What ODIs need is a 2-innings format !!

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I have always maintained that the current ODI format makes an ass of so-called cricket analysts and experts. Unless there is a big quality difference between the 2 opposing sides, any team can win on a given day . And of course there is lot of scope for flukes as we have been seeing in this WC.

With reference to the above, I feel that instead of ICC embracing the Twenty20 format (which will further make the game seem more like gambling), I recommend that the ODIs be made into 2 innings of 25 overs each.

That way all players get 2 chances to prove themselves…and there will be less chances of a team winning due to a solitary stroke of good luck.

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*Interesting idea. So you are proposing limited over test matches basically? This would take even longer to finish than the ODI's we have currently, however, and will have the same negative effects on the sport what the 20/20 offers, i.e., death of the bowlers, batsmen with horrible techniques, etc. *

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Some1 please lay off that ganga

this is what sports is all about
this is what makes it exciting to watch
its whoever plays better on that given day
but thanks for the expert analysis

we have test cricket for batsmen for a 2 innings game
why do you want to ruin a beautiful sport right from its roots

i feel this format you presented is actually worse than 20/20 cricket, as batsmen batting 2nd time know the pitch, know the bowlers, so there is no surprise and then how will a batsmens class be shown?

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As regards 'death of the bowlers' and 'batsmen with horrible technique', a 2-innings ODI will certainly be better than the Twenty20 which is where the future of cricket seems headed.

That said, I have not given enough thought on the low-level rules etc. But I am sure that there is a lot of scope to adjust them in ways that the bowlers have substantial role to play and tullaybaazi is discouraged. I think Baseball would be a good rerefence in this regard.

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You are probably thinking that I created this thread in the context of today's SA-BD match or India-BD match earlier.

But I have had this opinion for a very long time. For example, the current ODI format is heavily biased in favour of teams stocked with utility players(half-decent all-rounders) who may not be the best either in batting or bowling. There is not much incentive for solid technique in batting or aggression in bowling.

And as for :

this is what sports is all about
this is what makes it exciting to watch

If by "this" you mean it is exciting to watch a non-Test playing team like Kenya in the WORLD CUP semi-final (as in last WC) , then you are probably right.

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Oh, Lord. The amount of cricket being played these days with ICC milking every human body in carnivorous ways possible, it is next to impossible to even give them such a decent-sized thought. In recent times, they, the big guns, have gone on from 'promoting' cricket, to being the kings and queens of all things, materialistics. The health of the game is the last thing under their consideration. The ban on all cricket videos on You Tube marks a black day in the history of ICC, and the game itself. The money involved in these games is so enticing and attractive that some people have gone blind in their goose chase.

As much as this idea will kill the weeds and dandelions, it does little to help change the minds of ICC. Think of all the times when half the stadium would leave in the middle of a work-day when Afridi or Dhoni would walk back to the pavilion after their brief stay in the middle. Do we really want the crowd to return in another four short hours? There is already a shortage of quality time spent amongst the couples of today. This will just be a nail in the coffins of all marriages. Divorce rates would fly sky-high and it will be the end of civilization as we know it.

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^Dhobi bhai from expert of cricket to managing family relations.

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no i dont mean that, my post was referring to what it quoted, which read...

"Unless there is a big quality difference between the 2 opposing sides, any team can win on a given day ."

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^ Yes, that is exactly what I said..

Probably I am not doing a good job explaining. What I meant is that given the current ODI format, it is often possible for a clearly inferior team (on present form) to WIN. I am only referring to ODIs between the test playing nations.

I like the best of 3 finals that they have in Australia in the One day Series. Even in baseball (World Series !!) they have a best of 7 finals.

May be that will take away some of the excitement , but it is a more logical thing to do.

Look at BD for example....they got thrashed by SL, NZ and Australia....the BD supporters started venting their ire against the team...burning effigy of Bashar etc...contrast this to what happened yesterday...there is news of all-night party in BD...the president has congratulated the team etc. How does it become possible for a team to make this massive transformation in the space of 3 days ? Think about it.

There is no doubt that BD were the better team yesterday. All I am saying is that something needs to be done to the current format of the ODIs that makes a team appear like HERO today and ZERO tomorrow.

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"Unless there is a big quality difference between the 2 opposing sides, any team can win on a given day ."

"^ Yes, that is exactly what I said..
Probably I am not doing a good job explaining. What I meant is that given the current ODI format, it is often possible for a clearly inferior team (on present form) to WIN. I am only referring to ODIs between the test playing nations."

