What kind of absolutely lame and retarded rule is this?

My mom went to the passport office to get her passport renewed today coz now the old passports are going out of circulation soon.

Well, my mom’s family came to Pakistan from Bangladesh in 1974. The only reason people migrated from Bangladesh to Pakistan was b/c they were not Bengalis by race (My mom’s family is Arab and Pashtoon by descent) and did not consider Bangladesh their homeland, but preferred to be in Pakistan which is the homeland for Muslims in the subcontinent.

Anyways, so as usual, sarkaari daftar, mom spent the whole day in the office waiting for her turn. At the end of the day, right when all the paperwork was done and data entered into the system, the guy at the last counter refused to issue the passport citing a new “rule” that has been formed.

Apparently, since mummy came to Pakistan in 1974, which was AFTER the fall of Dhaka/Bangladesh (1971), she will not be considered Pakistani and so cannot be issued the passport.

My mom was like huh I have had two Pakistani passports in the past, hold a Pakistani national ID card and a Sindh domicile! He was like unless you give us some “repatriation papers” (showing repatriation from Bangladesh to Pakistan) OR show some documents that prove that you came to the current Pakistan before 1971 we cannot issue you the passport. He gave my mom her papers and her old passports back.

Khayr, now what options does my mom have? Coz she needs a passport since she has to travel this summer. Getting the repatriation papers is not possible, there are no documents that were issued at all at that time when people migrated. She also doesn’t have any documents to prove that she was in the current Pakistan before 1971, obviously, coz she was not! Well, she WAS in Pakistan but that part of Pakistan is no more Pakistan, its called Bangladesh now. She can produce some fake papers to show her presence in Pakistan before 1971 or else not get a passport!

Anyways, there are all these “agents” who for a certain amount of money get everything taken care of and will get your passport made for you, so now we are going to contact one of those :rolleyes: What other option do we have?

This seems to be simply a way to trouble people and extort money out of them.
I can understand if they want to enforce this rule to prevent illegal immigrants from getting passports but my mom already holds a Pakistani passport and a national ID card so I don’t see the point of the objection here :confused:

p.s. There was no clause in the form which asked for any such information though so I am thinking maybe the guy put this obstacle just to extort some bribe? This COULD also be a possibility?

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Sounds like a bribe attempt - there hasn't neen anything in the news about a new rule.

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I thought Pakistan (including east pak) was founded based on 2-nations theory.

Where did this race thing come from?

This might explain y her passport was not issued :wink:

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don't worry they are trying to take bribe from u...are u karachi - i have had an interesting passport office experience there once to get because my passport was lost in pakistan...It is the most corrupt department..my previous passport was issued in Los Angeles, sothey sent the inquiry adn it didnot come for 4 months...Result was I was stranded in pakistan...maine saddar ki passport office ke bahut chakkar lagaye hain. The problem was that i didnot want to use the sources or bribe...Butat the end I decided to do it the pakistani way---I had a source in the national bank of pakistan passport office branch - by paying 3,000 Rs- I got a new passport in 1 day...oh and plus i had to give 50Rs to the person who made the passport (Passport writer).
My suggesstion is...
1)..Find a good agent and bribe your way through
2) Many people told me that the best way to get the passport done is to approach one of the chaprasis who works specifically in the section of passport officer...and make a deal with him. Pakistan main passport officer directly rishwat nahin leta..its done through channels and then he gets in percentage of the rishwat
3) use a good source if u have one

I know it is not a good advice but it is pakistan....hope that helps :)

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Irem, just ask her to enjoy the status of being the only illegal alien in pakistan!:D

And when she wants to travel, pay 500 rupees to some peon they will deliver the pport!

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Irem,
I think this indeed has been some new ammendment to the passprt issue laws under the Nadra-NSRC but its not clear what it is...and sure i sbeing abused to the fullest by officials. lately ive been hearing of a lot of Bangladeshi illegal workers in khi who had their old passports and even new ID cards and irony of ironies, the Alien Registration Cards too! but suddenly inspite of all this on expiry of old passports they are refused new ones...in pakistan nothing is impossible and bending the rules for bribes is what govt officials in such depts are best in...your mom is not a bengali by ethnicity and is a West Pakistani, i'm sure the rule will be sorted out in time to set the confusions right and make it clear who it applies for...until then, its the way it has been since the begining i guess...part with a few grand and rest peacefully....

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wow, all ppl here, praising Jinnah, 2 nations theory, islam and pakistan, r asking Irem and her mom to pay bribe.

So y blame politicians or even Jinnah? maybe we all r responsible for the sorry state of affairs oin pakistan.

All corrupt yet patriot pakistanis. An oxymoron?? not a bit.

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Actually Irem, it seems like quite a fair call by the office.

Why did your mother wait 3 years before moving to Pakistan?

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ok guys, i guess that guy was just bluffing, mom went to the office again and got her passport :D

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Good for your mom:)
Im curious though... If you dont mind me asking
How did your mom get back? Why didnt she leave sooner?

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PakPatriot - i am not sure, i can ask her tho :)

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Irem, say our salam to her too

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true lostsoul…
this is how practical life is in 3rd world countries…even those who want to change things or disown the ills are forced one way or the other to follow the norms and be like all else…a 67 year old (pakistani or indian) middle class employee who remains straight throughout his career and upon retiring had just enough money to get him a small apartment while his colleagues from the past who took to the ‘beneficial’ routes live in huge houses, needs to get the ownership transfer papers etc registered and approved by the local authorities and the officials erect every possible barrier in his path to get this simple work done…he is tired and wants a home, has little money, little influence and contacts and least of all energy or stamina to hunt and/or scavenge at these offices around officials…what routes has he to chose from…?

its a sickening dilemma and happens every day…is there soemthign we can do about it? there must be…there has to be…we should do somehting about this…any ideas…guys…?

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No Harris, it is not about being poor…it is about our committment to ideals

A homeless guy in Texas is suing federal govt over 10 comamndments issues

http://www.constitutioncenter.org/education/TeachingwithCurrentEvents/ConstitutionNewswire/13605.shtml

I wonder what drives this guy?

Do you?

Not all of us have to retire in 500K USD homes, not all to have cars and drivers at home. Nations do not progress with this group greed.