i would like to ask pakistanis how is pakistan benifiting by being an faithful usa aly?
pakistan got bullied by usa to withdraw from kargil heights
had to crack down on kashmiri mujahideen under usa pressure.
so whats all this honest chamcha giri getting pakistan?
I personally dont think President Musharaf had another option. If he didnt ally with americans after 9/11, i would personally think, then american's would use indian's soil to attack on pakistan.
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I personally dont think President Musharaf had another option. If he didnt ally with americans after 9/11, i would personally think, then american's would use indian's soil to attack on pakistan.
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You're right!
Infact, siding with America, resulted in up lifting of economic sanctions. Pakistan, now, has the acess to the US, EU market. Investment has been growing in Pakistan, slightly and it has to go more.
Furthermore, after 9-11 Pakistan became more hardline on Extremists. Infact, the Govt had already started cleaning up Extremists almost a month before 9-11 on August 14, 2001.
Re: what pak is getting for being an american ally
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Can you response to this?
http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72034
Spot on B-K...
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Yes boston its disgusting that in secular pakistan where the laws of secularism is applied that this kind of behaviour can happen.
If your saying in islam they say rape children then you are misinformed.
You should not blame islam for the behaviour of one pervert especially since islam is not even applied as a system of government.
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Spot on B-K...
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Spot on PT :)
President Musharraf did the only correct thing by supporting the war against terrorism..it has already gnawed at the roots of Pakistan for all these years..look at the back issues of pakistani papers to see how many have been killed in the name of religion/sect/and all else…this is a chance for the Government to cleanse its own society of the menace.The people of Pakistan deserve to live and breathe and get education/health and other services instead of being bullied by extremists and giving ghunda tax..I speak from knowing it is true..so it is not a statement off my dorky head..
Well whatever facile point you are trying to make Kabir the fact is that Pakistan did not end up as being irrelevant to the world as the Indian bhookas were dreaming. Chamcha geeri or no chamcha geeri, Pakistan is much better off due to its present policy and your hopping up and down will not change that. Time to forage again bhookas.
A Look at the frustrated (and maybe jealous) Indian leadership
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Yes boston its disgusting that in secular pakistan where the laws of secularism is applied that this kind of behaviour can happen.
If your saying in islam they say rape children then you are misinformed.
You should not blame islam for the behaviour of one pervert especially since islam is not even applied as a system of government.
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Same goes for the actions of one particular American...
And asif_k, thank you for your clarification
Pakistan will get a big Thudda for all it is doing…
Anyways here is another gift Pak is going to get for providing assistance to US : -
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28999
and the relevant portion in the item is :
Now, in a stunning reversal, the administration – led by Attorney General John Ashcroft – fears Pakistan may be sending terrorists here, and has subjected it to the same immigration restrictions imposed on the five known Middle Eastern terrorist-sponsoring countries, which are Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Libya and Syria.
Beginning Oct. 1, immigration inspectors will be required to fingerprint, photograph and track Pakistani nationals who enter the U.S. on visas, according to the internal Justice memo. Young Pakistani males will be matched against federal terrorism and criminal databases.
The items also contain the following para: -
The Bush administration shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks forged an alliance with Pakistan in the war on terrorism, even though it has long been a hotbed of terrorist activity and a base for al-Qaida operatives
Hmmm… .this Paul Sperry guy must be Indian.
Pakistan is going to get weapons inspectors in return. At least this link says so:
http://www.weeklyindependent.com/front%20Story.htm
The US has presented another set of demands to the military regime, urging it to take clear and meaningful steps in non-proliferation – refraining from further nuclear tests and deployment of ballistic missiles, allowing the United Nations (UN) to inspect Pakistan’s nuclear installations and the signing of Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT).
Have you seen any of the other articles on this site? I wouldnt call the worldnetdaily a respected international newsite. More like a right-wing christian-fundamentalist site especially with articles like this one http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29006
Also a search on CNN, BBC or any other respected news site fails to turn up a similar story.
Hello Ramo, do you believe in International herald tribune. Here is one from them explaining how US is helping you to enter uncertainities and chaos.
http://www.iht.com/articles/71436.html
WASHINGTON The recent capture of the Qaeda leader Ramzi Binalshibh in a shoot-out in Karachi has dramatized the critical choices that face the United States in dealing with Pakistan’s military ruler, General Pervez Musharraf.
As evidence mounts that Pakistan is now the global hub of Qaeda operations (and this is India’s stand too, which all of you pakis were denying all along), Musharraf is raising his price for cooperation with Washington, demanding large-scale military aid, including F-16 fighter jets, on top of the bonanza of economic aid already showered on Islamabad since Sept. 11.
Equally important, he made clear during his U.S. visit last week that he plans to perpetuate his military regime indefinitely and expects Washington to look the other way when he rigs the Pakistani elections next month.