-first of all these are two contradictory statements
-and it is not often that Bangladesh or an Ireland wins, upsets happen in all sports

on the other part of your post, i agree with you on the best of 3 finals
that would make sense

but wouldn't change how the super8s are run, its your fault if you lost to Bangladesh, look at australia, they play with the same intensity against all teams, they play with professionalism every game..if you dont want to put in ur best effort in the biggest tournament then maybe you should not be here

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It is not contradictory at all. May be I opened this thread at the wrong time...because you seem to be relating everything what I have been saying with BD's performance yesterday.

For starters, I am not talking about UPSETS and FLUKES. Yes, you are right...UPSETS happen in sports all the time. That is not the point I am making.

I am talking about matches between established teams (including BD , if you will).
I don't know how else to explain this. But I will try once again - Take out Australia from the top and the minnows from the bottom. Between the remaining teams , it does not seem to matter which team is SUPERIOR or INFERIOR on present form, any team can WIN an ODI match on a given day.....because of the huge dose of luck involved in ODIs. Sometimes the minnows also make use of this "huge luck" factor but that is not specifically the point I am making.

In most other team sports...all players are involved in the game all the time. For example in Soccer, if Ronaldo misses a goal, he is not taken out of the game. He is still there on the field to try and make amends in the remaining time. However, if Inzi or Tendu or Kallis are undone by a singular moment of laxity...there day in the office ends right there. And ofcourse, there are other factors - poor umpiring decision, pitch conditions, toss etc.
At least in TEST MATCHES, teams get two chances to prove themselves...I am advocating a similar format in ODIs. It may not be perfect but it will be better than the current format.

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i understand your concerns but i dont think your format helps anything
and cricket is its own sport, you cant compare football to it, this might be a bad ex, but u make a mistake in figure skating and ur done too

ur format becomes more like fast paced test cricket but even test cricket has all those problems like toss factor, poor umpiring decisions, pitch conditions (ex 1st innings, the ball might be swinging a lot, then ease up later, which gives huge advantage or a pitch cracking up during the 4th innings etc)

i think we need a standardized pitch, maybe something artificial, that stays the same from beginning to end and we could develop it to be sometimes like an indian pitch or a australian pitch so we still but still the same pitch throughout the game

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I think some1 makes a valid point here. With the present format if you get bowled out cheaply batting first (I mean for less than 200), the match is as good as over. I am not sure what the answer is though. Maybe splitting the innings into two halves of 30 and 20.

Another option is to allow one batsman (per team) two innings (which will go down in his record as two separate innings). Each team to nominate their best batsman after the toss.That way your best batsman will be able to make amends for a freakish early dismissal. The likes of Tendu and Inzi are unlikely to make the same mistake twice on a given day. This will also make for exciting cricket as it will allow your best batsman the luxury to go for his shots from the word go without worrying too much about getting out.

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^ You got it.

ODIs are like Bollywood's so-called "item movies/songs" which make no sense to a discerning person but are hugely popular among the masses.

Australia whipped England 5-0 in the recent Ashes Test series but lost to England in the ODI series that followed. Does that mean England suddenly became a better side than Australia within weeks. Even considering that some of the Australia players did not play in the ODI series, the answer would be a resounding NO.

See...I am not saying that the 2-innings format is the PERFECT solution.
But I think it will be better than the current format. It is no wonder that many serious Cricket fans are beginning to like Test Matches more than ODIs.

People resist changes...but I think the ODI format needs to change radically...and Twenty20 is certainly not the way to go. As I said before, the powers-that-be should look to Baseball for inspiration in this regard. ODIs does not have to be 9 innings deal (as baseball) but it does not have be a "sudden-death" game (as current) either.

The Cute
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I second that. I think its a great idea, and worthy of consideration. It could be 20 over/2 inning format, 25 over/2 inning, or even 25 overs in first and 20 in the second. Many people who have played on the streets have tried this format when they wanted to simulate a 2 inning test match.

Pyaaz Kaat Ke.....
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Some1 instead of this you should ask ICC to give Sehwag and Tendu two innings in eah match.

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I can’t belive you guys are actually discussing about it :cb:

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Whats up with the larkiyon waali => :cb:
Laugh like a man => :hehe:

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I actually like some1's idea.For 2 reasons..first one is the one mentioned by Some1 but other one is about guessing game that team batting first has to get into.

Cricket is so dependent on pitch conditions that all the time team batting first is guessing what is the best total on this wicket. If wicket is of 220-230 and you played to agressive then chances are that you will end up making 180. And it goes other way round.

Even experts have no clue at all. Why do you think that at the end of first inning expert dont foget to mention " This team I think was short by 20-30 run". They do it because they have no fcuking clue and they are trying to save their ass.

This approach will give them both team to make strategies and execute it.
But I dont think batsmen need to bat twice. It can just be extension of first inning. Like a temperory halt in your inning and. You resume 2nd inning where you stopped in 1st inning.

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is this better :smiley:

or is this better:shoaby:

P.S: didnt know you categorized smiley’s too