land have come from. Where are their fathers from? Where had they been for thousands of years?

How is it that they now have the right to self-determination but the nation which has been living in the land for thousands of years, does not have such a right?"

Ahmadinejad said another question he raised there was why the Palestinian nation should pay for the crimes the Europeans have committed.

“If the Europeans are telling the truth in their claim that they have killed six mlnJews in the Holocaust during the World War II - which seems they are right in their claim because they insist on it and arrest and imprison those who oppose it, why the Palestinian nation should pay for the crime. Why have they come to the very heart of the Islamic world and are committing crimes against the dear Palestine using their bombs, rockets, missiles and sanctions.”

Stressing that “the same European countries have imposed the illegally-established Zionist regime on the oppressed nation of Palestine”, he said, "If you have committed the crimes so give a piece of your land somewhere in Europe or America and Canada or Alaska to them to set up their own state there, IRNA added.

“Then the Iranian nation will have no objections, will stage no rallies on the Qods Day and will support your decision.” Ahmadinejad said some have created a myth on holocaust and hold it even higher than the very belief in religion and prophets because when a person expresses disbelief in God, religion and prophets they do not object to him but they will protest to anyone who would reject the Holocaust.

He said those who claim to be advocates of freedom of expression, democracy and human rights take advantage of propaganda means in the face of his vivid and documented reasoning and criticize him and say Iran’s president seems to be incapable of living in a civilized world.

The president further said, “If your civilization consists of aggression, displacing the oppressed nations, suppressing justice-seeking voices and spreading injustice and poverty for the majority of people on the earth, then we say it out loud that we despise your hollow civilization.”

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who cares what he says.. as long as he keeps any Central Bank controlled by the Elites out of the country, manages to establish an IOB which trades in Euros and installs a proxy government in Iraq.. all is good..

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Why is this holocaust an issue to do with us it something that happened in yurope according to history books between nazi germany and its jewish citizens why is it an issue in the muslim world oh yes of course the squatter state of israel was planted in the heart of the muslim world wat else!

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akky, read your history books and you'll learn Jews had been in the land know as Israel for thousands of years. Palestine is right next door in Jordan.

But shift blame towards Israel for all ills in the Muslims world. Jews are the reason why Pakistan has a literacy rate of less than 50% right?

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Yeah yeah jews have been thousands of years in palestine thats why they had to kill and expel all those palestinians yeah we belive you NoT!

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C'mon, let's be honest. We all know the land belonged to the Jews thousands of years before the birth of Islam. Matter of fact, there were Jews in Persia 2500 years ago, way before the people represented by this terrorist laid claim to the land. I say the 100,000 Persian Jews living in Israel be repatriated back to Iran with Mashhad as its capital.

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And which piece of paper says that the land belonged to them?

All based on torah right??
In that case, since every land is the land of God, whole of the world belong to muslims as well!

But I see the europeans / americans don’t see the fallacy of this argument as long as they get to “rid” the jews of their own countries! :rolleyes:

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it's all a matter of how far back you go to prove your point.. I could trace roots and lay claim over the entire North American continent cuz afterall we are all from the same couple that descended from heaven.. one of my ancestors MUST have first settled on this lend sometime ago..

What's actually relevant to this debate is at the time of the establishment of a Jewish state in the midst of the Arabs, the percentage of Jews was negligible.. not even near enough to warrant creation of an entirely new state.. which is why European Jews were IMPORTED and settled there.

So ahmedinejad is right.. Europeans are so guilty of frying 6 million jews, and claim to love them so much, yet kick them oceans away so they don't have to have them in their own neighborhood.. what a great act of sympathy.

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so were Indians in Americas

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Bottom line is Israel (and it's nukes) aren't going anywhere and Ahmadinejad is left claiming he was misunderstood. PR win for Israel another PR loss for Iran.

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I don’t think he is that stupid as PR stunt otherwise, America already has made Iran the strongest and powerful gainer of US misadventures in that region (specifically in Iraq but even in afghanistan, a rather pro-Iran NA exists in power).

What Ahmedinejad really is doing is f*king with american mind (daring them as he knows america can’t do $hit against Iran now and the situation get precurious as much as time passes which is why even bush doesn’t say anything in reply SURPRISE SURPRISE). Though I don’t agree with this comment but his other comment for palestineans paying for european crimes is very much true!

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utd you sound like a second grader here.. so i’ll put it in context.

it’s called diplomacy.. he said what he had to say.. and for a couple of days at that.. it’s like getting slapped in your face by the bully and then his mom calling in to apologize.. bottom line is .. your a$$ got pwned at school and there’s nothing u could do about it.. :hehe:

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The formation of Israel was in the works decades before 1948. Hundreds of thousands immigrated to the area in the first half of the century. By 1947 they represented 1/3 of the area's population, so it is another Muslim myth that there were no Jews in Israel before 1948.

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It’s not America that is threatening sanctions. It’s the EU. Even if the US does not do anything, the EU can. Pray tell, what is going to happen when Israel strikes first? Who’ll be laughing then?

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No matter what spin you give ground realities don’t change its just a matter of time before Iran Like Kim wave its plutonium dildo at terrorist state of israel.

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^
Then I guess it's goodbye for all of us isn't it?

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Not really, when Iran jingle its plutonium balls jews will do what they did in Germany…Its their history all along.

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Hey mo-man!

What’s this fascination with Iran and fake version of male genitalia? Seems like someone is lacking adequate size and hence the reliance on dildos. Is that the new fashion in the Maulana Hojras these days? I guess Maulanas want some change too!

