What Our Society Does Wrong

[Bidd3h]

Looking past a few of the Lifestyle threads, specifically Naughty by Nature’s older threads, I see alot of pessimissim in regards to the habits of desi people.

For example, im running into quotes by women who say “finding a virgin guy is practically impossible, so why try?” and “you dont know how many girls are not virgin these days” and also “girls back home are just as bad, and western girls are actually better then them”.

This type of attitude is neither scientifically (precision) accurate nor true. The pessimissim is, in my opinion atleast, unfounded and useless. Alot of our men and women are not behaving in such a manner, rather they in larger numbers behave according to Islamic Tradition and exegsis.

The thing is the ones who do no wrong tend to be overlooked by the minority who make headlines. Just like it is easy to be fooled into thinking all white people are sex addicts by watching MTV, it is just as easy for a white guy to think Indians sing and dance to atleast one song once a week by viewing Bollywood movies.

These stories about some “larka/larki in the neighborhood” swapping their wives or being participant in an orgy are minor stories that we inflate and expand to an “End of the World” scenario.

Truly, such sexual deviancy has always been going on and will always be going on as this is not Jannah (heaven). Even the Prophet (SAW) in his own time, among his own Sahaba had men and women come to him and declare their adultery. Ali (RAA) had to mete out punishment for men involved in Homosexuality.

Meaning, if in such austere times punishment was being carried out for such sins, what about our times? It just frustrates the hell out of me when people make such scenarios like “wife swapping is all the rage in Pakistan” or “she tells her parents shes going out with Saadia, but shes getting in bed with Shaan”.

What about the good people? Arent we the greater portion of society? If anything, atleast 80% are good.

[Mrs_Saieen]

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So what's your point? that even if a few ppl in pak do bad things , that still makes them better htan abcds/westerners?

[Bidd3h]

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NO, im saying a few people do bad, but we as humans tend to inflate it to improportional figures.

Not everyone is f*cking and sucking, so to speak. You heard a story that your neighbor told you and now you feel its everywhere.

There is no mention of us versus them, rather the human's inability to gauge events in proper and "highest to lowest" order.

Also, im decrying the idea that we are some how degenerate when its only less then 20%.

[Cheegum]

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@Bidd3h

What about the good people? Arent we the greater portion of society? If anything, atleast 80% are good.

Define "good" people. And whatever definition you use of "good", how can you be so sure that we, myself and yourself atleast, fall under any definition of "good".

[Mrs_Saieen]

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Alright, as long as it’s not a “ABCD” vs “FOB” debate

[Bidd3h]

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Define "good" people. And whatever definition you use of "good", how can you be so sure that we, myself and yourself atleast, fall under any definition of "good".

When I say good, i mean we arent the perverted monkeys that people believe we are. Most of us are normal and good people.

[tweety_pie]

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@Bidd3h

Looking past a few of the Lifestyle threads, specifically Naughty by Nature’s older threads, I see alot of pessimissim in regards to the habits of desi people.

For example, im running into quotes by women who say “finding a virgin guy is practically impossible, so why try?” and “you dont know how many girls are not virgin these days” and also “girls back home are just as bad, and western girls are actually better then them”.

This type of attitude is neither scientifically (precision) accurate nor true. The pessimissim is, in my opinion atleast, unfounded and useless. Alot of our men and women are not behaving in such a manner, rather they in larger numbers behave according to Islamic Tradition and exegsis.

The thing is the ones who do no wrong tend to be overlooked by the minority who make headlines. Just like it is easy to be fooled into thinking all white people are sex addicts by watching MTV, it is just as easy for a white guy to think Indians sing and dance to atleast one song once a week by viewing Bollywood movies.

These stories about some “larka/larki in the neighborhood” swapping their wives or being participant in an orgy are minor stories that we inflate and expand to an “End of the World” scenario.

Truly, such sexual deviancy has always been going on and will always be going on as this is not Jannah (heaven). Even the Prophet (SAW) in his own time, among his own Sahaba had men and women come to him and declare their adultery. Ali (RAA) had to mete out punishment for men involved in Homosexuality.

Meaning, if in such austere times punishment was being carried out for such sins, what about our times? It just frustrates the hell out of me when people make such scenarios like “wife swapping is all the rage in Pakistan” or “she tells her parents shes going out with Saadia, but shes getting in bed with Shaan”.

What about the good people? Arent we the greater portion of society? If anything, atleast 80% are good.

I do agree with u that we can be really pessimistic, and tend to think that whole wide world is wrong and is sinning. However we cannot go to the extent of beliveing that AT LEAST 80% are good, this is being very naive on our part. Aj kaal there is alot of stuff goingon which is totally wromg and haraam. Whether we like to accept it or not, the amount of desi guys that are non virgin is increasing at a rapid rate, we are just responding to the arising problems i our society and the remarkable rate at which things like this are becoming more heard of

[Bidd3h]

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I dont know, do you live in Whore-istan? Because sitting here in USA, my community isnt that bad. I must be one of the worst among muslim guys here, and thats not saying much at all.

Where do you guys live exactly? And how can you gauge your community is so terrible? 20% is a nice portion of a community.

Here is a question, which one sounds more reasonible to your ears?
(1) 20%-25% of the guys in my community are sleeping around.
(2) 75%-80% of the guys in my community go about their everyday business not doing major sins.

[Man_with_a_Plan]

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Even if someone sleeps around with different women, gambles and drinks, is that not his personal decision and life? Is everyone not entitiled to have some privacy?
When does it become our business?

p.s: I am just asking a general question, it is not related to Life1.

[yourfriend]

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^ it does become your business when this person is (or will become) related to you. since you live in a Society, this person's decisions/activities are (or will be) affecting you, how can you let that happen?