At best, Pakistan is likely to be engulfed in growing instability in the months ahead that will make it easier for Islamic extremists to operate. In the worst-case scenario, Musharraf’s fellow generals will decide that he is more of a liability that an asset, opening the way for a series of military coups in which a hard-line Islamic extremist sympathizer such as General Mohammed Aziz, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, could well come out on top.
It is not new for Pakistan to be ruled by a U.S.-supported military regime. But there is a basic difference between Musharraf and the three military autocrats who preceded him - a difference that explains why his position is shakier than past military regimes and why it is so risky for the United States to give him unconditional support.
Although Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan and Zia Ul-Haq were also generals who distrusted politicians, they recognized that the armed forces alone could not govern Pakistan. All of them shared power with the entrenched civil service that was bequeathed by the British Raj. It is the civil service that has given Pakistan cohesive and efficient administration despite periodic political turmoil. By contrast, Musharraf has elbowed aside the bureaucracy, installing 76 generals and 600 brigadiers and colonels in a variety of key civil service posts.
Significantly, military officers are now running most of the powerful government agencies that oversee the Pakistani economy. Among the dozens of such agencies under military control are the Karachi Port Authority, the National Shipping Corporation, the National Fertilizer Corporation, the Pakistani Steel Corporation, the Oil and Gas Development Corporation and the Minerals Development Corporation. Six university vice-chancellors are also military officers.
This grab for economic power is linked in the public mind with the fact that the armed forces run a sprawling industrial, commercial and real estate empire with assets and investments totaling at least $5 billion.
Yes i do believe the IHT, but there are still some problems with that article id like to point out
**As evidence mounts that Pakistan is now the global hub of Qaeda operations ** - the last week has seen arrests of al-qaeda suspects from all aroud the world, US, Yemen, Italy and Pakistan. Al-qaeda isnt concentrated in any one country its spread everywhere. Having said that, the fact that large numbers have been arrested in pakistan goes to show that at least something is being done about it. Of course thats only because of American technological assistence, but hey, doesnt matter how they’re caught - they’re still arrested right?
It is not new for Pakistan to be ruled by a U.S.-supported military regime - thats making it sound like the US backed Musharaf from the time he came to power, which if you recall is totally wrong. If it werent for 9/11 than Musharaf wouldnt be US supported but odds are he’d still be in power
**It is the civil service that has given Pakistan cohesive and efficient administration despite periodic political turmoil. By contrast, Musharraf has elbowed aside the bureaucracy, installing 76 generals and 600 brigadiers and colonels in a variety of key civil service posts. ** - what a load of bull. the civil service in pakistan is anything but effecient. You ask most people and they’ll tell you its the military which is the most effecient. If you want proof take a look at PIA.
You also left out the part of that article which tells you where the author is coming from :
The Bush administration should limit military cooperation with Pakistan to supplying spare parts for military equipment already supplied. New military hardware for Islamabad would not only add to the danger of a new war between India and Pakistan but would also embitter relations between India and the United States once again as it did throughout the cold war. - That tells you that harrison sees US-Indian relations as far more important that relations with Pakistan. I’m not saying theres anything wrong with that but i wouldnt expect him to have anything good to say on Pakistan if that is his point of view.
Also the extent of his pro-India bias is shown in another of his articles :
Stop Building Up Pakistani Military Capacities Against India
In this article he writes things like the following:
Nearly $50 million worth of military spare parts and components has been transferred since Sept. 11, and history shows that this will be used to bolster Pakistan’s military posture toward India, not to fight terrorism. - he conveniently fails to point out the huge military purchases India is making in the meantime :
SU-30MKI
Scorpene Subs
T-90 tanks
New cruise missiles
New Trainers
New LCA
Arrow anti-missile SAMs
Phalcon AWACs system
The list goes on and on and yet non of this is mentioned in his article despite these purchases being worth billions of dollars. Id hardly call Selig S Harrison balanced and impartial.
Or u can read this from Asia Times:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/DI11Df02.html
Mehmood was accompanied by two brigadier generals, one of whom was responsible for the ISI’s Afghan desk. While in Kandahar, the chief of the Afghan desk met Abul Hafs, an Arab and an al-Qaeda man, to discuss strategy in the apparently inevitable battle to follow. Instead of defending Afghanistan, Hafs told the brigadier, **the plan was to entrap the US, drain its resouces in a mountain guerrilla war, and wait for an eventual collapse. ** …
Short term, **it was decided that Pakistan would install several military men in Afghanistan to aid the Taliban in strategies of war against the Americans, while in return, the military al-Qaeda strategist Abu Zubaida, who had experience of guerrilla war with Hezbollah, would be installed in Pakistan. After Zubaida’s arrest in March, this assignment was given to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who is still at large and believed to be in Karachi. **…
**Pakistan would also serve, authorities are learning, as the new center for the development of chemical and nuclear weapons. **
Ramo, I suggest you have a look at the US intelligence link dhir provided... That link said that the US was ready to bomb Pakistan out of existence and upon further study, the link turned out to be an Indian site, disguised to be an American one...