Talking about nukes from Iran means nothing. Oh Baboo! Ruskies had more lethal nukes than any pipsqueak from Asia or Africa. Look these days how Putin is being Lutin by the world bank, Eastern Europe part of NATO, and good ole Soviet have disappeared.

Nukes are jut for show, a rather $tupid distraction. The real power comes form trade alliances and technical development. Iranian Maulanas are like “Dolay Shah thai Choohay” (The rats of Pir Dolay Shah) with Nuki bowl hanging around the neck. You don’t win world competition by aping the famous choohas (rats).

Best regards

p.s. Mods this is nothing against our mo-da-man’s use of terms like dildos and balls. As they say in the famous Punjabi song “Succhi Aakhan tai mairi gul kori lugdi” (Truth hurts).

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Hey aunty bulbul plutonium/uranium dildos & balls have done wonders for terrorist don’t you want to see the real living examples? No… here is a clue for you, do a little home work and see if you can figure out…Do you think terrorist will kill 4 million poor souls again? or cross the border to liberate them?

Stop foaming at mouth and go help your poor amreekan masters to librate the opressed like your amreekan masters did twice in the past… Then you will see dildos & balls in action first hand…

P.S: I am refering to a place where your amreekan baap was raped twice this time it will be plutonium/uranium dildo & balls doing the bidding.. Hope your p brain is big enough to comprehend history and learn some lessons from it.

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Now back tot he subject at hand. Iran’s Minister of the Interior claims that Boneheads remarks are “misunderstood”.

On Friday Iran’s interior minister said widely condemned remarks by the Iranian president on Israel and the Holocaust had been “misunderstood” by Western governments.

“Actually the case has been misunderstood,” Mostafa Pur Mohammadi told The Associated Press, on the sidelines of an Athens conference on immigration. “He wanted to say that if certain people have created troubles for the Jewish community they should bear the expenses, and it is not others who should pay for that,” he said.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/658450.html

Well, It turns out that Mostafa the Interior Minister is a virtual authority in crimes against humanity. It turns out that President Bonehead, the hick running Iran (who has never travelled outside of Iran), has chosen quite the qualified cabinet to be speaking about atrocities:

Iran: Top Ministers Implicated in Serious Abuses

(New York, December 15, 2005) – Iran’s new Minister of Interior is implicated in grave human rights violations over the past two decades, possibly including crimes against humanity in connection with the massacre of thousands of political prisoners, Human Rights Watch said in a briefing paper released today.

Human Rights Watch also said that the new Minister of Information should be investigated for his possible involvement in a dissident’s killing.

The briefing paper, Ministers of Murder: Iran’s New Security Cabinet, details credible allegations that Minister of Interior Mustafa Pour-Mohammadi and Minister of Information Gholamhussein Mohseni Ezhei were involved in extremely serious and systematic human rights violations over the past two decades.

“It’s completely unacceptable that men with such records would be serving in Iran’s government,” said Joe Stork deputy Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “They should be removed from their posts and investigated for these terrible crimes.”

Iran’s cabinet is now dominated by former security and intelligence officials, Human Rights Watch said, raising fears that President Ahmadinejad’s government will readily resort to violence to suppress dissidents and punish critics.

During Pour-Mohammadi’s tenure as top deputy of the Ministry of Information from 1987 to 1999, agents of the ministry systematically engaged in extrajudicial killings of opposition figures, political activists, and intellectuals.

In 1988, the Iranian government executed thousands of political prisoners held inside Iranian jails. The deliberate and systematic manner in which these extrajudicial executions took place may constitute a crime against humanity under international law, Human Rights Watch said. Mustafa Pour-Mohammadi was a member of the three-person committee that ordered prisoners held in Tehran’s notorious Evin prison to their summary executions.

From 1990 to 1999, Pour-Mohammadi was director of foreign intelligence operations in the Ministry of Information. During this period, dozens of opposition figures were assassinated abroad. In some of these cases the hand of the Iranian government has been well established, while in others there are credible allegations of government involvement. Pour-Mohammadi is at the center of strong allegations of direct involvement in orchestrating these assassinations.

In 1998, agents of the Ministry of Information killed five prominent activist intellectuals in Tehran. An Iranian source with first-hand knowledge of the investigation told Human Rights Watch that Pour-Mohammadi was implicated by investigators in those killings and even that an arrest warrant was about to be issued for him. “But instead it was arranged that he leave his post in the Ministry of Information,” this source said.

Gholamhussein Mohseni Ezhei, the new Minister of Information, served as prosecutor general of the Special Court for the Clergy and in this position spearheaded the prosecution of prominent reformist clerics. He has also been a key figure in suppressing press freedoms, resulting in the closure of more than 100 newspapers since 2000. Several journalists and activists have alleged that Mohseni Ezhei ordered the kidnap and killing of Pirouz Davani, a dissident and political activist, in 1998.

Human Rights Watch called on President Ahmadinejad to relieve Pour-Mohammadi and Mohseni Ezhei of their duties immediately and to establish an independent mechanism to conduct a thorough and impartial investigation into their alleged crimes.

If President Ahmadinejad fails to remove Pour-Mohammadi and Mohseni Ezhei from his cabinet, the Parliament should call for a vote of no-confidence and initiate its own independent investigation, Human Rights Watch said.

“It’s downright dangerous to have men like this in charge of key ministries,” said Stork. “The international community must make clear that it holds the government of President Ahmadinejad responsible for the safety of Iranian political activists and dissidents.”
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/12/15/iran12245_txt.htm

Just what we need, the Minsters of Murder and President Bonehead with a nuke, attempting to rewrite history, and picking a fight with Israel… Lajawobs heros…